If you want a stim free with other extras besides pump ingredients, check out Morphogen Nutrition Volugen. Clinical dosages of quality ingredients, you can’t go wrong.
I’ve had almost every flavor and they are all amazing. Never had a bad flavor from Primeval to be honwst
I would still go for high volume by PES or Build Fast Formula VasoBlitz for my non stim option both are just as cost effective if not cheaper and provide clinical doses
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