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What's good AM folks? I would like to thank Mr. Yates and Premier oils for providing my ectodragon some cutting edge research compound, Super-Diol!

This is the precursor to S-drol with a diol group.

Capsules come in 16mg format, so tolerance assessment for dragon will start with one capsule, PWO daily, for now.

More on this very soon.

I should note he just finished an actual 2-week S-drol cycle, so this will be a 2/2 week split comparison. I may lengthen research to 3 weeks if needed for study of Super-diol.
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Also, my dragon weighs at 218lbs and 15.1% BF on my eat smart scale today... last day of S-drol cycle before research change.
 
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Sooooo in for this!!!!!
 
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In for sure
 
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To start this - have to say dragon's first day with Super-diol was pretty solid. 2 caps given PWO led to really good pump, like Super-drol type but harder by a good bit. And I discontinued his S-drol yesterday morning, which has ~8hr half life, so I'm pretty sure this was the Super-diol doing its thing this morning.

Felt really good, killed a back-biceps routine and was able to be strong and do short rest between sets for an hour straight. Was able to sweat evenly, like M1AD type strength boost I think too.

If this keeps up, might be my pet's new favorite! Hopefully lighter on his liver enzymes than an M1AD type PH would be. I did not do anything special, same pre workout drink with dmaa (now dmha) and creatine hcl, and only 6 hours sleep. So if this repeats a few more times, pretty sure we have a winner.

Stay tuned! Also after workout 219.6 and 15.5% BF on the eat smart scale today.
 
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I'm following too, very interested.
 
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interesting. looking forward to see how your dragon responds.
 
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Its 10pm, ectodragon still has a solid fullness or pump most all day, but will know more after next few workouts, in a week or so. There's not a lot of research on this compound. It was launched briefly once known as Celtic Labs Mass.

Already being a diol precursor to Super-drol, what is the conversion rate? Any activity for the diol compound itself? Half life?

I noticed dragon's midday pee was nice and brighter orange, yes he hydrates reasonably well, but perhaps switch of compound? Otherwise, its definitely a methylated PH lol.

Also, running Novla at 10mg to 20mg daily during research to combat first case of gyno type lump under right nip... started before this cycle during last PCT.

And because of this... upping my PCT and cycle support game. Realized OTC SERM and AI screwed me a bit.

Anyone want to buy my Lecheek nutrition cycle armors and Ad-3 PCT armistane bottles?

I am moving my pet to all pharma SERM (novla, ralox) and AI (exemestane) and CEL cycle assist and more TUDCA. I think i can crush his slightly elevated liver levels post cycle. And kill his first right nip rebound gyno lump or flare up.

Already sold my BLR Rebirth bottles, bunk OTC SERM that did nothing to speed up restart of test production... nothing comparable to Novla - according to blood work.

Also, I dont think previous TUDCA level of 500mg daily was not enough nor the 2 caps of Lecheek cycle armor - gave enough NAC or Milk thistle... when looking at other cycle support complexes.

Good product, but underdosed, need to double the serving for pet to take 4 caps... at that point Lecheeck price point is less attractice than CEL, Olympus, Iron mag labs for good cycle support complexes. Other complexes seem more complete as well.
 
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And i would say first thing i am noticing about 32mg of Superdiol given to my dragon pre workout, is the rather hard and skin splitting pumps.

Like holy cow, day 2 repeated day 1. The purerawz S-drol was a good lean mass gainer, good overall fullness and decent strength at 25mg.

But, Super-diol seems more potent? Perhaps has activity on its own, regardless of conversion? Like my ability to go the distance on sets is up even compared to Sdrol. And hard skin splitting pumps.

Dragon notes so far feels almost as strong as Super Dmz 2.0 and this allows for extra muscle confusion sets i normally dont get to. I can see why Celtic Labs called this mass.

Weight update to come, surplus diet is same as Sdrol cycle.
 
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Weight is heading right direction, now at 221lbs and 15.5%BF.

Most the ectodragon has weighed ever and at a lean 15% BF. Culmination of 2 years work really.

End of 2 week short cycle of Super-diol is to push to 230lbs and maybe 16%BF.

Total for this comparison is 4 weeks long Super-drol / Super-Diol comparison as 2/2 week bridged solo cycles.

After this cycle plan is to PCT on Novla and SR9009. Once ectodragon has leaned out to say 210 and 13%BF, go back to gainz land once again for more research. I think that's gonna be 7-Alpha Ace for pre workout oral + S-drol or even German Pharma M-drol. Then switch to LGD or RAD for research... I know LGD -4033 is sure fire for my pet like DMZ, but itching to try other goodies in my research stash.

After all that, Osta and PCT again, and back to wash rinse repeat.

BTW props to both Elite Labs USA and Muscletech for their Mass Gainer products, are legit. And Grenade Carb Killa bars are 2nd to none. I also like Muscletech's creactor product and their 5-atp (muscle builder) seems to help to for end of set endurance.
 
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Sunday was an off day. Dragon still noticed a nice fullness, hardness from Super-diol most of the day even not training.

Ectodragon woke Monday AM, pretty drained from new dad life....and still did a solid dumbbell chest, and diamond pushups routine with other calisthenics.

On the scale still at 220lbs and just under 15% BF. Good.

Taken pre workout gives hecka good pump and strength.

And on we march.
 
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Happy Humpday AM folks!

Baby girl dragon is now over 1 yr old and starting to be wiened from mama, so extra crying and midnight walks for dad. Regardless at the gym at 7AM training with my pet ectodragon and did bicep and back routine with 10 min light cardio warmup for good pace on elliptical. Overtraining and speed between sets or super setting was nice.

Sitting around 219lbs and 15-16% BF over the past couple days off before, will update weight later this week. Have one more week on cycle before I have to take a business trip to Japan and start dragon's PCT for 4+ weeks. This would be a total 2+2 week S-drol vs. Superdiol, direct bridge comparison. I may do a part two with Superdiol log on here as well and combine some PRE 7 Alpha Ace oral as preworkout boost.

Really like the all day hardness, fullness, and solid strength component solo so far. Makes it easier for pet to push deep on incline leg press or squat or preacher curl, etc. Next time with 7 alpha ace PWO should really be fun.

So it is similar to Superdrol in some regards, my pet is also now getting minor lethargy as one gets toward end of 3-4 weeks on methyl PH. Even with increased TUDCA to 750mg and extra cycle support caps, toward end of long cycles I guess the liver stress builds a bit and urine darkens some. My pet's urine is now at a lovely yellow-orange color, lol.

More to come this next week before travel for work. I plan to push his dose to 3 caps per day or 48mg of Super-diol for the last week and really up TUDCA to 1g daily for dragon's dose.

I should also mention dragon been running 20mg Tamoxifen citrate daily which is killing right nip gyno type lump nicely too, got before this research.

I dislike the other Ad thread where M+M pushes some OTC junk when a real SERM should be in everyones emergency locker. I know, after 6-7 cycles my pet is fighting off new rebound gyno, cause OTC armistane and BLR Rebirth was ineffective as AI/SERM combo.
 
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Quick weight update, seem to still be gaining at 222.4 lbs and 17% BF. So much like the end of other methyl PH cycles start adding a bit of water/fat. I've also allowed my pet cheat foods past couple days.
 
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Stepped up dragon's dose to 3 caps or 48mg of Super-diol this morning. He and I did a shoulders routine together, but due to long cycle and dad chores was feeling achy. Decided to go medium weights and focus on contraction of muscle and form through sets, trying to feel better. Baby dragon is having some valkyrie like screams at night, wiening is fun. I nearly fell asleep between hard sets of seated shoulder raises on the hammer strength machine.

It's been a good long run, looking forward to some travel, rest, and PCT after research for dragon pet. He did 5-6 weeks cycle, short two week PCT then another 4-5 weeks to finish up this comparison. A long PCT is due soon for him. Going to finish another solid week until next Wed / Thursday and close this 1st Sujper-diol log.

Also, i will try and remember very hard to get post cycle blood work for my pet (right after end of cycle) and then again 4-6 weeks after, before next research begins. I will share what I can.
 
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Ectodragon weight is still climbing 225lbs and 17.3% BF. Pretty cool.

48mg or 3caps of Super-diol feels good, solid fullness well into evening for my pet. working well with Novla at 20mg ED.

http://prohormonedb.com/view-ingredients.asp?n=2a,17a-dimethyl-5a-androstane-3,17b-diol+(Superdrol+precursor)&i=276

So bulk cycle win and killing first gyno flare up same time, win.

My pet should ger close to 230lbs by end of cycle, want to trim him back to 210-215lbs and 12-13% BF in PCT.

Then run superdiol stacked with 7 alpha ace pwo oral next time perhaps.
 
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Glad to hear all of this and will have to give dude a holler and snag a bottle. Also contemplating desoxy run. Time will tell as current infection has me benched and shrinking.

Thx for steady input and please* post bloods, would love to see cholesterol. Liver will calm down and I just buy a bottle or two of nac/glutathione, tudca & milk thistle. That way I can adjust as needed. "Vitamins because you're worth it" on ebay is actually a decent brand w high mg and high cap count. Been happy with all their stuff so far and used quite a few different ones. Just figured I'd toss it in there. Cheap nac.
 
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Anyone mind commenting on my pet's PCT?

He has already started Novla at 20mg ED due to right nip flare up... seems to be reducing. Should continue or switch to Raloxifene.in PCT?

For start of PCT, plan on adding light 10mg Osta dose, which maybe a mistake, but it doesnt feel suppressive to him even at 20mg. Maybe use that to preserve muscle and drop fat while traveling in Japan week 1 of 4 of PCT...

Then weeks 2-4 drop Osta and run on Novla or Ralox SERM only. Not sure if he should switch go Ralox, maybe crush right nip flare faster?

Other things to help with PCT continue running Mk-677 and maybe get some PRE transdermal SR9009?

Continue liver cleanse and support supps into PCT until bloods show all clear.
 
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And weight update this AM on morning off, dragon remaining at increased 3 caps or 48mg. Fullness is increased with dose and he now sits at 225.8lbs and 17.5%BF according to my eat smart scale.

Dragon notes would say 3 caps ar 48mg feels like a high dose of S-drol 25-30mg roughly. And again, we dont know conversion rate of Suoerdiol to drol, nor if the diol precursor has its own oral activity on its own?

Will def be back for 2nd and 3rd bottles though, first solid post ban dmz alternative for pet research.

Have to note both Sdrol and Superdiol increase his appetite to a very high level. So much so i have been fighting acid reflux if i don't down milk, yogurt, cereal, or breads, etc... aside from normal meals and protein bars - every 3 hours roughly! Like 11pm and 3am snacks are mandatory now.
 

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So I've gotta ask, how long do you take off between cycles? Because I've seen some of your other logs/posts and it seems like you're always running something different and in a relatively short period of time. For example your diendiol cycle started exactly a month ago today, and you're already 2 or 3 weeks into this cycle.
 
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So I've gotta ask, how long do you take off between cycles? Because I've seen some of your other logs/posts and it seems like you're always running something different and in a relatively short period of time. For example your diendiol cycle started exactly a month ago today, and you're already 2 or 3 weeks into this cycle.
Yeah this was a longer cycle for my pet, he started with a non methyl (dien-diol TD) for a first cycle then bridged to a stronger 2+2 weeks of S-drol + S-diol direct comparison.

But ectodragon is due, next week for a longer PCT directly after this research.

If you are scanning my other posts, yes he did a short 3 week PCT (with bloods) after a longer DMZ to LGD run, before these research cycles mentioned above.

Again, precisely why my pet is due for a longer PCT now. I'll post my recocery blood markers of note, if anything is unusual.
 

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Yeah this was a longer cycle for my pet, he started with a non methyl (dien-diol TD) for a first cycle then bridged to a stronger 2+2 weeks of S-drol + S-diol direct comparison.

But ectodragon is due, next week for a longer PCT directly after this research.

If you are scanning my other posts, yes he did a short 3 week PCT (with bloods) after a longer DMZ to LGD run, before these research cycles mentioned above.

Again, precisely why my pet is due for a longer PCT now. I'll post my recocery blood markers of note, if anything is unusual.
Gotcha! I've just seen a few posts around as I browse and I had to ask. Best of luck finishing out this cycle and with the recovery! Your pet certainly made a lot of progress.
 
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Gotcha! I've just seen a few posts around as I browse and I had to ask. Best of luck finishing out this cycle and with the recovery! Your pet certainly made a lot of progress.
Thanks much appreciated! You bigger fellas pets will want to start at 2 caps and then goto 3 caps (32mg to 48mg) of Superdiol.

Today is an off day and he has an arm pump just sitting at my desk on 3 caps taken early AM (now lunch). Seems to have fairly long half life like Sdrol.

Superdiol makes my dragon want to flex and stretch, feels good. Happy Friday all!

Next goals, work on shred and peaks during PCT, before next bulk run.

I do like the longer PH >> SARM >> PCT cycles one can arrange to space out the liver stress and keep gainz.
 
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Had to end this research a day or two early, stopped at 224 lbs and 16.5% BF as my pet is getting to sore and lethargic end of 4 weeks of heavy training plus new dad house chores and business stress.

Look forward to a 2nd Super diol run, in the spring 2018! Next weekend I'll be in Japan starting Novla based PCT.

Pretty good results for 2 weeks of purerawz Super-drol followed by a little shy of 2 weeks of PRE Super-diol. Up almost 15 pounds. Superdiol pump feeling is pretty consistent, i like.

I'll try and get blooda this week to post here in a bit.
 
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Part two of this research to commence after Novla based PCT and Osta cut, have another 4-5 weeks to go. Maybe christmas research after travel for new year will be Premier Oils MSten and Superdiol caps, followed by Sarmspharm LGD-4033 bridge, to PCT. And Osta cut, repeat. Grow.

And still have some PRE 7 alpha ace to throw at this at some point for pwo booster next cycle of research. Also a few bottles of M-drol and Epi 20 from GP For the spring and summer research too. Fun :)

My dragon is now leaning out at 216lbs and 14.2% BF in PCT. Japan travel with high stress tech and business meetings and not enough time and family style Japan team lunches, drinks, meant he was running deficit on the go to for 4-5 days. Jet lag twice, heck of a way to start PCT.

Back home and training now again with ectodragon before next trip 1st week of Dec.
 
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PCT update - going into 5th week of PCT. Pet's Blood tests just done showed all kidney, cholesterol, HPTA and general health markers were fine... except ALT is still a bit elevated now at 111.

My ectodragon had research cycled a bit too much with short quick SERM 3-4 PCTs, now time for a long one. Wish I'd gotten zero-day PCT bloods, not just the 1+ month post check I just did. Letting go of Lecheek cycle armor - weak underdosed. CEL cycle assist or or Olympus Ar1macare pro from now on and extra TUDCA up and NAC too. Way more hydration again, make a mission to pound water.

Will def use S-diol again, saved other half bottle for dragon's M-Sten comparison stack research. Even with lighter lifting and Osta and then PCT now, with Novla... right now pretty stable at 211lbs and 14.2% BF. I bet travel to Japan drops me to 205 and 11-12% next week, we'll see.

Then starting up with PRE Dien-Diol again for my pet and also now adding Brawn Furaza 50 and perhaps pure rawz 4-AD as a warm up to oral Trest (Ment, 7 alpha ace) from PRE as well. Test base time!

Lean gain 4 week non methyl cycle and perhaps Methyl addition with 7 alpha ace at the end, maybe room for Epi 20 from German Pharma in here too.

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Also a historical graph of my ALT pre cycles and now with cycling a bit too fast.
 

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what is alt? And I thought PCT was typically 4 weeks?
 
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Yeah, anyone utilizing advanced body building chemicals with their research pets, needs to do the blood work (SARMS, PH, or AAS). All of these steroid like molecules have some effect on animals key health markers, even if only temp stress. And one should know, can't do research without the tests :).

And PCT is typically 4 weeks, but really should be based on recovery of health markers determine by blood tests post cycle.

For example my pets liver ALT is still elevated 5th week in, so we need to wait and keep up liver cleanse post cycle (recommend anyway) and let PCT go 6-8 weeks until all health markers are back to normal.

Also, my pet's free test is back to 60pg/mL, good, gonads are back on... But total test for my pet is still low. This means T-levels are supressed on PH cycles and my Novla (tamoxifen citrate) is legit as his free test is boosted, but total test is still low from cycling and too short PCT between.

I think we all want to extend or "stay on" so PCT is often cut short, and I bet switching ones HPTA on/off like a light is how we wind up at needing TRT before hitting our 60s - without some other medical reason.
 
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Good Idea to wait and get that liver in good shape again.
 
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Good Idea to wait and get that liver in good shape again.
Might be the Novladex! It's somewhat hepatoxic it seems. I posted on another thread about it. I stopped while I was in Japan and pee finally is now light yellow almost clear again.
 
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Might be the Novladex! It's somewhat hepatoxic it seems. I posted on another thread about it. I stopped while I was in Japan and pee finally is now light yellow almost clear again.
It’s nowhere near toxic enough to worry about. Women with cancer are put on this drug for extended periods of time with no adverse effects.
 
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It’s nowhere near toxic enough to worry about. Women with cancer are put on this drug for extended periods of time with no adverse effects.
Well for now I am using Exemestane AI and that seems to help also now that research includes Test E base now to combat gyno sides.
 
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Might want to try Test E and Superdiol research at some point with my other half bottle, and have enough S-Drol as well. After 2 years cycling methyl PHs need to rest the pet's liver and stay IM for awhile lol.
 

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