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Pre-workout?

dcoen21

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If antioxidants and anti inflammatories are supposed to be dosed away from training why do so many companies promote or have products that contain them in pre workout or intra workout products? This seems to be one thing I can’t figure out some say it’s ok some say it’s not most studies I have read have been in vitro and no in vivo.
 
I've noticed this too. I think, first off, it is safe to say that not all preworkouts and their formulators know or care about that. And I would say maybe 3 in 100 preworkout consumers might question this. I have heard Derek from MorePlatesMoreDates explain why he doesn't put Vitamin C in his Gorilla Mode pre. His reason makes sense, but Vitamin C can also help get things absorbed, so does it's positive benefits outweight the negatives? To me, most antioxidants or things that fight inflammation are pointless in a pre, because, in a pre, you want things that will give you an edge for the next few hours.

To take a step back, I always ask: will this preworkout/ingredient give me a boost during my workout? There are a TON of "preworkout" ingredients that have no acute benefits- so I ask, why put it in a pre? This includes: creatine, beta alanine, betaine, BCAAs, etc. These are ergogenic ingredients and should be taken every day to have cumulative benefits. They CAN be taken pre, but I don't see the point. Use ingredients in a preworkout that have acute benefits (something that provides a boost for the next few hours). This includes: caffeine, PEA, NO boosters (citrulline, nitrates, nitrosigine, VASO6), sodium, choline boosters.

Just my opinion :)
 
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I hope not just trying to figure out why let say vitamin c is in a pre workout without any nitrates in the formula? Or why is epicatechin is in some pres, I’m just trying to understand why they are put in as from my understanding they do the opposite of what most pres are meant to start the process for building muscle or at least put us in the right frame of mind to trigger anabolism.
 
I don’t think that’s the purpose of most pre’s; The purpose of most pre’s is energy and pump which they can provide. My guess is that it’s minimal anti inflammatory and at a lot of the doses it probably doesn’t make a difference. I have never seen or experienced an issue with it.
 
dcoen21 said:
I hope not just trying to figure out why let say vitamin c is in a pre workout without any nitrates in the formula? Or why is epicatechin is in some pres, I’m just trying to understand why they are put in as from my understanding they do the opposite of what most pres are meant to start the process for building muscle or at least put us in the right frame of mind to trigger anabolism.
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The answer for the most part is that its a sales pitch.

There are a lot of people that just look at pre-workouts for 'key words' - ingredients that they've heard of or are familiar with, if that makes sense.

That's why there are so many ingredients commonly put into pre-workouts that really need to be used daily for best results. A good example is one that you just mentioned - Epicatechin. I love Epicatechin but you need to use it daily for best results, and at a dosage that's higher than commonly put into pre's anyway.

I think though that also most people don't think of a pre-workout as starting anything regarding muscle building, they view them as just for energy and pumps. I'm not saying that they shouldn't view them the way you're explaining, I just don't think that most do. Plus, most ingredients that trigger anabolism are things that would need to be taken daily.
 
sns8778 said:
The answer for the most part is that its a sales pitch.

There are a lot of people that just look at pre-workouts for 'key words' - ingredients that they've heard of or are familiar with, if that makes sense.

That's why there are so many ingredients commonly put into pre-workouts that really need to be used daily for best results. A good example is one that you just mentioned - Epicatechin. I love Epicatechin but you need to use it daily for best results, and at a dosage that's higher than commonly put into pre's anyway.

I think though that also most people don't think of a pre-workout as starting anything regarding muscle building, they view them as just for energy and pumps. I'm not saying that they shouldn't view them the way you're explaining, I just don't think that most do. Plus, most ingredients that trigger anabolism are things that would need to be taken daily.
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Thanks for the reply I love epi and take it daily my main question is should I take it pre workout I only ask because of this.
 
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dcoen21 said:
Thanks for the reply I love epi and take it daily my main question is should I take it pre workout I only ask because of this.
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Ah. My above statement was more in regards to I think its senseless that some brands put Epicatechin in a pre-workout to begin with because it needs to be used daily for best results.

If you're asking if the antioxidant effect of Epicatechin means that you shouldn't dose it pre-workout, then no, it doesn't matter. It is not going to exert so much of an effect that it would be counterproductive to a workout.

(Delete your link - not allowed to post outside links here to there - don't want you to get in trouble).
 
sns8778 said:
Ah. My above statement was more in regards to I think its senseless that some brands put Epicatechin in a pre-workout to begin with because it needs to be used daily for best results.

If you're asking if the antioxidant effect of Epicatechin means that you shouldn't dose it pre-workout, then no, it doesn't matter. It is not going to exert so much of an effect that it would be counterproductive to a workout.

(Delete your link - not allowed to post outside links here to there - don't want you to get in trouble).
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Yea that’s what I was looking for, I got this information from a old page on here about vitamin c then it turned into antioxidants about being dosed around workouts.

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This is the original link which had the previous one I will take down now thank you.
 
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