Pre must haves?
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mase1
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Good point.
mase1
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Basic hypertrophy program
Jeremyk1
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Yeah this will be tough to beat for long term gains.
If you want acute performance increase, pretty much stims. Or alpha GPC. Not a lot else. Some NO boosters have potential for sure, but that will also depend on what performance you want.
sns8778
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For me, I'm training late at night right now so I don't have any stims in my pre-workout regimen.
Mine right now is:
VasoForce XT - 3 capsules - (1,000 mg. Agmatine + 600 mg. VASO6 + 100 mg. S7 + 50 mg. Senactiv + 50 mg. AstraGin)
Recovery Fix - 2 caps pre/2 caps post - (1,500 mg. HICA + 600 mg. Palmitoylethanolamide + 50 mg. S7 + 50 mg. Senactiv + 50 mg. Ferulic Acid + 50 mg. AstraGin + 10 mg. Bioperine)
I wash those down with a drink I make consisting of:
Creatine HCI Powder (my go to's are rotating between Blue Raspberry Popsicle and Pink Grapefruit flavor)
Citrulline Malate - 6 grams
Betaine Anhydrous
I use Innovapharm Recover EAA as my EAA and I start sipping on it a few mins before I start and sip on it throughout. I use a higher amount of EAA's than most people, so I do 2 scoops.
If adding in carbs, which depends on my goals at the time, I mix HBCD with my Recover EAA's. I've found that Lemon HBCD goes incredibly well with the Iced Tea flavor of Recover EAA's.
I'll be adding PEAK02 back in Sunday, which I use during periods where I'm doing cardio and I plan on trying to lean out some over the next 2 months.
I'm doing a pretty comprehensive natural anabolic stack and I do take my second dose of the day of that about 30 minutes to an hour before I train, but the above is what I do pretty much all the time.
ELROCK
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This ^ is what I use for this
AwakeningAlpha
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I want to try MA Labs ProSynthesis-Build! But I am currently using BioPump'd as it is mega dosed w/ pump products and is stim free. Two other ingredients which I don't always see but really like in Pump'd are Huperzine and Mucuna. They help with the drive and dopamine during the workout and have some pump / GH benefits as well.
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I usually take Epicatechin, PA XT, creatine, salt and glycerol -as well as BCAAS / EAAS, and glutamine. Thinking I need to add Vasoforce XT or another S7 product, or beet powder.
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I usually take Epicatechin, PA XT, creatine, salt and glycerol -as well as BCAAS / EAAS, and glutamine. Thinking I need to add Vasoforce XT or another S7 product, or beet powder.
kira1357
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My favorite performance preworkout these days is Evomuse Clear Edge - it's the best non-stim nootropic I've ever used for verbal and intellectual performance as well as physical endurance and strength. I can't understand why it doesn't get more discussion here, and @dsade sells it on his website in a 2-pack that is an unbelievably good deal. I also use SNS Creatine HCl and Citrulline Malate and am waiting for my next cut to pull the trigger on MA's
sns8778
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VasoForce XT or Super Swole caps are both great options .
Which one I take depends on my goals at the time.
VasoForce XT gives me a little better results in terms of endurance and it gives great pumps
Super Swole is fantastic for pumps and muscle fullness. It is also a great product for endothelial health and a lot of people notice improved erection quality with it.
AwakeningAlpha
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I'll add them to my list of SNS products to try in my next order. Thanks Steve!
sns8778
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You're very welcome.
I think you'll really enjoy them. If you try them, let me know how you like them.
kira1357
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I'm so habituated to using them right when i roll out of bed that I forgot to even mention this combo lol
Smont
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I'm using pro-17 with 10gm creatine mono currently. I think it will indefinitely replace all my eaa/bcaa type stuff. Definitely a fan. I heard ppl say the flavor was bad, I don't find bad, just bland so I use some zero cal flavors if I use intra but mostly I just down it pre workout in 6oz of water and chase with more water
LeanEngineer
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Agree on this! Pump is very noticeable.
https://www.strongsupplementshop.com/super-swole-capsules-by-competitive-edge-labs
GreenMachineX
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I thought citrulline and cit Mal was only useful pre, other then simple reduction in blood pressure if used daily?
GreenMachineX
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Oh man. Guess I've been missing out. Thanks.
madmuscle24
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One of my favorites personally.
Jeremyk1
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I think I saw something a while back, maybe on ErgoLog, that citrulline actually did a better job preserving lean tissue during a diet than leucine. I don’t remember the details, but yeah, probably super useful with daily doses.
AwakeningAlpha
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Do those mushrooms under ingredient "Peak02" contribute to pump/bloodflow or just focus and endurance like they are normally marketed as?
AwakeningAlpha
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Really interesting. I would like to see that study if anyone finds it. Cit is one of my favorite feeling supps so I'd love an excuse to use it on rest days or up the dose on a cut. I do 10k a day via BioPump'd but usually only on workout days.
Jeremyk1
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I got lazy because I feel like people don't ever care for or read my walls of texts with study links and now you ask for it.
Dude, I would read all of it and then some if I had more time. I haven’t linked anything myself, I rarely do. That’s the biggest thing I miss about working at GNC. I ran the most painfully slow store in Indiana. Literally, I’d average like 10 customers a day in our busier seasons. During winter, I had a few times there would be like 40 for the week. But I had so much free time, I read constantly. I learned so much about supplements, but it wasn’t related to the job at all. It actually made me care less and less because I realized how much better stuff was out there. But yeah, I love reading.
Jeremyk1
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Found it. I think this is probably the most relevant part. Rat study, but still cool.
“The researchers put female rats on a two-week diet, during which they were given sixty percent of the food they'd eat if they were allowed to eat as much as they wanted. The table below shows this reduced the fat mass by a statistically significant amount [Control restricted] when compared with the rats that ate as much as they wanted [Basal control].
However, if the rats were given a dose of 1 g L-citrulline per kg bodyweight orally [R-CIT 1] before going to sleep, they retained slightly more muscle mass. The effect was not statistically significant, though. Administration of a similar amount of L-leucine - this was mixed with the rats' feed - had less effect on the muscle mass [R-LEU].”
-Ergo-Log
“The researchers put female rats on a two-week diet, during which they were given sixty percent of the food they'd eat if they were allowed to eat as much as they wanted. The table below shows this reduced the fat mass by a statistically significant amount [Control restricted] when compared with the rats that ate as much as they wanted [Basal control].
However, if the rats were given a dose of 1 g L-citrulline per kg bodyweight orally [R-CIT 1] before going to sleep, they retained slightly more muscle mass. The effect was not statistically significant, though. Administration of a similar amount of L-leucine - this was mixed with the rats' feed - had less effect on the muscle mass [R-LEU].”
-Ergo-Log
AwakeningAlpha
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How do you dose the Triton? I typically do 5 pumps 1-2 hrs PWO alongside Epichaos, Ursa and Flashpoint. I haven't dosed the Triton alone but I think I feel things like epicatechin and citruline more(have done those alone) "beast" as a PWO/Pump product. I believe there is a benefit(ATP effect etc), but want to know if higher doses or different timing etc might sell me further on its Pump or Energy/Endurance add. Thanks!
J-Test
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I use 5’ish pumps of Triton PWO. I use Epichaos at night or first thing in AM, 10 pumps on that, never have used it PWO. Have never really ‘felt’ Epichaos. I’ve noticed when I use it consistently people are like “Man you look good” same thing with Ursa.
Triton is far less acute and more of running heavy in the background. It’s like “holy **** I was tired af when I got here but I’m still going, the more I lift the less tired I’m feeling the more I lift definitely the triton” it’s a quiet, low key power-up. Not like a Stanogen/epiandro.
similar effect from the creatine + l-citrulline combo but there’s something about Triton. I’ve ran it solo and had the same effect achieved with creatine and l-cit. the three together are a trifecta of madness. This is all anecdotal and could be placebo. I’m ordering more triton now on my subscription
Triton is far less acute and more of running heavy in the background. It’s like “holy **** I was tired af when I got here but I’m still going, the more I lift the less tired I’m feeling the more I lift definitely the triton” it’s a quiet, low key power-up. Not like a Stanogen/epiandro.
similar effect from the creatine + l-citrulline combo but there’s something about Triton. I’ve ran it solo and had the same effect achieved with creatine and l-cit. the three together are a trifecta of madness. This is all anecdotal and could be placebo. I’m ordering more triton now on my subscription
J-Test
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AwakeningAlpha
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Cool thanks for your answer. I like running all of it together so I was wondering what Triton was contributing. Pumps not as much but "less acute and more of running heavy in the background" and more workout energy/endurance makes sense. Definitely not a shill. I'm also going to try 10 pumps of Epichaos.
GQdaLEGEND
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CEL super swole + Creatine HCL has been pretty awesome for me
Superswole only on workout days .. and HCL everyday
Would love to add some MCC in there as well.
Superswole only on workout days .. and HCL everyday
Would love to add some MCC in there as well.
sns8778
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We have our MCC powder back in production now so we should have it back available within the next month or so.
LeanEngineer
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Same here. I miss some of the old CL products!
Jeremyk1
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Magnesium creatine chelate. Also known by the brand name MagnaPower. Literally creatine bonded to magnesium. Sold by Albion, one of the premier mineral companies out there. There’s research showing improvements in power output over creatine on its own. Better absorption, less bloating.
sns8778
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We make Creatine HCI and Magnesium Creatine Chelate.
Magnesium Creatine Chelate has been out of stock, but should be back in within the next month.
I don't think that there's a clear cut thing where one is better than the other, as one person may like one better and the next person may like the other one better.
The only scenario where I would say that one is necessarily better is that I do think Magnesium Creatine Chelate may be better for explosive strength output - so people using it for more athletic aspects like football, boxing, MMA, etc. may like that benefit of it.