Pre cycle bloodwork

Contopaxi

Contopaxi

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Hey guys , just about to start my PH Cycle and just wanted an opinion in relation to blood work. I went into the doctors and he was happy to check my LH, FSH, U&E , Prolactin levels , SBGH but he didn't want to test my Estrogen ( E2)


Should I go somewhere else and try and get my E2 tested before I start ? He's also checking my kidney and liver values.
 
if you need to get it checked, you can get privatemdlabs dot com to order it and then go to labcorp to get the bloodwork
 
vujade said:
if you need to get it checked, you can get privatemdlabs dot com to order it and then go to labcorp to get the bloodwork
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I don't think in Australia we have the luxury of doing that unfortunately.

I think I'm going to just get my E2 tested stand alone or a full test again next week.
 
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Strange he didn't want to... seems you'd be entitled to that info its your body.
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yeah that's what annoyed me a little.
I don't want to keep on getting separate bloods because our tests are all free over here but our Medicare system will probably come asking questions lol.

I literally have everything but E2 so I'll probably just go ahead and start.

Would 2 weeks post PCT be a good time to get bloods again
 
Ok so got my bloods back.
Everything but e2 pre cycle.
Elevated liver enzymes already... Have always had them hovering around 40 ish

This may be linked to having Epstein Barr Virus ( never knew but doctor tested and it shows )

I will be using TUDCA on cycle at 250mg a day and I have started pre loading 1-1/2 weeks out from cycle start of my gear support which I am dosing at 4 caps a day.


Ingredients per single cap

N-Acetyl-l-Cysteine - 144.5mg
Milk Thistle (Standardized to 80% Silymarin) - 96.3mg
Pantothenic Acid (Vitamin B-5) - 96.3mg
5000%Hawthorn Berry Extract (Satndardized to 1.8% Vitexin) - 86.7mg
Vitamin B-6 (Pyridoxine HCL) - 9.6mg
Saw Palmetto Extract (Standardized to 45% Fatty Acids) - 30.8mg
Celery Seed Extract (10:1) - 14.5mg
Grape Seed Extract (95% Proanthocyanidins) - 14.5mg
Policosanol - 3.9mg
Zinc Gluconate - 2.9mg

How do my other bloods look ?
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Thanks everyone I appreciate the help.
 
What PH are you using, might wanna consider using 450 mg of Tudca or more a day. 200 might not do much for you especially bc enzymes are already raised
 
Kickstart7 said:
What PH are you using, might wanna consider using 450 mg of Tudca or more a day. 200 might not do much for you especially bc enzymes are already raised
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Halo elite by Blackstone labs .
Might go with 500mg a day as my caps are 250mg each.
May even bump that up to 750mg -1g throughout
 
Contopaxi said:
Halo elite by Blackstone labs . Might go with 500mg a day as my caps are 250mg each. May even bump that up to 750mg -1g throughout
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that'd be good
 
Don't stress about your AST and ALT- it is commonly recognised that in the absence of hepatic injury symptoms elevated alanine aminotransferase (ALT) and aspartate aminotransferase (AST) can be elevated as result of resistance training. In these cases these enzymes are elevated as result of muscle cell damage.

Your urea is elevated as result of high protein turnover- urea is a terminal metabolite of protein metabolism- hence is also due to your resistance training/diet.

The government funded pathology tests (in my Australian state anyway) use labs that analyse oestradiol (E2) to a sensitivity of 85pmol/mL- I'm sure this has to do with the therapeutic guidelines we use here whereby the Medicare scheme will cover the most commonly required tests for diagnostic criteria stipulated in these guidelines.
 
furion said:
Don't stress about your AST and ALT- it is commonly recognised that in the absence of hepatic injury symptoms elevated alanine aminotransferase (ALT) and aspartate aminotransferase (AST) can be elevated as result of resistance training. In these cases these enzymes are elevated as result of muscle cell damage. Your urea is elevated as result of high protein turnover- urea is a terminal metabolite of protein metabolism- hence is also due to your resistance training/diet. The government funded pathology tests (in my Australian state anyway) use labs that analyse oestradiol (E2) to a sensitivity of 85pmol/mL- I'm sure this has to do with the therapeutic guidelines we use here whereby the Medicare scheme will cover the most commonly required tests for diagnostic criteria stipulated in these guidelines.
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Wow! Firstly thanks heaps for the awesome response and shedding some light on my results.

I'm also in Australia ( Victoria ) and when I asked my previous doctor about checking my Oestradiol he was very reluctant even after I told him my plans.
Judging by my other test results for Testosterone etc would it be safe to say my E2 should be fine ?
Or is it still always worth having a baseline to know when you're recovered ?
Sort of worried to just go in and ask for a single blood test for Oestradiol .
Thanks for responding again... Really helped ease my mind a little
 
Contopaxi said:
Wow! Firstly thanks heaps for the awesome response and shedding some light on my results. I'm also in Australia ( Victoria ) and when I asked my previous doctor about checking my Oestradiol he was very reluctant even after I told him my plans. Judging by my other test results for Testosterone etc would it be safe to say my E2 should be fine ? Or is it still always worth having a baseline to know when you're recovered ? Sort of worried to just go in and ask for a single blood test for Oestradiol . Thanks for responding again... Really helped ease my mind a little
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I would say his reluctancy would likely be due to the little association of having a males oestradiol tested under our Medicare system using our therapeutic guidelines- we don't pay for it after all.
To be honest, without experiencing high estrogen sides, it's not a huge deal anyway- I would however ask for your gonadotrophins (FSH and LH) and your TSH to be tested for your post cycle bloods- plus the same panel you've had taken now.
Keep an eye on that prolactin- it's on the high end- perhaps consider a Mucuna Pruriens/ vitamin b6 supplement for it (Growth Factor XT would work well). Elevated prolactin can hinder your recovery a bit. It would be better assessed with your post cycle bloods along with your gonadotrophins and perhaps TSH.
I would also request a PSA (prostate specific antigen) test - always wise after using an androgen.
 
furion said:
I would say his reluctancy would likely be due to the little association of having a males oestradiol tested under our Medicare system using our therapeutic guidelines- we don't pay for it after all. To be honest, without experiencing high estrogen sides, it's not a huge deal anyway- I would however ask for your gonadotrophins (FSH and LH) and your TSH to be tested for your post cycle bloods- plus the same panel you've had taken now. Keep an eye on that prolactin- it's on the high end- perhaps consider a Mucuna Pruriens/ vitamin b6 supplement for it (Growth Factor XT would work well). Elevated prolactin can hinder your recovery a bit. It would be better assessed with your post cycle bloods along with your gonadotrophins and perhaps TSH. I would also request a PSA (prostate specific antigen) test - always wise after using an androgen.
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Once again thank you for the great in depth response.

Currently just started using orange triad multi.
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Would that amount of B6 be enough or should I supplement more B6?
I'll also grab some of that Mucuna Pruriens powder probably as it looks good.
What kind of dosage would I run?
Would this be taken during my ph cycle and through pct ?
After reading it sounds like something I'll benefit from always.

I'll probably be getting my bloods done privately after my cycle so I can do it in confidence and privately without disclosing info to my GP he isn't supportive.
 
Contopaxi said:
Once again thank you for the great in depth response. Currently just started using orange triad multi. Link is to the label Invalid Link Removed Would that amount of B6 be enough or should I supplement more B6? I'll also grab some of that Mucuna Pruriens powder probably as it looks good. What kind of dosage would I run? Would this be taken during my ph cycle and through pct ? After reading it sounds like something I'll benefit from always. I'll probably be getting my bloods done privately after my cycle so I can do it in confidence and privately without disclosing info to my GP he isn't supportive.
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It certainly wouldn't hurt to supplement more b6. The form used in Growth Factor XT is pyridoxal-5-phosphate (P5P)which is essentially what your liver converts most of your supplemented pyroxidine- so taking this form can circumvent this stage of activation. There is no specific scientific evidence that indicates oral P5P (or free form b6) can decrease prolactin- however it is required for the terminal step of dopamine synthesis- which seems like a good enough reason to take it alongside your L-DOPA supplement (sourced from the Mucuna). Despite the lack of scientific evidence, I have noticed psychiatrists been prescribing it to combat side effects from dopamine depleting and blocking medications- and it also has considerable positive anecdote.
The Mucuna in Growth Factor XT and Inhibit P is standardised for L-DOPA and also contains other alkaloids which have been proposed to possess peripheral dopamine decarboxylase inhibitor activity. This allows less L-DOPA to be converted to dopamine in the blood and more to cross the blood brain barrier to be converted where it can inhibit release of prolactin at the lactotrophes. If you were to go with a bulk Mucuna powder form- you would need to get the seed form and have 5-10g daily.
There's no reason to not take the supplement throughout and in PCT- might be wise to start a week or so prior to starting your PH.

You don't take any ongoing medications?
 
furion said:
It certainly wouldn't hurt to supplement more b6. The form used in Growth Factor XT is pyridoxal-5-phosphate (P5P)which is essentially what your liver converts most of your supplemented pyroxidine- so taking this form can circumvent this stage of activation. There is no specific scientific evidence that indicates oral P5P (or free form b6) can decrease prolactin- however it is required for the terminal step of dopamine synthesis- which seems like a good enough reason to take it alongside your L-DOPA supplement (sourced from the Mucuna). Despite the lack of scientific evidence, I have noticed psychiatrists been prescribing it to combat side effects from dopamine depleting and blocking medications- and it also has considerable positive anecdote. The Mucuna in Growth Factor XT and Inhibit P is standardised for L-DOPA and also contains other alkaloids which have been proposed to possess peripheral dopamine decarboxylase inhibitor activity. This allows less L-DOPA to be converted to dopamine in the blood and more to cross the blood brain barrier to be converted where it can inhibit release of prolactin at the lactotrophes. If you were to go with a bulk Mucuna powder form- you would need to get the seed form and have 5-10g daily. There's no reason to not take the supplement throughout and in PCT- might be wise to start a week or so prior to starting your PH. You don't take any ongoing medications?
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Awesome thanks for the info will look into buying some.
No I do not take any on going meds I'm generally quite healthy except these dam liver enzymes
 
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