Prime xt or alpha one for pure strength and growth in 12 weeks?
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1HP
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I did a 3 bottle run, 6 caps off days, 9 caps workout days, after 3-4 weeks strength jumped about 10%, which went away about 2-3 weeks after stopping. Perhaps the strength boost is neurological.
But you cannot put a lot value on my experience of the strength dropping off after till you hear from more people experiencing the same as my strength could’ve dropped from a number of things, for example fatigue due to lifting 10% heavier weights for several weeks in a row
Strength fluctuates, it peaks and dips, like many things in life. It was fun to be on it anyway!
andro-Grow432
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So your saying your strength dipped down after quitting prime? And you was on it for 12 weeks? So therefore it definitely had some sort of an effect for youI did a 3 bottle run, 6 caps off days, 9 caps workout days, after 3-4 weeks strength jumped about 10%, which went away about 2-3 weeks after stopping. Perhaps the strength boost is neurological.
But you cannot put a lot value on my experience of the strength dropping off after till you hear from more people experiencing the same as my strength could’ve dropped from a number of things, for example fatigue due to lifting 10% heavier weights for several weeks in a row
Strength fluctuates, it peaks and dips, like many things in life. It was fun to be on it anyway!
warnerve
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Same here, I have run x gels twice in the last few years and I think that was also my favorite for strength. Nothing huge all at once but just gradually adding a rep or 5 lbs the whole time after week 2 or so.
I only did four caps on workout days only so it ends up being cheap enough to stack similar to Alpha one at one a day.
I have run prime before but only once, would like to run that again but have other stuff to try first. I liked it but preferred x gels, I really like them. Only downside is all the other natural anabolics seem to make you feel better but the DOMS and pumps with x gels make life a little worse.
I also like BMP for strength. Have some BASIS that I am looking forward to but haven’t started it yet.
AwakeningAlpha
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Arachiodonic Acid DOMS are no joke. I love ARA, but I only run it once or twice a week now, never on leg days and never if I have any injuries. I also like to run it when I am on Peptibolic, Peptiplex, or BPC to help boost recovery.
Currently loving BASIS, Alpha One, and Peptibolic for a summer cut while training hard and heavy on lower cals.
Currently loving BASIS, Alpha One, and Peptibolic for a summer cut while training hard and heavy on lower cals.
andro-Grow432
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Hows peptibolic treating you? I've ran dileucine and had decent results with it
AwakeningAlpha
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I like it a lot. Definitely increases recovery and helps me maintain muscle in a deficit. Biggest upside is it keeps injury at bay even when training 3 hour sessions with fairly heavy weight and volume.
andro-Grow432
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Id say that's probably the best thing it offers is enhanced recovery and lowering of doms if anything right? Idk how well peptistrong is as a standalone. But that's about all dileucine offered
DREADLORD
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Mate, if you're seriously looking for strength gains, then you're indeed not looking at this in an optimal fashion. Strength IS a NEURAL ADAPTATION above all. Myofibrillar hypertrophy must be your goal. That calls first and foremost for the right kind of training input. Your desire for support from these ancillaries aside, their assistance will be minimal if the training regimen is not attuned for strength. As such, training with epicatechin, 30 grams of daily collagen, vitamin C, and hyaluronic acid, creatine, along with a TENDON strengthening protocol [focus on slow eccentric stretch, overcoming isometrics of above 45 seconds static hold, above 75% of your 1RM] is required. Then for your normal lifts, 5 sets of 4 reps with at least 3-4 minute rest between sets. Dr.Andy Galpin, Dorian Yates, etc have videos on this too. You can check Charles Poliquin too. I used to be a professional armwrestler before and strength is what I focused on. True strength gains come from precise tendon-training along with myofibrillar hypertrophy.
And adding to what others said about DOMS, therein lies another key. I have a personalized stack of BPC, TB500, and IGF-1 DES I use for a 6 week strength cycle. With my torn rotator cuff, I went from a 70lb barbell curl to a 110lb barbell curl in those 6 weeks. I was on a cutting phase at the time too. Admittedly, muscle memory certainly played a role there.
These dietary aids would be excellent for energy production, but their efficacy is 100% dependent on how you utilize that energy. Would the strength increase be incidental or fundamental? That is inevitably linked to your protocol. Wish you all the best.
andro-Grow432
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Very interesting indepth and well explained take. See to me strength means weight or reps. If I can put out a significant chunk of more weight then hell yea. If I added multiple reps over multiple sets then hell yea. As long as there a noticeable nudge towards the ability to hit a new found potential, which in turn creates a new goal to reach sooner than before. Hence hitting reps and weights days, weeks or possibly even months sooner than without. Most supplements will never produce such dramatic results but same may come closer than you'd expect. This forum has shown me how dramatic a role genetics play with compound reactions. And tbh my brother not everyone has the capacity to hit such weight safely and reasonably. To get stronger is to progressively overload. Just to put simple, it's to progress. One way or the other. You had mentioned that you used epicatechin. Now I am very interested to hear your experience with that as well. How many times have you cycled with it and how well did it work for you?Mate, if you're seriously looking for strength gains, then you're indeed not looking at this in an optimal fashion. Strength IS a NEURAL ADAPTATION above all. Myofibrillar hypertrophy must be your goal. That calls first and foremost for the right kind of training input. Your desire for support from these ancillaries aside, their assistance will be minimal if the training regimen is not attuned for strength. As such, training with epicatechin, 30 grams of daily collagen, vitamin C, and hyaluronic acid, creatine, along with a TENDON strengthening protocol [focus on slow eccentric stretch, overcoming isometrics of above 45 seconds static hold, above 75% of your 1RM] is required. Then for your normal lifts, 5 sets of 4 reps with at least 3-4 minute rest between sets. Dr.Andy Galpin, Dorian Yates, etc have videos on this too. You can check Charles Poliquin too. I used to be a professional armwrestler before and strength is what I focused on. True strength gains come from precise tendon-training along with myofibrillar hypertrophy.
And adding to what others said about DOMS, therein lies another key. I have a personalized stack of BPC, TB500, and IGF-1 DES I use for a 6 week strength cycle. With my torn rotator cuff, I went from a 70lb barbell curl to a 110lb barbell curl in those 6 weeks. I was on a cutting phase at the time too. Admittedly, muscle memory certainly played a role there.
These dietary aids would be excellent for energy production, but their efficacy is 100% dependent on how you utilize that energy. Would the strength increase be incidental or fundamental? That is inevitably linked to your protocol. Wish you all the best.
DREADLORD
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This changes everything. Ok, so your target is a consistent generic progressive overload. Thats different. Yes, strength is definitely 1RM. Reps go into the muscular endurance bit. Of course all of them come under progressive overload and in the interest of brevity, you are targeting WORK increase- Volume. The word potential is tricky. It is diverse. Oh absolutely genetics play a huge role in determining the specificity of how a compound will react in an individual. That aside, we can still make a logical deductive assertion on how it would likely work on ourselves. And now to your most essential claim, IMO,
NOBODY does. Yeah, that's right. We all have to begin from scratch since Bully whippet syndrome is not yet a thing in humans [as much as I dream it would be]. On a serious note, I have the crappiest genes when it comes to myocyte development. But, I have never had problems with elbow joints- No golfers elbow, no tennis elbow. Thankfully, I began my training with JM Presses and other modalities that saved me in that regard. Focusing on tendon strength is the key. You must have heard of the phrase- "old man strength," right? That's primarily a tendon adaptation. Also, here is another VITAL piece of info: Your potential maximum growth IS undoubtedly dependent on how injury-free you can remain. Connective tissue often lags behind muscular development, especially when the focus is on sarcoplasmic hypertrophy [Muscle mass/volume]. Injuries set you back ages. And most, if not all, injuries happen during movement, and this is why isometrics are among the safest training methods.
Here is a summarized description of how actual strength training works. Myofibrillar hypertrophy results in a greater increase in the number of myonuclei in muscle cells instead of mere cellular fluid volume (muscle size). Strength-the ability of our body to recruit type 2 fast-twitch muscle fibers quickly depends on the myonuclei content. The stiffness/Young's modulus of our tendons acts as the determining link in the chain. In simple terms, muscles force the tendons to move the bone, and that is strength.
I love epicatechin and only despair I cannot use Trevogrumab and Garetosmab. Epicatechin allowed me to extend my isometric duration and weight handled in static hold, and also helped reduce the duration of DOMS.
And for perspective, barbell curls with 110lbs is only my current limit since that's the heaviest in the gym. My PR is 170lbs. And 95lb dumbbell curl on my dominant right hand. But I began my training with a 6lb dumbbell when I was a kid.
I use a minimum of 500mg epicatechin usually for 8 weeks and I have cycled it at least ten times.