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Primordial Performance Presents a sponsored Dermacrine log, PLUS HAVOC

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Hows this stuff treating you? My libido is incredibly high!! I dont even know why they call this a prohormone. I may not even do a PCT. Maybe just some sustain alpha....
 
pavb10 said:
Hows this stuff treating you? My libido is incredibly high!! I dont even know why they call this a prohormone. I may not even do a PCT. Maybe just some sustain alpha....
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actually my libido was high, like u say, but in the beggining, now its more normal. Its from the Havoc, though im shure.

I like it, im thinking bout getting another bottle. I feel good on it.

yeah sustain alpha will be good, probally will raise libido too, i tried it a few times at night, has a very distinct smell. no notices in increased libido from the sustain though.
 
yeah thats def the havoc...My libido if anything has even gone up more since i felt the dramatic increase in the begining..

Im thinking this stuff will def aid in stopping suppression. Im planning on running a cycle like yours of 30/30/30/30 epistane in the winter with the dermacrine

Do you sweat the dermacrine out like hours after you apply it? ive only noticed the two times i put a little on my forearms...
 
Day 15

Back/Hamstrings

Deadlift
100-10
200-5
200-5
(better than last week, but i didnt do to many sets or reps)

Leg Curls
120-15
120-15
120-15
120-15

FST-7 Lat Pulldowns
60-15-7

Lots of Stretching

Not to much but it got me sore, and for some reason i still had some soreness from previous back.
 
pavb10 said:
yeah thats def the havoc...My libido if anything has even gone up more since i felt the dramatic increase in the begining..

Im thinking this stuff will def aid in stopping suppression. Im planning on running a cycle like yours of 30/30/30/30 epistane in the winter with the dermacrine

Do you sweat the dermacrine out like hours after you apply it? ive only noticed the two times i put a little on my forearms...
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nice. it actually can be good for a bulk, sort of what mine has turn into, sort of a lean bulk. Im gonna cut after the cycle i decided.
 
UKStrength said:
Sorry I missed this post mate!

Yeah my dermacrine is here, just waiting on the my nutraplanet order to get started! Hopefully next week, I don't think it's left the states yet (placed order on the 20th June).
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goodluck, pm me when u start it up
 
Day 18

Chest

Bench Press
45-20
135-12
225-6
205-6


Inner Chest Pushups
8
6
7
6


FST-7 Cable crossovers
60-15-7

Good workout, chest is already sore. I had a great bench today. and the fst-7, really got me pumped up and sore.
 
Day 20

Biceps

Barbell Curls
100-7
100-6
100-6
Outer Barbell Curls
50-12
50-12

FST-7 Concentration curls
20-15
20-15
15-15
15-15
15-15
15-15
15-15
 
How's the dermacrine feeling now? Seriously this nutra order can't come quick enough, it cleared GB customs yesterday, so close i can almost taste my Purple Wraath! :)
 
Great job on your log thusfar, bud. I know i'm late to the party, but i've had things going on and haven't had the time to get on here as much as i'd like. If you have any specific questions at this point, i'd be glad to help assist where i can.

Once again; great job!
 
-I really like the dermacrine uk stregth. I feel that it makes me bloated, definately, sort of an estrogen bloat but i like it. Libido was very good the first two week, but not so much anymore. The main negative thing is that i have more anxiety than usual.

The havoc hasnt been treated me so well in the last three day. I dont know exactly what it is, but i feel different pains in my stomach. Its hard to tell whats going on because my abs are also sore. Im also drinking a lot of protein shakes lately. But i think the havoc is messing with my liver. Either that, or im having terrible cramps in the stomach area.
I was at 40 mg three days ago, then 10mg, the 0mg, i probally will take 0mg today.

I still want to take it, but my health is more important,

Still taking the dermacrine.

Have another bottle on the way actually, but i may save it for another cycle, i dont know, or do dermacrine for another 2 weeks.


After this havoc cycle im not going to do anymore methyls.
 
geez that sounds rough....I may take the dermacrine some other time with an unmethylated compound like T-roid. I really dont feel bloated at all from the dermacrine. Has your water intake, shake consumption gone up?
 
Day 21 and 22

Rest Days

As of right now, my stomach feels good, i might pop a havoc and see if it effects me in a bad way, so perhaps i could safely do it another week.

As of now im up 8 to 10 pounds which is suprising. Ive seen the biggest difference probally in my back and bicpeps.
Biceps have increased in size, really but are getting more shapely, circular. However, i think a lot of the weight gain, is water.

Recovery has not really increased, which i am kind of dissapointed, i wanted to be a ble to workout more duirng the cycle, without overtraining.
 
pavb10 said:
geez that sounds rough....I may take the dermacrine some other time with an unmethylated compound like T-roid. I really dont feel bloated at all from the dermacrine. Has your water intake, shake consumption gone up?
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Yeah, ive tried a methyl in the past and stopped it early too.
In reality, methyls are not so neccesary anymore with transdermals, and youve got good non methalyated ph's. I thought the havoc would be less toxic to the liver. I dont really know exactly what the side effects are or what, or if it bloating.

But u know what, t-roid, you should jut get 1-t tren, which is dermacrine a t-roid stacked together.

I might do that in a few months.

Or this new ph, protodrol by i-force looks interesting, as its supposedly mild on the liver, good for cutting.

Either way im probally gonna stay away from, methyls after this; this time i thought i was prepared with all the nec. supps
 
Good work on the weight gain, 8-10 is real solid. Its prob a lot of water/ gylcogen, but def some solid muscle.

how is the 1-t tren as far as side effects....gyno and such? I dont really want a suppresive compound at all.
 
pavb10 said:
Good work on the weight gain, 8-10 is real solid. Its prob a lot of water/ gylcogen, but def some solid muscle.

Ive gained some muscle, i like how my biceps progressed in 3 weeks, but 3 weeks go buy so fast. i am bloated, i think from both the dermacrine and havoc actually. but i think be bloated with water is good for stregth and such.

how is the 1-t tren as far as side effects....gyno and such? I dont really want a suppresive compound at all.
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well i havent tried it, but it will be as supressive as an tren prohormone,x-mass, t-roid, x-tren, trenadol,(spawn is epi/tren) and usually any ph right now with a T in its name.

As from what ive read, i think the supression is worse than epi, but the stregth gains are much greater, ud prob like it. and since u like dermacrine, its dermacrine,plus 1-androsterone, plus the tren. Id buy two bottle, do it for 6 weeks. very potent with no liver problems supposedly, but ive heard a few accounts of altered liver values, in steveoph log that he stopped.

technically gyno shouldnt be a problem, but it very well could, take the proper ancilliaries, such as l-dopa,vitex, p-5-p and there should be gyno, but it could happen.

Gyno happens, in my perspective, when people do poorly designed cycles(too young,too much). Also theres a lot of environmental phytoestogens in our foods, that could also be a culprit.
 
Wow good info...Yeah i really dont know exactly what to do. Ive never cycled a prohormone before and i only get like a small enough window each year to run one cycle so im planning my first next winter and its gotta be perfect. I want decent results and low low side effects....
 
pavb10 said:
Wow good info...Yeah i really dont know exactly what to do. Ive never cycled a prohormone before and i only get like a small enough window each year to run one cycle so im planning my first next winter and its gotta be perfect. I want decent results and low low side effects....
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whats ur time frame? u got to have the cycle plus pct.

ud get freakin huge on a bulk with 1-t tren, u could do it for 4 weeks. 6 weeks is the max before increasinly bad shutdown, from what ive read.

All the logs on it, seem pretty good. It is very strong though, way stronger than epi, probally as strong as anything otc right now.

The only side effect u dont have to worry about is liver damage, which is good, people dont understand how important the liver is. Blood pressure, sweating, and definately shutdown, is what ud worry about it, gyno too, but i have heard as many gyno reports, as compared to superdrol or pheraplex.

also supposedly gives u an alpha male androgenic feeling, more so than something like epistane, which is more anabolic, with its Q ration of 12. Which is really good, not good if u dont want to be a hardass, but im shure it controlable.

I actually was almost gonna do it, instead of epistane, but it is stronger, more expensive too, about 150 for a cycle,(worth it, id opine) plus pct.
 
Day 23

Back/Hamstrings

Deadlift
on the rack with safety bars at the lowest. Bar starting perhaps at a little below knee level. Better form than last time too!
45-8(warmup)
180-10
235-7
235-8
255-7(pr!)

FST-7 Lat pulldown
70-15-7

Had a really good workout! awesome! felt crappy in the morning, but i took a superpump250, since my blood pressure seems okay. Really picked me up.

Notes:Stomach feels better, but im only taking 1 cap of Havoc, im tapering down. Increasing dosing of dermacrine though to 5 pumps. I might take 20mg havoc tommorow.
 
Day 24

Chest/Tris

Bench Press
225-8
225-5
180-8

FST-7 Cable Crossovers
60-15-7

FST-7 Triceps Extensions
50-15-7

Notes: If i waited another day, i could of have had high numbers, i still had a great workout, had an itch to go to the gym.

Dermacrine: 5 pumps

Havoc:1 cap(will probally stop taking all together soon.
 
Mars1107 said:
The only side effect u dont have to worry about is liver damage, which is good, people dont understand how important the liver is....
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So true mate, you're a wise man.

1-T Tren looks more and more appealing every time I read a log on it...

Oh BTW, log starts on Monday ;)
 
Day 26

Rest Day

I feel like i could go to the gym again, but then id be overtraining myself, im pretty sore all over. maybe i can get a biceps workout in though,maybe.

Notes:
Not taking havoc anymore.

Dermacrine is almost finished. I started adding a pump of transdermal formestane. You know dermacrine formestane, might actually be better than the havoc.(sides vs stregth)(but im just going off one day)

My thinking(highlight thinking) is the dermacrine creates some excess estrogen, and the formestane takes this elimates this estrogen and creates a testosterone spike without getting estrogen too low.
So itd be a great stack with very limited side effects.

Overall, i didnt think havoc was had strong anti-estrogenic effects for me, as seen by joints and dryness, i really didnt get that.

I started sustain alpha a few days ago, at night.
 
sorry for no updates, i got into a busy schedule, and im going to an emergency trip to mexico.

So ill post a review and updates when i get back in 2 weeks or so.

Thanks for the support.
 
Mars1107 said:
sorry for no updates, i got into a busy schedule, and im going to an emergency trip to mexico.

So ill post a review and updates when i get back in 2 weeks or so.

Thanks for the support.
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Life happens mate, have a good trip :)
 
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