Post epistane/epiandro/4-andro cycle bloodwork

anabolistic

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Just finished a cycle of

4-andro 500mg+ @ 12 weeks
Epiandro 600-900mg @ 12 weeks
Epistane 20/20/20/30/30/30/40/40

Blood work:

Follicle Stimulating Hormone < 1 IU/L
Luteinizing Hormone < 1 IU/L
Oestradiol < 100 pmol/L
Prolactin 156 mIU/L
Testosterone 11.5 nmol/L
SHBG re-std. 4* nmol/L
Free Testosterone 439 pmol/L
AST 52*
ALT 62*
H.D.L. Cholesterol 0.6* mmol/L
L.D.L. Cholesterol 3.7* mmol/L
Non-HDL Cholesterol 4.4*

Bloods taken 2 days into my pct, thought I would of been a lot more suppressed than that after that cycle? Oh and my SHBG is absolutely tanked too? Any ideas guys?
 
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Thats not your testosterone levels, thats your testosterone levels on 4 andro. 4 andro converts to testosterone.

If i stopped pinnig test right now and got bloodwork my total test would be about 3500, I don't know what that converts to in nmol but its 3 times the refrence range. Once the 4 andro is out your system id wager your completely tanked
 
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Your completely shutdown, FSH and LH are less then 1.
 
Thanks for clarifying that for me bro, I'm new to understanding blood work, but yeah that makes sense!

At least it shows the 4-andro was doing its job
 
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anabolistic said:
Thanks for clarifying that for me bro, I'm new to understanding blood work, but yeah that makes sense!

At least it shows the 4-andro was doing its job
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Ya it gives you a little test. Most of its benifits actually come from the estrogen it creates. If you ran the same cycle with no test or 4ad then once your test tanked so would estrogen and you would crash hard.
 
Smont said:
Ya it gives you a little test. Most of its benifits actually come from the estrogen it creates. If you ran the same cycle with no test or 4ad then once your test tanked so would estrogen and you would crash hard.
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Considering the half life of 4-AD (original) is 4 hours, two days post cycle the levels are actually pretty impressive for 500mgs a day when he was rocking epistane for 8 weeks and up to 900mgs of epiandro. It’s safe to say all this test was from 4-dhea. Currently it’s the equivalent to 326g/dl and if the half life’s are similar since 4-dhea has to convert to 4-ad… 4 hours times 5 half life’s is 20 hours. If my math checks out that’s actually really good on cycle numbers.
 
How was the cycle? Long time to run a methyl…Hope you’re on a serm now.

Was that andro the giant, for the 4 andro ?
 
Rad83 said:
How was the cycle? Long time to run a methyl…Hope you’re on a serm now.

Was that andro the giant, for the 4 andro ?
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Felt pretty good, kept my appetite through the cycle, ran 500mg tudca, 1200mg nac, taurine for the pumps the basics like multivitamin, fish oil etc.

Ran oral and alpha four TD, epiandro oral and td

Running Clomid, cel m-test, cel ecdy, mk677
 
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Ya it gives you a little test. Most of its benifits actually come from the estrogen it creates. If you ran the same cycle with no test or 4ad then once your test tanked so would estrogen and you would crash hard.
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Yeah I can imagine I would of felt like trash after a while. To me 4-andro seems like a good idea for anyone not wanting to pin, if you can afford it and aren't afraid of spending a little cash to run it at decent dosages!
 
anabolistic said:
I started at 94kg, the end of cycle I was sitting around 100kg.. 2 weeks into my PCT I'm at 98kg
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how have you been feeling on pct ?
good luck w/ recovery
 
GQdaLEGEND said:
how have you been feeling on pct ?
good luck w/ recovery
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I'm feeling great! Strength is still up, definitely don't have that same recovery as "being on", don't have that all day fullness from the glycogen obviously which I miss haha gonna get some more bloods done when I get back from work just see how I'm looking, already planning my next cycle similar to this, looking at running nano-msten, alpha four, icon one and maybe some epiandro thrown in there and probably just keep mk677 going through this pct and next cycle for the GH/IGF-1
 
So just had bloods done about 2 weeks into PCT

Testosterone 1.2** nmol/L
SHBG re-std. 6* nmol/L
Free Testosterone 41** pmol/L
AST 63* U/L
ALT 83* U/L
Follicle Stimulating Hormone 2 IU/L (2 - 18)
Luteinizing Hormone 1 IU/L (< 6)
Oestradiol < 100 pmol/L (< 150)
Prolactin (mIU/L) 109 mIU/L (45 - 375)
Cholesterol 4.9 mmol/L < 5.6
H.D.L. Cholesterol 0.8* mmol/L > 0.9
L.D.L. Cholesterol 3.7* mmol/L < 3.1
Non-HDL Cholesterol 4.1* mmol/L < 4.1

My testosterone is in the damn toilet! Liver enzymes still elevated and cholesterol out of wack just a bit!
 
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WickedWarlock said:
Considering the half life of 4-AD (original) is 4 hours, two days post cycle the levels are actually pretty impressive for 500mgs a day when he was rocking epistane for 8 weeks and up to 900mgs of epiandro. It’s safe to say all this test was from 4-dhea. Currently it’s the equivalent to 326g/dl and if the half life’s are similar since 4-dhea has to convert to 4-ad… 4 hours times 5 half life’s is 20 hours. If my math checks out that’s actually really good on cycle numbers.
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Dosent work like that, just cus the half life is short dosent mean test levels drop that fast. Also epiandro does not convert to test so yes it was definitely from the 4. Most of the bloods i seen on 4andro were on 220-330mg/day and test levels were 300-500 so you guys are both on par with the norm for how 4 andro treated you.

Fun fact. While 4 andro typically cant give anyone high test levels. ive seen ppl add 4 andro to there trt and test still goes up another 300-500points over there trt. We had a older member who passed away but he posted bloods for that and i saw it first hand last year with my cousin
 
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anabolistic said:
So just had bloods done about 2 weeks into PCT

Testosterone 1.2** nmol/L
SHBG re-std. 6* nmol/L
Free Testosterone 41** pmol/L
AST 63* U/L
ALT 83* U/L
Follicle Stimulating Hormone 2 IU/L (2 - 18)
Luteinizing Hormone 1 IU/L (< 6)
Oestradiol < 100 pmol/L (< 150)
Prolactin (mIU/L) 109 mIU/L (45 - 375)
Cholesterol 4.9 mmol/L < 5.6
H.D.L. Cholesterol 0.8* mmol/L > 0.9
L.D.L. Cholesterol 3.7* mmol/L < 3.1
Non-HDL Cholesterol 4.1* mmol/L < 4.1

My testosterone is in the damn toilet! Liver enzymes still elevated and cholesterol out of wack just a bit!
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Everything on that looks normal for what it should at this point. Recovering test is not as simple as pct 4 weeks and done. Lots of ppl will not get back to baseline for a couple months. Typically i see the health markers back in like 30 days or so but test levels could take months
 
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Everything on that looks normal for what it should at this point. Recovering test is not as simple as pct 4 weeks and done. Lots of ppl will not get back to baseline for a couple months. Typically i see the health markers back in like 30 days or so but test levels could take months
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Thanks bro, you're a wealth of knowledge, thanks for your feedback!

My pct looks like this

Clomid 25MG ed
CEL M-TEST 6 Caps ed
CEL ECDYPLEX 4 Caps ed
Mk677 15mg ed before bed

Anything I should look at changing or adding do you think?
 
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anabolistic said:
Thanks bro, you're a wealth of knowledge, thanks for your feedback!

My pct looks like this

Clomid 25MG ed
CEL M-TEST 6 Caps ed
CEL ECDYPLEX 4 Caps ed
Mk677 15mg ed before bed

Anything I should look at changing or adding do you think?
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Going forward I'd use enclomiphene in place of traditional clomid.
 
Smont said:
Everything on that looks normal for what it should at this point. Recovering test is not as simple as pct 4 weeks and done. Lots of ppl will not get back to baseline for a couple months. Typically i see the health markers back in like 30 days or so but test levels could take months
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I agree. I'm actually not a huge fan of people drawing blood 2 weeks into PCT because all it seems to do is cause more anxiety than anything else if something is still off. You're still in the process of recovering from your cycle. Give it time.
 
Stacks1 said:
I agree. I'm actually not a huge fan of people drawing blood 2 weeks into PCT because all it seems to do is cause more anxiety than anything else if something is still off. You're still in the process of recovering from your cycle. Give it time.
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agreed. For what its worth, this is what ive come to for a conclusion on ending a cycle and pct. Mind you I am basing this completely off of other people's feedbacks and not my own because I do not pct anymore. But after the cycle i like to see ppl stop pinning for about 3 weeks and take nothing during this time. If your gonna use hcg as part of pct now is the time. Otherwise around day 18-21 is when most of these guys are starting to feel the "crash" and now we start pct. 4 weeks later pull bloods. Around this point health markers are good but test is still recovering. If its below 400 i would continue with the serm and if its over 400 at this point id say chill or if you want hop on your t booster now. Then wait another 30 days to check test again.

Also for what its worth, if you run more then 1 cycle per year (normal cycles 12+ weeks) you shouldn't come off. Ithe time between cycles isint enough and you basically run gear, crash and the seccond your recovered you hop back on, basically your nuts are never working on there own
 
anabolistic said:
I've actually got a bottle of enclo what are the advantages of it over regular clomid?
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For some ppl enclo has less emotional sides and you feel better as a whole. It has most of the clomid benifits with only a few of the drawbacks. Some ppl also dont do any better on enclo, but most do
 
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