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Prohormone question

Glockguy706

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If you are on test cyp for trt will trest andro 1 4 or what ever work for you? I know I am shut down even with hcg.will adding somthing like that boost levels at all? I want a boost between bloods and I am pretty much against orals dmz msten ext due to possible liver damage . You cant fix your liver once you trash it. Not knocking anyone on orals more power to you. Just not worth the risk to me even with a good on cycle support I can always build muscle a little harder to get a liver .
 
Trest and andros are on way opposite ends of the spectrum. You need to do some research around here or google. Also the liver is the only internal organ that will heal itself. Can you kill it? Yes. Will a well executed cycle of DMZ or Msten cause irreparable damage? Extremely unlikely.
 
Like above, I don't think you understand what these products will do for you. I think research is needed. Can you run cycles without doing damage yes. Many have and many more will. Try adding some support and proper PCT, this will make a huge difference.
 
trest is 10x more powerful than your test replacement. if you were to take it yes, you would feel an extreme boost in all things associated with exogenous hormone use. 1 and 4 andro's while likely the most potent of the current lot of PH's will certainly have an additive effect and 1 andro may even help you add some strength and size. Not sure you would want to take those as anything your liver has to process will effect its values in a blood test. even the human studies on 1 anrdo support this claim. have you thought about doubling the dose of test you are currently taking? getting your doses into the 500+ range will totally change how you feel and the level of ability in and out of the gym. its fairly safe, but just so you know, even that current dose has to go through your liver ultimately.
 
Glockguy706 said:
If you are on test cyp for trt will trest andro 1 4 or what ever work for you? I know I am shut down even with hcg.will adding somthing like that boost levels at all? I want a boost between bloods and I am pretty much against orals dmz msten ext due to possible liver damage . You cant fix your liver once you trash it. Not knocking anyone on orals more power to you. Just not worth the risk to me even with a good on cycle support I can always build muscle a little harder to get a liver .
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for me personally i'm not a fan of 1-andro, just don't like the way it makes me feel...4-andro on the other hand really enhances my meager dose of 100mg test cyp weekly. epi-andro is another I like, it doesn't give the alpha feel and libido affect that 4-andro gives me, but it does act as a AI and hardens my muscles/dries me out/and gives some extra boost to workouts.


I rarely run 4-andro or epi-andro anymore because of cost, it is pretty expensive to run these at effective doses for the temporary results, tbh.
 
4-andro just converts (we hope, how much?) to testosterone. if on hrt/trt, why on earth would spend 10x the $ on 4-andro, when you could just inject a little more test, is beyond me. after a while on hrt/trt, everyone ends up with extra - especially if using "one piece" syringe. if using hcg, you are not completely suppressed - if you are maintaining testicular size, leydig cells are doing some work.
 
DaeshDontSurf said:
4-andro just converts (we hope, how much?) to testosterone. if on hrt/trt, why on earth would spend 10x the $ on 4-andro, when you could just inject a little more test, is beyond me. after a while on hrt/trt, everyone ends up with extra - especially if using "one piece" syringe. if using hcg, you are not completely suppressed - if you are maintaining testicular size, leydig cells are doing some work.
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not everyone...some of us are very limited on our supply of trt 'legal' testosterone.
 
They will still work. The problem with andros is they're underdosed and they don't give you enough to run it long enough.
 
thebigt said:
not everyone...some of us are very limited on our supply of trt 'legal' testosterone.
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everyone is limited in us, by dea regulation. i am rx'd 180mg a week and have to, by law, get 3, 5ml vials (can't have more than x days unopened supply per dea) for 120 days. i don't know how it mathematically happens, but by using a one-piece needle/barrel syringe (0 waste) - i always have extra, and it adds up. a lot of other trt guys say the same thing - but maybe your doc is being extra anal - do you ever run out before he'll fill the next script? I don't know, that sucks though.
 
DaeshDontSurf said:
everyone is limited in us, by dea regulation. i am rx'd 180mg a week and have to, by law, get 3, 5ml vials (can't have more than x days unopened supply per dea) for 120 days. i don't know how it mathematically happens, but by using a one-piece needle/barrel syringe (0 waste) - i always have extra, and it adds up. a lot of other trt guys say the same thing - but maybe your doc is being extra anal - do you ever run out before he'll fill the next script? I don't know, that sucks though.
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I am on 100mg per week, actually 200mg per every 2 weeks....I get 2 1ml vials every month---aint nothin extra!!!
 
guys just to be clr, Dark Carnival by VL has 300 mgs epiandro per pill and enough to run 900 per day for 30 days per bottle!!!

if youve never ran epi at a high dose, you are missing out on some really great strength improvments and super pumps. Its going to be a finishing compound for me going forward, in every cycle when you kinda hit the wall.
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
guys just to be clr, Dark Carnival by VL has 300 mgs epiandro per pill and enough to run 900 per day for 30 days per bottle!!!

if youve never ran epi at a high dose, you are missing out on some really great strength improvments and super pumps. Its going to be a finishing compound for me going forward, in every cycle when you kinda hit the wall.
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Does Dark Carnival require a test base and serm?
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
guys just to be clr, Dark Carnival by VL has 300 mgs epiandro per pill and enough to run 900 per day for 30 days per bottle!!!

if youve never ran epi at a high dose, you are missing out on some really great strength improvments and super pumps. Its going to be a finishing compound for me going forward, in every cycle when you kinda hit the wall.
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My DC will be here on Monday. I've never ran this before but will be stacking 900mg ED with DMZ. Looking forward to it.
 
Looking hard at viscous labs . So the epi is the only non methyl .? The msten dmz and lmg are all methyl Correct ? Sweet sounds like dark carnival it is !
 
Already did received first order yet to try it . Thinking about getting more before this series is discontinued just want a non methyl. Is lmg non methyl? I know msten is and dmz is ? Not sure about lmg I have read it's not but dont know about all the clones
 
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