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Product info/stack question

hpower

hpower

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Hey all, I could use some help on stack. I am looking to do a stack with an ultimate goal of maximizing lean gains. I don’t mind some water retention or fat, but if I can eat crazy (but lean) and get good gains, that would be preferred.

Just to give some background info, I am 26, I have been lifting for 7 years. I do have experience with hormones, and have done previous stacks. I also have fully researched ancillary supplements as well as PCT. I have not done a stack for some time, so I am going to re-read through a bunch of forums to to buff up my PCT knowledge. The search function is now my friend. I am 5’10, around 180 lbs, about 12-14% body fat.

Anyway, I have some questions regarding some new items I have no experience with. I have done a lot of research, but if I missed something, please just pass on links for me. Here are my questions:
  • From what I can see, PP and ergomax LMG are close, but the main differences are that PP has less sides, is wetter, and is more anabolic/less androgenic.
  • Prostan – how does this fit in? I see it as an additional androgen to stack with an anabolic substance for an additional hardening effect. Am I right on this?
  • Prostan vs. Orastan-E – are they the same as far as results?
  • SD seems to be the choice for lean gains, and more sides than PP.
  • I also have some 4-derm left over. Can this fit in a cycle with PP or SD, and is it beneficial/necessary/bad?
  • A stack idea is to start with PP and then move to SD for extra lean gains.
Thanks in advance for any input you guys have.
 
Based on the logs I've read, your statements are pretty accurate.

Prostanazol & Orastan E are the exact same compound, just different companies(so results will be the same).

I'm not sure if PP is really wetter than Emax. Personally I would choose PP, but they're so similar that I doubt the difference matters much if at all.

4derm would be a good addition to just about any cycle, especially one with SD.

The PP/SD stack is getting very popular. Here's a great log:
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Thanks Moyer. I read that link last night. He put a lot of work into that log. Sure is nice for the rest of us. I will be re-reading that log again before I start my stack.
 
Moyer said:
4derm would be a good addition to just about any cycle, especially one with SD.
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Just curious as to why this would be good especially with SD? Would 4derm be a better addition to SD than it would to PP?
 
I'm not saying that it won't work well with PP. 4derm is basically a weaker version of testosterone, which as everyone always says, should be the base for any cycle if you have it.

This guy's log might help. He's just starting an Emax/4AD cycle(1st one I've seen):
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But I think there are a couple reasons 4derm will work particularly well with SD.

SD has been said to provide very lean dry gains and makes many people lethargic. 4AD (4derm) is a wet compound and it also usually makes people feel very good. Basically, it should cover one of SD's side effects and increase your gains. Just seems like a beautiful stack because they balance eachother out.

Many people report feelings of well being on PP alone and for most people it is a wetter compound than SD, so it seems fairly well balanced already as a stand alone anabolic.

If you have enough 4derm though, I would run it the whole 6 weeks.
 
I got ya. I have run 4derm with M1T a while back, and I did not experience any lethargy, it was a good cycle for me. I do have enough, so I just may run it for a 5-6 week cycle. I believe I was doing 600mg a day of 4AD, and 20mg of M1T. Does that 4AD dose sound about right if I pair it with SD?

And thanks for the link to that log.
 
Sounds good to me, especially if that worked well for you before. You can always adjust your dosage up or down if you see side effects.
 
Thanks again for the info. Much appreciated. I usually try to keep my doses low, to be on the safe side, especially since I only weigh 180 lbs. But, I suppose I could always increase it over time. But, for me, I would rather gain only 6-8 lbs vs 10-12, if it is safer.
 
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