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PP, M-TRN, SD, Postan 4on4off

Weezy06

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Been lurking alot and just threw togethor an idea for my next cycle. It's would be 4 on 4 off 4 on 4 off with nolva for pct and all liver, cholesterol, blood pressure support, etc. I wanted the first phase to be a full on bulk with the second phase for lean mass and density.
4 Weeks 20 mg PP with 4.5mg M-TRN
4 Weeks Nolva 40/40/20/20
4 Weeks SD 20mg with Prostan 100mg
4 Weeks Nolva 40/40/20/20

Will be running milk thistle, omega 3-6-9, co q-10, ryr, hawthorn, dandelion. thinking about running some dhea in pct.

What do you guys think? any feedback would be great, positive or negative.
 
KD1 said:
Thats pretty hardcore man.
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No **** bro. I have nothing against a 4on/4off/4on/4off, I will be doing that myself, but I think it's pretty crazy to stack methyls [EDIT: I now know that methoxy-TRN isn't methylated] in the first 4on. Granted, PP & M-TRN haven't been reported to be particularly hard on the liver, but who knows what they'll do when stacked? And nolva is pretty hepatotoxic itself, so I'm a little doubtful this is a safe cycle.

How about replacing m-trn with say MAX LMG which isn't methylated and is rumoured to have been designed as a stacker for PP's little brother, Ergomax.

Moreover, M-TRN is probably one of the best cutters among designer steroids, as people have reported recomposition while attempting to bulk, even without stacking prostanozol on top.

Moremoreover, superdrol, although it is often used as a cutter because it does provide lean gains, is actually a better bulker, due to its effects being largely carb-dependent. You might feel absolutely terrible trying to cut on SD.

If you want to do stacks, I'd suggest SD & MAX or PP & MAX for your bulker, and M-TRN & Prostanozol for your cutter. Be advised that the PCT for the latter cycle might be particularly hard on your CNS and that you might need to use some mood enhancers such as serotonin precursor 5-htp, as well as st-John's wort, on top of the usual creatine, stim, anti-e, anti-cortisol, etc.
 
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Grunt76 said:
but I think it's pretty crazy to stack methyls in the first 4on. Granted, PP & M-TRN haven't been reported to be particularly hard on the liver, but who knows what they'll do when stacked?
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M-Trn is 17-A?
 
I'm not sure it's exactly 17-A, no. Although the name "Methoxy-TRN" does seem to indicate methylation. This has not been thoroughly discussed IMO, but I do believe ALRI was recommending liver protection for it. Now that you ask, I'm confused, not too sure anymore... Better safe than sorry, especially when information is lacking. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
 
Grunt76 said:
Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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I dunno, that's why I was asking. I agree on the precautionary supplementaion regardless.
 
With those numbers, not liver toxic in the actual sense IMO
 
Yeh, that's where it gets debatable. It also opens the question as to wether or not it is OK to stack this with PP. I for one, would like to see someone do it @ 10mg/3mg for a couple weeks, then get bloodwork done, then 20mg/4.5mg and more blood, etc. before jumping to conclusions.
 
bump again... would appreciate some more feedback

'm not sure it's exactly 17-A, no. Although the name "Methoxy-TRN" does seem to indicate methylation. This has not been thoroughly discussed IMO, but I do believe ALRI was recommending liver protection for it. Now that you ask, I'm confused, not too sure anymore... Better safe than sorry, especially when information is lacking. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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It's not methylated, its Methoxylated (did i make that up or is it a real word?) supposedly highly bioavailable without the liver toxicity from methylation. If Dr. D, or any of the chemistry guru's could tell me if this would be too toxic I'd appreciate it. Cycle is on hold until i find if it is safe to stack the 2 for 4 weeks.
 
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