Prime XT - Natural Anabolic Muscle Builder - Available Now!
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GQdaLEGEND
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IMO prime xt or alphaOne should always be in rotation lol
Joshlm69
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Yeah I have 3 bottles of Alpha One to get through first
Segansational
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Interesting to hear about how much everyone seems to like stacking Alpha One with PrimeXT. I'm on PrimeXT right now and planning to add in a bottle of Alpha One on Monday, so will report back!
grovemule
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When I stacked them for about 2 months, then ran out of Prime I noticed a decrease in libido and just the feel good state. Pumps were still crazy on Alpha One only, but definitely a sixth sense of something missing. Placed my order with DPS yesterday, 1 Optimize-T, 1 Prime, 2 M test. Help is on the way lol
Dustin07
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Prime is one I still haven't tried yet, but I do like the Alpha One a lot. What are you noticing most about Prime? I might need to grab some for May/June.
grovemule
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I'd say libido boost was the most noticeable aspect. Being able to lift more weight and more endurance close seconds
KimChee75
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The Prime A1 stack is ridiculous for strength. I’m lifting weights I haven’t in years. Reminds me of a mild ph. I need to get my test levels checked see if I can get on TRT. I’m usually pretty tired after work- PT in the hospital setting, but A1 greatly increased my work capacity. I don’t feel anything but I can work a lot harder than without it.
Maximiliaan
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@stevesns Is there any research on this compound as I can’t see any? Good feedback on this thread but placebo effect is a real thing too.
Maximiliaan
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In particular what’s this based on?
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Tribulus Aquaticus is rich in natural phytonutrients (which ones?)
and has long been sought after for its muscle building potential (based on?)
It is thought to have a wide variety of mechanisms of action (by whom and which mechanisms?
some of which may not yet be fully known or understood;
(You say some may not be known but are any of them known?)
but is thought to promote gains in lean muscle and strength (thought by whom to do this?)
by working through glucocorticoid suppression and as a calpain inhibitor.
(Based on what evidence?)
It has also been thought to act as a natural repartitioning agent,
(Based on what evidence?)
increasing the odds that calories are used as energy or delivered into the muscle cells rather than stored in fat cells.”
Not hating here but sns normally have science behind their products and this looks the opposite. I discount any user feedback/testimonials as there are countless studies showing how placebo actions work. I want to know if this is just hoping for the best/capitalising off what usp labs did or if you’re privy to some secret research/lab work I can’t find?
There are people here comparing this stuff to mild prohormones and anyone who’s been around those knows that is total BS. When I see people talk about any natural muscle builder/test booster type in that way (or for that matter say their 1-DHEA/4-dhea based products are like OG prohormones) I call BS.
Unless they are actually contaminated with some androgen no product in that class would do that. I know you aren’t claiming that yourself cos let’s face it, your OG CEL PH’s were the bomb, lol Tribulus aquatics type stuff certainly wasn’t needed back then!
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Tribulus Aquaticus is rich in natural phytonutrients (which ones?)
and has long been sought after for its muscle building potential (based on?)
It is thought to have a wide variety of mechanisms of action (by whom and which mechanisms?
some of which may not yet be fully known or understood;
(You say some may not be known but are any of them known?)
but is thought to promote gains in lean muscle and strength (thought by whom to do this?)
by working through glucocorticoid suppression and as a calpain inhibitor.
(Based on what evidence?)
It has also been thought to act as a natural repartitioning agent,
(Based on what evidence?)
increasing the odds that calories are used as energy or delivered into the muscle cells rather than stored in fat cells.”
Not hating here but sns normally have science behind their products and this looks the opposite. I discount any user feedback/testimonials as there are countless studies showing how placebo actions work. I want to know if this is just hoping for the best/capitalising off what usp labs did or if you’re privy to some secret research/lab work I can’t find?
There are people here comparing this stuff to mild prohormones and anyone who’s been around those knows that is total BS. When I see people talk about any natural muscle builder/test booster type in that way (or for that matter say their 1-DHEA/4-dhea based products are like OG prohormones) I call BS.
Unless they are actually contaminated with some androgen no product in that class would do that. I know you aren’t claiming that yourself cos let’s face it, your OG CEL PH’s were the bomb, lol Tribulus aquatics type stuff certainly wasn’t needed back then!
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thescience
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you arent going to find the data your looking for to potentially prevent you from throwing a $50 financial airball. that said, there are plenty of people who take prohormones that dont see the kind of strength increases reported here and from the ingredients successful history on the market before this release.
i disagree that there wasnt a need for a natural alternative when prohormones were available. I dont imagine a natural ingredient hits on the many fronts a prohormone does like increased blood cells, insane muscle hardness, endless endurance, mood boost and strength all at once, but to those who respond to TA, what is important is there: lots of strength and dense muscle down the road from lifting heavier. there was always a need for a massive increase in strength without the horrible side-effects that result from prohormone use.
placeebo effects are real. you know what else is real? attributing way too much power too extensively to it. Im one of these guys for whom it doesnt seem to matter how excited i am about a product. if the physiology doesnt respond to it, I get no benefit. I cant tell you how many times i thought the next release was going to be "the one" only to get zero from it. and then there are products i just kind of force myself to take that end up consistently providing benefits, sometimes after i had mistaking attributed the benefit to some other supplement i was starting at the time
AM polling years ago revealed that 1 in 4 people didnt respond to (a smaller dosage) of Tribulus Aquaticus, so there is never going to be a guarantee it will work for you, but yeah back then most people recommended it at a comparatively more hefty pricetag for it's day
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Maximiliaan
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That’s the thing. If there’s no data why would you take something at all? I mean look at how many people complain about ingredients where the data isn’t deemed good enough (in vitro, animal studies only etc) but then nobody bats an eyelid at ingredients with zero evidence of working, where there isn’t even a mechanism of action proposed.
Maximiliaan
Member
Which specific question do you think is wrong?
sammpedd88
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If you don’t like something about this product or any other product then don’t take it. Plain and simple. I for one have taken Prime and I like the supplement very much.
thescience
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why take something without assurances it works for 5 out of 10 people? because i wanted to get jacked. that happened, by the way. today im 44 and im still jacked because i took chances with natural supplements nobody knew enough about. id say that's better than having a cool story about how i used to be popping before they took prohormones away.
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Resolve10
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I think the product just isn't meant for you. There is nothing wrong with that. I'm not going to take the time to go through each specific question you asked (I just don't have the time right now), but I think you are looking at this in the wrong way (and I mean that in a way that I totally don't mean any disrespect).
Most of Steve's stuff is pretty backed by various studies or mechanisms, etc.
He also asks people what they want. People ask for Prime CONSTANTLY. Despite not being backed by a ton of hard data people still want it. Sometimes providing a product people want is all there really is to it. He had access to the actual materials from the previous product and if you re-read the very brief (which maybe should be a hint) write up he did for this you'll see some of his most vague claims for a product.
It essentially boils down to Prime was loved people wanted Prime, Steve had access to Prime, he gave it to people. If you want some in depth scientific studies on this you won't find them and again I don't fault you if that means you don't want it, there are plenty of other options out there.
sns8778
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Did you read the thread?
The reason I'm asking is that the answers to basically everything you've asked has already been answered.
Here is a copy and paste of one of my posts:
I have said since day 1 that people started asking us to offer this ingredient that there aren't hardly any studies on it, so if we brought it back and offered it, it would be based on consumer demand and the write up wouldn't be very detailed or scientific like many of our write ups are, because there just isn't that much information to go off of.
Even in terms of how it works, there is limited information on the methods of action - we made zero claims, zero hype, and there are ways that I'm even fairly certain that it works through that I didn't include in the write up bc I can't say for sure.
The feedback on Prime XT is from people that wanted us to release it and that love the ingredient; many of which have used it for a long period of time in the past when it was available.
I love how you say 'not hating' and then go on to make like 4 backhanded comments and insults in the same post.
You do realize that this isn't a new product right?
It's been out almost a year so there's a lot of feedback.
USP Prime/Precision Primal is one of the most popular sports nutrition products that there's ever been and we've had people ask us for years to bring those back and do a product like that. I've said the whole time exactly what I said above, that there aren't a lot of studies on it, so if we were to, it would be because we were being asked so much to and we listen, and want to give people what they want.
You said:
I discount any user feedback/testimonials as there are countless studies showing how placebo actions work.
It's 100% up to you what you choose to take, but it seems kind of silly to dismiss real world feedback and especially to insult people that like something, especially when you haven't even taken it yourself.
But - if you dismiss real world feedback, how does that line up with your activity in the Excelsior thread and comparing notes on which batch numbers of which spiked products feel the best?
You said:
There are people here comparing this stuff to mild prohormones and anyone who’s been around those knows that is total BS.
A lot of very reputable and very helpful members have given feedback on Prime XT, and some of them were some of the ones that had asked us to please bring the ingredient back because they liked it.
They're entitled to leave whatever feedback that they want to. You're not in the gym with them or following them around in day to day life to know how well something helps them or works for them.
If you don't believe feedback, cool; but don't insult people that try to help others by providing it.
You said:
I want to know if this is just hoping for the best/capitalising off what usp labs did
There was over a decade of feedback on the ingredient before we ever offered it, so no, that wasn't hoping for the best because there was plenty of feedback to go off of.
And no, offering people a product that they asked us for when the ingredient/product wasn't currently available isn't capitalizing off of anything - its listening to our customers and giving them what they asked for.
USP Labs Prime and Precision Research Primal were both extremely popular products.
People asked us to offer one, we did - Prime XT.
We offer a wide variety of products - and most of them have very deep science on them. For Prime XT, there may be a lack of science, but there's a ton of real world feedback and results on the ingredient going back a decade before we ever offered it - which is why so many people asked us to please bring it back.
If someone wants products backed by super in depth science, cool, we have dozens of them.
Science is awesome, studies are great, but what the average person cares about is results.
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Maximiliaan
Member
I appreciate the response cos yeah I only read a few of the posts here about results and not the whole thread.
Maybe I came off the wrong way but I actually grabbed a bottle of this and started it on Friday. I’m taking 8 a day fwiw.
The thing is, my questions would stand still but it seems it boils down to hoping there is something in there which is not there in regular Tribulus and which promotes effects similar to testosterone which is why I was querying the Prohormone angle.
You’re right that real world feedback and studies don’t always correlate. NM excelsior, I could raise you hyperdrive, craze, slim xtreme and some others in that vein but those were all stimulants with spiking going on, nobody would dispute that I don’t think.
So they aren’t the best examples to draw on to say Prime isn’t science based but has results behind it. I mean we are talking about USP Labs here who were the guys behind several problematic products, who were shown to lie about their ingredients. For all anyone knows the original Prime they loved was just some designer anabolic with minimal suppressive effects, perfect for libido, strength, and muscle if you used it for a short period of time.
I’m not saying that’s the case at all, I’m just saying nobody should believe a word about what usp labs said their different products contained.
Joshlm69
Well-known member
FYI prime took 3 weeks to kick in for me, so I would advise waiting patiently before potentially coming back into the thread screaming hail mary
Maximiliaan
Member
Haha fingers crossed
Joshlm69
Well-known member
Add in M-Test and you're golden
sns8778
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There is no comparison between this and Tribulus Terrestris.
Copy and paste from post #11:
Tribulus Aquaticus and Tribulus Terrestris are completely different.
This is one of those weird cases where two herbs may sound similar in name, but aren't related at all.
I don't follow the spiked stim discussion at all - I only mentioned it bc you said that you dismiss all real world feedback bc you attribute it to placebo, yet your post history shows discussing real world feedback on batches of spiked stims. My point being that you take feedback into account on illegally spiked stim products that can vary from batch to batch - but dismiss feedback on a cGMP supplement that is the same from batch to batch and criticize reputable members for providing their feedback.
In reply to what you said about:
I mean we are talking about USP Labs here who were the guys behind several problematic products, who were shown to lie about their ingredients. For all anyone knows the original Prime they loved was just some designer anabolic with minimal suppressive effects, perfect for libido, strength, and muscle if you used it for a short period of time.
This isn't an ingredient that you use for a 'short period of time' if you want the best results out of it:
- The product starts to really kick in great between weeks 3 and 5 for most people and get better from there.
- There is no suppression - none, zero.
The only thing that has to do with USP Labs is that the same ingredient that is in Prime XT is the ingredient that was in USP Labs Prime and then in Precision Research's Primal.
You said that you just started the product yourself. I would encourage you to read the thread when you have a chance and read the feedback timeline on it.
Maximiliaan
Member
Appreciate the feedback.
Would double dosing so going to 12-16 a day speed things up cos in 3 weeks time I’m going for a 1RM on my squat so lol, I don’t want it to kick in after when I’m not gonna need it.
Also, appreciate the fact your are taking the time to answer these questions. Based on what you’ve seen/heard/experienced what exactly do you think is the mechanism of action? Similar to plant steroids like laxogenin, turkesterone, ecdysterone etc?
Fwiw, I’ve gotten good results off those but only when there’s been the right potency/absorption considerations factored in etc.
Would double dosing so going to 12-16 a day speed things up cos in 3 weeks time I’m going for a 1RM on my squat so lol, I don’t want it to kick in after when I’m not gonna need it.
Also, appreciate the fact your are taking the time to answer these questions. Based on what you’ve seen/heard/experienced what exactly do you think is the mechanism of action? Similar to plant steroids like laxogenin, turkesterone, ecdysterone etc?
Fwiw, I’ve gotten good results off those but only when there’s been the right potency/absorption considerations factored in etc.
sns8778
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I've never taken that high of a dose on it, so I would have to defer to others that may have to answer that. I know that some people love higher dosages of it, but I don't know if that makes it kick in for them any faster.
Some people start to see gradual increases within the first couple of weeks, but most people really feel Prime XT kick in in weeks 3 thru 5 and results get consistently better from there. I've always told people that based off of feedback, I would say that for anyone using it to plan to use at least 2 bottles to see how they like it.
I don't think its method of action is in any way close to any of those that you mentioned. The results, the feeling, just everything about it is different from those and I wouldn't even think of them in the same realm as this.
If you are looking for something that is kind of an as needed strength boost, a lot of people love high dose Amentoflavone XT for that.
Segansational
Well-known member
Jury is still out on this one for me. I'm at about the 5-6 week mark probably (bottle #2 of 3) and can't say I really "notice" it yet. But I recall something I think MrMuscle(?) once said, that basically these natty products are more noticeable when you STOP taking them. So, we'll see. Although I don't recall much from the USP Labs version when I took it either, so also coule be that maybe I just don't respond well. Not making any specific claims either way just yet.
Dustin07
Legend
Anabolic Effect and Anabolic XT I don't "feel" but I notice my workouts are better and strength is usually maintained while on a cut, or boosted when in maintenance or bulk. In fact I think a lot of my PRs the past 2-3 years were on A XT.
Phosphatidic XT I definitely noticed more muscle firmness all day when on it, and better pumps.
More pumps with XPG Pump Gel and XPG Carnitine.
Deeper voice and libido boost with Alpha Gel.
Deeper voice and libido with M Test
Somehow slightly calmer overall with cardiovascular support xt.
so generally... I'm not sure any natty product has had a major mood impact on me but these ones in particular have definitely been strong contributors in overall life, gym etc. Focus XT I did really like for cleaner morning energy over jittery crappy coffee.
KimChee75
Member
I stand by my posts of massive strength increases using Prime and A1. My bench press is up 35 lbs. I hit 365 on bench press last week (405 ATH), which I haven’t touched in years. All major compound lifts are way up and I have seen dense muscle growth in key areas due to the strength increases. I’m currently taking Prime, A1, Lean Edge, and Recomp20. I might drop the Prime as summer comes closer and replace it with M-Test and increase my A1 dosage to 2 caps a day.
sns8778
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It's fine to take them at the same time, I think that's what most people do and what I'm going to be doing myself as soon as I get back working out consistently.
KimChee75
Member
I take them both at once especially pre workout.
Mixelflick
Active member
"Tribulus aquatics type stuff certainly wasn’t needed back then!" - Referring to the PH era
This may be the most relevant point in this discussion.
I would argue that "Trib Aquaticus type stuff" was precisely what was needed during that era. Why? Because as a whole generation of kids found out, PH gains were fleeting. Virtually none of them retained the "muscle" they gained, and they were unquestionably worse off prior to starting. A crippled endocrine system being just one of the reasons. Acne, compromised liver and kidney function and high blood pressure were also fairly common. Especially those using the extremely popular M1T, Superdrol and Trenadrol type products.
In fact, a "mild anabolic" is precisely what was needed then (and in most cases, what's needed today too).
They also wound up worse off in another way: They never learned how to build muscle naturally. Thus, they sacrificed their overall potential (due to never maxing out their natural, God given genetics).
Had a mild anabolic been available then (or pushed harder), we wouldn't have these problems - which persist to this day. I never used Prime or the SNS product BTW, so can't offer my 2 cents. The concept however is quite valid, and a far more responsible approach vs. digging up obscure anabolics from the Vida texts. If we had more companies doing so, there'd be a lot more (real) muscle in the world.
This may be the most relevant point in this discussion.
I would argue that "Trib Aquaticus type stuff" was precisely what was needed during that era. Why? Because as a whole generation of kids found out, PH gains were fleeting. Virtually none of them retained the "muscle" they gained, and they were unquestionably worse off prior to starting. A crippled endocrine system being just one of the reasons. Acne, compromised liver and kidney function and high blood pressure were also fairly common. Especially those using the extremely popular M1T, Superdrol and Trenadrol type products.
In fact, a "mild anabolic" is precisely what was needed then (and in most cases, what's needed today too).
They also wound up worse off in another way: They never learned how to build muscle naturally. Thus, they sacrificed their overall potential (due to never maxing out their natural, God given genetics).
Had a mild anabolic been available then (or pushed harder), we wouldn't have these problems - which persist to this day. I never used Prime or the SNS product BTW, so can't offer my 2 cents. The concept however is quite valid, and a far more responsible approach vs. digging up obscure anabolics from the Vida texts. If we had more companies doing so, there'd be a lot more (real) muscle in the world.
KimChee75
Member
I’ve had a nice 4 month run on Prime XT, I think I’ll cycle off for a bit and hopefully don’t lose too much strength. I’m trying to cut back on my supplement budget wanna keep it around $150 a month on performance items, not including staples fish oil, ZMA, Myogenix Myovite, MCC, Cissus XT. Will probably keep Recomp 20, Alpha One at one cap a day, Lean Edge, and Basis. Might slip some Mtest in at some point.
KimChee75
Member
I’ve been off Prime a couple weeks now, definitely notice a decrease in my overall ability to do more volume, and that strange drive that lets me do more capacity. I do have less of that Alpha feeling, but I do feel less annoyed at little things in general lol. I mentioned it before and a couple others said they had slightly increased aggravation, but nothing too terrible. I’ll get it back in the rotation, but I want to try a few other supplements.
timmy8889
New member
Anybody frontload this for the first bottle or second bottle at 9 or 12 caps a day then go to recommend dose after? Not sure anybody knows if 'saturating' prime actually helps any, just seeing if anyone experimented this way and what's their findings were? Picked up 4 bottles of prime xt and still debating on how to go about dosing it.
If all goes well I will add to my year round supplement.
If all goes well I will add to my year round supplement.
timmy8889
New member
@Resolve10 did you stay at 6 caps throughout your prime xt run?
GQdaLEGEND
Legend
6 works best for me ( budget wise too )
my cousin loves 9 caps too .. doing 9 on workout days and 6 on non workout and says is quite pleased with it
how did you dose your 9 ?
Joshlm69
Well-known member
9 All pre no fking around xD
timmy8889
New member
That 9 workout 6 non seems like a great middle ground, in a four month run that's a little over an extra bottle * at 5 work out days a week.
I do appreciate the recommended dosage route as well.
GQdaLEGEND
Legend
haha nice
yeah the 9-6caps program will save you in a long run
i might stop fking around and dose all 6 pre now lol
Joshlm69
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chuck in some Uro-B and hit some filthy PB's
thescience
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Just wondering of there’s a memorial day sale on the way