Primo/SD/EQ/Test

rippedtothebone

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Here is my proposed lean bulking cycle. I know it's expensive.

Weeks 1-8......700 mg primobolan Depot (British Dragon)
Week 1-3.......30 mg superdrol per day
Week 1-8.......300 mg Equipoise per week(BD)
Week 1-10..... 125 mg test undecanoate (injectable, not andriol)
Week 1-8....... 50 mg winny depot EOD

Arimidex, nolvadex, clomid as needed. The standard 4 week nolvadex post cycle.
Any thoughts, Ideas.
 
rippedtothebone said:
Here is my proposed lean bulking cycle. I know it's expensive.

Weeks 1-8......700 mg primobolan Depot (British Dragon)
Week 1-3.......30 mg superdrol per day
Week 1-8.......300 mg Equipoise per week(BD)
Week 1-10..... 125 mg test undecanoate (injectable, not andriol)
Week 1-8....... 50 mg winny depot EOD

Arimidex, nolvadex, clomid as needed. The standard 4 week nolvadex post cycle.
Any thoughts, Ideas.
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Do you already have all of this?
And alot of guys don't like Primo, waste of money is what they say.
Why not Tren?
If it where me I would use these:
Tren Ace
Test E or Cyp depending on which you prefer
Anavar or Turinbol (sp?)
A few guys here used TBol and loved it said it was like a stronger anavar.
 
LCSULLA said:
Do you already have all of this?
And alot of guys don't like Primo, waste of money is what they say.
Why not Tren?
If it where me I would use these:
Tren Ace
Test E or Cyp depending on which you prefer
Anavar or Turinbol (sp?)
A few guys here used TBol and loved it said it was like a stronger anavar.
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There is alot of fake primo circulating out there, If you can get real primo it's the Best steroid bar none IMO. I don't use Fina or Deca, anadrol, these shut me down to hard. I'm going to try superdrol out, see what all the rave is about.
 
rippedtothebone said:
There is alot of fake primo circulating out there, If you can get real primo it's the Best steroid bar none IMO. I don't use Fina or Deca, anadrol, these shut me down to hard. I'm going to try superdrol out, see what all the rave is about.
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Even with test they shut you down?
Ripped if you decided to do this cycle keep a log. I would intrested to see what happens.
 
i would use test prop and drop the eq. eq for 10 weeks is going to be a waste of time, it should really be run for at least 12 weeks because fo the very long ester.
 
I agree w/ hethcliff, why did you choose to go with the undecanoate ester for your test? This ester will take like over a month to even start feeling it...more like 6-7 weeks. And you def. wanna run this longer than 10 for now obvious reasons. More like 16-18 weeks I'd say. The EQ is also being run too short. If using the undeclynite>>> ( I don't feel like looking up the spelling...lol) ester, it needs to be run for a MINIMUM of 12-14 weeks.

Winny for 8 weeks is WAY too long as well....especially when you got SD for the first 3 weeks. This cycle doesn't look good at all. And you need to do more research, obviously. ;)

Stick around for awhile longer and ask questions/do searches and then come back and ask for help on revising your cycle.
 
There is a difference between "feeling it" and something working. Once EQ (or deca, or any long estered substance) reaches its peak level it IS working as well or better than it would be at that same level three months later. If a person frontloads and that peak level is hit earlier, so much the better. "Feeling it" generally means noticing its effects in the mirror. It is not like these things do nothing for you for three months, and then as a gift for your patience, they drop five pounds of muscle onto you.

With the long esters (EQ, test undec) for a shorter cycle, frontload them, then a week or two before you stop taking those, start the winstrol. Run that for four weeks while the long esters clear your system. Primo depot can be run throughout, or given that it is likely hella expensive, you could run it on both ends of the cycle, the first four weeks and the last four weeks. Then run PCT.
 
Strateg0s said:
There is a difference between "feeling it" and something working. Once EQ (or deca, or any long estered substance) reaches its peak level it IS working as well or better than it would be at that same level three months later. If a person frontloads and that peak level is hit earlier, so much the better. "Feeling it" generally means noticing its effects in the mirror. It is not like these things do nothing for you for three months, and then as a gift for your patience, they drop five pounds of muscle onto you.

With the long esters (EQ, test undec) for a shorter cycle, frontload them, then a week or two before you stop taking those, start the winstrol. Run that for four weeks while the long esters clear your system. Primo depot can be run throughout, or given that it is likely hella expensive, you could run it on both ends of the cycle, the first four weeks and the last four weeks. Then run PCT.
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Why would somebody want to wait that long just for the longer esters to kick in and then only have 2-3 more weeks at full strength? That's a total and complete waste IMO.

Frontloading.....if you decide to front load, those are gonna be some HAPPENIN' amounts of oil that you gotta shoot every week in order to reach full blood levels. I don't know the exact amounts but you're ass is gonna be sore for a long time comin holmes.

Feeling it, doesn't mean physical changes per say. Feeling it means that you can feel the physiological effects taking place. Wether that be libido changes, temperment, strength, etc.

And with those esters, he won't even begin to "feel it" until like the 6-7th week or so. And that still isn't 100%.

BRo, just ditch those long esters and get some shorter ones. This is a no-brainer.

Strategos, have you ran a cycle(s) like this before? Care to elaborate on the gains made, etc? If not, have you even ran a legit AAS injectable cycle?
 
They don't have to wait super long for the long-esters to "kick in" - they just have to get the active dose to the proper level sooner: hence frontloading. The testosterone in test-prop is not magically different than the testosterone in test-cyp or test-undec. What matters is the active amount after the weight of the ester is subtracted.

As for needing a whole lot of oil, long esters, especially in a combined mixture can reach 400mg/ml without a problem. The amount of oil would not be much different than if someone used prop at 100mg/ml.

He can use short esters if he likes, I am just pointing out some of the problems in what has been said.

As for my history, that isn't going to be forthcoming anytime soon. I am content to stick to the topic, and science is the name of the game.
 
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Strateg0s said:
They don't have to wait super long for the long-esters to "kick in" - they just have to get the active dose to the proper level sooner: hence frontloading. The testosterone in test-prop is not magically different than the testosterone in test-cyp or test-undec. What matters is the active amount after the weight of the ester is subtracted.

As for needing a whole lot of oil, long esters, especially in a combined mixture can reach 400mg/ml without a problem. The amount of oil would not be much different than if someone used prop at 100mg/ml.

He can use short esters if he likes, I am just pointing out some of the problems in what has been said.

As for my history, that isn't going to be forthcoming anytime soon. I am content to stick to the topic, and science is the name of the game.
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I understand what you're saying, I know that it can be made to work but I was just pointing out that it would just be so much easier to go with shorter esters. He asked for advice and these boards are for giving/helping out. Good advice here is to just use different/shorter esters.

Also, the mg amount/ml isn't even known yet.

Also, science is one thing, but it's always good to have a feel for AAS by actually using it. Everybody's different and everybody reacts differently....especially in regards to different esters. Try to realize this when making your point or giving out advice. ;)
 
My point was simply that if you have an identical quantity of a steroid in your system, after subtracting the weight of the ester, you are going to have very similar effects. Steroids with long esters are not magically less powerful, they just take longer to run through the system. Frontloading deals with this.

Put it this way, say someone used suspension from day one until their frontloaded cyp raised levels to their target, and used suspension at the end of the cycle after the last dose of cyp. In other words, they kept the level of testosterone steady for 8 or however many weeks. You are saying that the results would suck unless the cycle was long, 20+ weeks. I am saying that if the levels of testosterone are nearly identical, the results from using one ester are not going to suck compared to another.
 
Strateg0s said:
My point was simply that if you have an identical quantity of a steroid in your system, after subtracting the weight of the ester, you are going to have very similar effects. Steroids with long esters are not magically less powerful, they just take longer to run through the system. Frontloading deals with this.

Put it this way, say someone used suspension from day one until their frontloaded cyp raised levels to their target, and used suspension at the end of the cycle after the last dose of cyp. In other words, they kept the level of testosterone steady for 8 or however many weeks. You are saying that the results would suck unless the cycle was long, 20+ weeks. I am saying that if the levels of testosterone are nearly identical, the results from using one ester are not going to suck compared to another.
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Where did I say this? Trust me man, I totally understand what esters are and that test is test. :rolleyes: OMG, please quit putting words into my mouth.

What I am saying is you can frontload with enth, cyp...it's still not gonna kick in till about the 2nd or 3rd week or so. Yes, that is even when you frontload. Now with an even longer ester, even if you frontload, you're gonna have to shoot more actual hormone in ordrer to feel it faster...don't you understand? Guess not...look at it like this.... say one week you frontload 2 grams test of enth or cyp. Now before you even "feel" the cyp/enth it's still gonna take 2-3 weeks vs. the 4-5 if you WEREN"T frontloading. Of course feeling it will vary person to person. Now say you frontload undecanoate.....say at 2 grams/week. You;'re not going to "feel' the the undecanoate as fast as the enth or cyp simply because the ester is longer....so NOW, you'll have to frontload even more/week....maybe even up to 3 grams or so....and this is just to get it to kick in at the same time as enth or cyp.

I'm not talking about ester weights, or actual hormone weights, I'm talking about having to shoot even more total ml's(oil+hormone) in order to start to feel it. The longer the ester, the more total volume you'll have to frontload. If you wanna start feeling a gram/week of test (enth or cyp), you're gonna have to frontload approx. 3 grams or so/week (of undecanoate), just in order to start to feel it in say the 4th-5th weeks or so. See what I mean?

This is totally NOT worthwhile and this is what I'm getting at. Why would wanna deal with all those calcualtions, etc. just to be able to run a cycle that could have been run with a shorter ester and less confusion?

This is what I'm talking about with you in regards to giving out info when you haven't even ran AAS before. How would you even begin to know what it "feels" like when you haven't used any before? Exaclty, you don't, end of discussion.
Skye had actually posted a chart around here somewhere stating the actual amount of hormone that gets released into the bloodstream every week for different esters. Might wanna do a search and do some reading up on it.
 
There are a few assumptions in your post that you have no business making, but carry on.

I never said that it was optimal to run a short cycle using long esters, did I? No. But if he already has everything, it could still be done. If he was starting from scratch, there are better ways to go. Obviously.
 
thanks guys for the advice, i'll be using a shorter acting testosterone. Im going to be frontloading the test for the first two weeks. The cycle will stay exacty the same, however i will go a full 10 weeks.
 
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