Progestins Anabolic?

[CNorris]

Ok whats the deal here, From my understanding a progestin is something that mimics or produces progesterone. Here is a definition I found of progesterone.

Progesterone: A steroid hormone, C21H30O2, secreted by the corpus luteum of the ovary and by the placenta, that acts to prepare the uterus for implantation of the fertilized ovum, to maintain pregnancy, and to promote development of the mammary glands.

Why would any man want this in their body? Can someone explain to me why deca and tren are mild progesterones and anabolic steroids at the same time?

Also here is a claim from Legal Gear about M1P. They act like putting ***** tit building hormones in your body is a good thing :wtf:

You may not know this but LegalGear is the company that shook the world by FIRST releasing M1T. Don't let our competitors bull**** you, we were the first to market and our products are known to be the best and highest quality! LegalGear is a brand that is known for innovation and quality products. I can't tell you the countless emails stating “your M1T worked better than any other brand on the market”.

So, everyone kept asking us “when are you going to have a replacement for M1T?” It took a long time because we were not about to bring out something lame, like a crappy tribulus testosterone booster mix and then try to tell you it is “new and revolutionary”. That's not our style. We don't try to screw or fool our customers, people buying LegalGear expect something better. After so many questions, we knew we had to find something!

W e had a tough job ahead of us, find an anabolic agent that is 100% legal and builds muscle like a pro-hormone . Impossible? Not from the labs at LegalGear! This search for the perfect anabolic lead us down many paths and many areas. Sure, we could have sold out and tried to hide a “steroid” by disguising it's name like some other's have done, only to get caught and forced to remove the product from the market, but we wanted to make a product that would last the ban and be available for years to come.

The first set of compounds we looked at certainly hit the mark when it came to building muscle, but we wanted to be on the FAR side of legal, not on the edge, so we had to skip the countless unscheduled steroids that were missed by Congress. We didn't want to sell anything that was even remotely edgy, but still gave AWESOME results.

We had to find something that built muscle, but didn't cross the legal line…

The law reads:

“(A) The term `anabolic steroid' means any drug or hormonal substance, chemically and pharmacologically related to testosterone (other than estrogens, progestins, corticosteroids, and dehydroepiandrosterone), and includes-- “

That left us without the “luxury” of trying to skirt the law by bringing out anything related to testosterone or other androgens like some other's have done. (we personally want to stay out of jail) So, instead of trying to cheat the law, we decided to see what Congress left us. Estrogens? Nope, that wouldn't work, although we did find one estrogen derivative that might be useful for building muscle (it's not active as an estrogen though). Corticosteroids? Nah, they have a lot of uses, but building muscle wasn't one we found. DHEA? Well, I think the days of DHEA and muscle building sort of died in the 90's. People know DHEA doesn't build muscle.

That left us one choice…

Progestins! How do progestins build muscle you ask? Well, not any old progestin will do, you have to look long and hard for the “right” progestin. Our search for a progestin capable of building HUGE MUSCLE and without ANY side effects took months! We scoured the literature and found a progestin that is used in AIDS patients to prevent muscle wasting! This was a decent find, but we were not satisfied to give you just the bare minimum that nature has to offer. We looked harder and found a metabolite of that progestin used in those AIDS wasting studies that was even MORE potent at building muscle! In fact it is the 5aReduced form which makes it much more potent at building muscle and burning fat. Don't forget that some of the MOST POTENT steroids on the market are ACTUALLY VERY STRONG PROGESTINS TOO! Things like Mibolerone (Cheque Drops), Trenbolone (Fina), Nandrolone (Deca), and Anadrol are steroids but ALSO PROGESTINS!

Even a better muscle builder than many illegal steroids...

By finding the right progestin, we were able to deliver a totally legal muscle monster that is even more active than many illegal steroids. It's more potent that many of the favorite illegal anabolics on the black market. We then added in our nutrient partitioning agents and we had a winner capable of building 10 lbs of mass in 2 weeks! The great thing about the active ingredient in M1P is that it won't turn into estrogen and will give you dry, solid gains in mass with limited side effects. The best reported benefit of M1P by our testers is the body composition changes rivaling the most potent illegal steroids and pro-hormones and because it can't convert to estrogen and we added in our own patent pending aromatase inhibitor that is more potent than anything on the market, you can bet that M1P is guaranteed to be free from estrogenic side effects and frees up more of your body's own testosterone to act as a natural stack.

 

[motiv8er]

Pharmaceutical Name: trenbolone (as hexahydrobencylcarbonate)
Chemical structure: 17-beta-hydroxyestra-4, 9-11-trien-3-one
Molecular weight of base: 270.3706
Molecular weight of ester: 130.1864 (hexahydrobencylcarbonic acid, 7 carbons)


Effective dose: 76 mg every 2-3 days, 152 mg every 3-4 days...
Average Street-price: $70 per 76 mg vial
Available Doses: 76 mg/1.5 ml

Brands & Products:

Negma Parabolan (FR) 76 mg/1.5 ml

Also see "Finaplix/Finaject" profile.

Characteristics:

Parabolan is another trenbolone product, in the same nature as Finaplix, so what's been said for finaplix pretty much goes for Parabolan as well. It differs distinctly in a few characteristics. Parabolan is a different ester that acts considerably longer, meaning you could go longer without injecting. But since it comes in 76 mg vials and few people take the time to inject multiple vials at once, its still used on a frequent basis. 2 or 3 days between injections seems to be the general norm. Leading up to a similar build-up of 228-304 mg per week.

Another difference is that Parabolan was specifically designed for human use. That would in itself make it a better choice than Finaplix because it needn't be prepared and the chance of faulty, painful, home-brewed injections decreases. But since it hasn't been manufactured in a while and legit lots only surface from time to time the price of the stuff is quite high. As more bodybuilders become aware of the absence of Finaject and that it is very hard to fake Finaplix, Parabolan is also being faked quite a bit. Usually fake trenbolone compounds are a low-dose testosterone propionate product. This has often lead to the belief that trenbolone causes gyno and other estrogenic effects, but that simply isn't true.

This belief has taken on a life of its own though. Making theories pop up all over the place. The only one that made sense, from some point at least, was that trenbolone was progestagenic and acted at the progesterone receptor. Its structure is similar to nandrolone, so this is a logical assumption. But even then, for progesterone activation to cause things like gyno, it needs to act as an estrogen agonist. It needs an estrogen as mediator. Since trenbolone doesn't cause aromatization, any sighting of gyno with trenbolone use should be regarded as a misinterpretation and is most likely to blame on another compound, an aromatizable one. So while trenbolone may increase the risk of gyno when stacked with heavily aromatizing substances, its simply not true that trenbolone alone causes gyno.

For more information on the substance trenbolone I refer you to the Finaplix profile...

Stacking and Use:

Trenbolone is relatively safe steroid all in all. There is some concern about kidney toxicity, but usually exaggerated. The beauty of trenbolone is that its one steroid that has it all : Its highly effective in its own, provides all lean gains which are fairly easy to maintain and isn't very prone to cause side-effects. Parabolan is the more expensive way to go, but definitely the most userfriendly as you side-step the need to make your own home-brewed concoction and any risk of involuntary infections and abscesses. Parabolan is quite hard to come by however, and should you find a real one, its not all that cheap.

Trenbolone doesn't have to be stacked per se, its quite effective on its own and as such is quite popular with beginners as it delivers good lean gains without extra costs. 76 mg every two or three days and you are done. But some prefer to stack it, and justly so. As a strong androgen mediator it stacks particularly well with base steroids such as nandrolone, boldenone and methenolone. Nandrolone for bulking, methenolone for cutting and boldenone can be used for either. As with basically any steroid, it stacks quite well with all forms of testosterone as well, most notably testosterone propionate during a cutting cycle.

Trenbolone is preferred over Winstrol, Masteron, Proviron and so forth in strength, so simply upping the dose to every day would be a better choice than stacking it with these compounds. Great gains can be obtained using oxymetholone or methandienone with trenbolone. Of course for short stacks of 6 odd weeks, and taking the necessary precautions. You need to use Nolva and probably add some winstrol if you are stacking with oxymetholone, since both oxy and tren have some progestagenic activity. So all in all a very useful, powerful and versatile steroid in use.

There is little or no need to stack secondary drugs with Parabolan. It does not aromatize. There is some concern as to Parabolan being progestagenic, so you should you opt to stack it with an aromatizable compound it may worsen potential gynocomastia so adding winstrol or Nolvadex, or even both to such a stack may be wise. But in itself or in a non-aromatizing stack this is not necessary. The use for post-cycle estrogen antagonists is limited as well, so Nolva or clomid to boost natural test will have little use. It is a very strong androgen receptor agonist however, so perhaps using some HCG from the second to the before last week of a cycle may help you retain more gains and prevent testicular shrinkage.

Legal Gear is doo-doo.

 

[NevrEnuf]

good post motiv8er,
yea my friends have been telling me not to add deca to my next cycle, that they are convinced that deca increases progesterone (which i agree) but they say its irreversable and can cause gyno without any symptoms and thats why no one uses deca/ tren anymore.

 

[wastedwhiteboy2]

I've heard deca/dht/clomid is a good cycle that minimzes shutdown. the clomid is obvious and I think the dht had something to do with reducing progesterone. does anyone know if this sounds correct?

 

[motiv8er]

WW2,
While I am ignorant to the actual process, the theory sounds right to me. It also sounds like a good cycle if MPB and whatnot aren't a concern.