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PP Products and Upcoming Cut

crowbar46

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I'll be starting a 10 week cut on Mon. 2/01/10.

First 4 weeks: Formex/6-bromo + Oxy Elite Pro + Recreate

second 6 weeks: designer steroid cycle--to be determined-- + Recreate + old Gaspari Thyro Tabs


So, I need some advice on possible cycles. I was thinking:

a) Dermacrine + "tren" (pills or Tren LV)

b) Dermacrine + Super (pill or LV)

c) Dermacrine + 1-T Tren

d) Dermacrine + PheraPlex

e) 1-T Tren + Super (pill or LV)

f) Tren (pills or Tren LV) + Super


Any other suggestions? If I opt for "e" or "f", should I also add Dermacrine in order to avoid the problems associated with overly low estrogen levels--both cycles contain only non-aromatizing compounds? I swore after my last cycle--Epistane + Propadrol (Epi has anti-estrogenic effects and Propadrol is a strong AI)--I'd never do another cycle without some aromatizing compound. I felt like ****!


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G) 1T-tren + Phera (dry + wet).

Should see some solid strength gains while losing BF.

Personally i would run the thyro tabs during the cycle and save the recreate for after the cycle. Just my .02 cents.

...or go with option A.) Dermacrine and tren.

You gonna log this?
 
Monster--thanks! So many permutations possible here I hadn't even thought of that one. Yes, I might do an informal log; I don't think I'd have the time--or inclination--to do a super detailed log.

I'll let you know which one I decide to run.


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I would prefer option A... option G i don't like because I didn't like phera at all when I used it on a cut, i felt very bloated and was holding water the whole time
 
What's your experience with any of the compounds?

My personal choice would be one you've not listed, Epistane and 1-T Tren as I reacted very well to both compounds.

Otherwise Option A, but that is essentially 1-T Tren minus the pregnenolone. So 1-T Tren solo would be better IMO.

M-drol/Superdrol was awful for me but I could see it being useful in the final stages of a cut to increase strength and mass gains. Stacked with 1-T Tren (Option E) the sides would possibly be intolerable, so it's my least favourite option...however, I am contemplating a Dianabol 1-T Tren stack at some stage (after trialling the Dbol solo).

Definitely log whatever you choose though mate.
 
I understand what you're saying about the water retention...but, on the other hand a little estrogen receptor stimulation--as I suspect is happening with Phera (as it doesn't aromatize)--can make your joints feel so much better; helps with lethargy also. If some of the water retention is intramuscular it should even help with strength and anti-catabolism. After all, after the cycle you'll lose that water, so it's just psychological in terms of how it affects your look.

Then again, maybe the Phera is just too much estrogen receptor stimulation on a cut (I've never used it before). The Dermacrine will also convert to some estrogen to give the joint relief, etc. It's just, as I said earlier, that I'll never do another all non-aromatizing cycle again. The excessively low estrogen levels from such cycles just makes you fell like ****! Back when I ran cycles of AAS we always included Test in it for this very reason--even most of my cutters included Test. Ocassionally I'd do a single compound non-aromatizing cutting cycle; this way it kept the total AAS load reasonable and still allowed for some--however slight--aromatization as endogenous Test was not (I believe) completely suppressed--just nearly so.


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UK, yeah I thought about 1-T Tren and Epi but my last 2 cycles were Epi based, and while I don't subscribe to the "you'll get diminished returns if you do the same cycle back to back" idea, I did want to try some other combos.

I'm not sure I follow, You say option "a" would be like 1-T Tren without the pregnenolone, however Dermacrine contains pregnenolone whereas 1-T Tren does not. Both contain DHEA.


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i know what you mean about the joint thing bro. i tend to like some estro while on cycle to keep me and my joints feelin good. i think 1-t and phera would be real nice. and im with you on the bloat issue it will go away as soon as your in pct and you will prob look shedded. i also like the 1-t tren idea and the dermacrine/super stack.

i like these in this order.
1-ttren :439: :439: :439: :439: :439:
1-t/phera :439: :439::439: :439:
super/dermacrine :439::439::439:
trenLV:439::439:
Dermacrine + 1-T Tren:439:

i personally wouldnt run these. jmo
1-T Tren + Super (pill or LV)
Tren (pills or Tren LV) + Super
Dermacrine + "tren" (pills or Tren LV)
 
If you're looking to cut, then I would go with our Dermacrine and Tren LV here (option A). This should be a pretty potent combo to enhance overall thermogenic effect. Not that the other options are bad per se', but this would be the most effective based on your goals here, imo.

The Dermacrine will produce the powerful fatburning metabolites of 7-oxo-DHEA/7-beta-DHEA which should add a nice dynamic effect to your cut stack here.
 
Trauma, yeah I think that's what I've settled on. As a side benefit it will be a non-methylated cycle--which is nice as the last two cycles I've done were methylated.


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crowbar46 said:
Trauma, yeah I think that's what I've settled on. As a side benefit it will be a non-methylated cycle--which is nice as the last two cycles I've done were methylated.


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Sounds good, buddy. Let me know if you have any questions along the way that I can help with.

Adding in a little EndoAmp Max would be nice little adjunct as well. :)
 
I use EndoAmp during PCT and I'll be using it for the first 4 weeks of my cut (while not on cycle). Is there really any benefit to using it on cycle, as steroids either suppress cortisol production (e.g., through dopamine agonism) or inhibit its expression?


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