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post cycle therapy without SERM

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thesinner said:
When was I mean? I didn't mean to come off as mean for saying "way to hijack the thread, son". It was meant in jest, since majority of the threads I post in get hijacked (often with obscure homosexuality/beastiality topics).

What help were you gonna offer? (I won't flame, I promise :) )
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man, i need to start using more emoticons... i wasn't serious.

I was however initially trying to work with the guy on a pct solution, just forgot that suggesting anything other than torimenifene use was heresy.
 
Ai's vs serms-

AI's- bad for cholesterol ----- Serms-good for cholesterol
2ndary HPTA stimulation ----- direct HPTA stimulation
otc...questionable ----- clinically tested
high rate of failure ----- high rate of success
massive estrogen rebounds ----- estrogen was never decreased


it really comes down to a. whether you want to chance it or not
B. which is easier to obtain
 
Let's just come to the general consensus that SERMs are NOT necessary, but are HIGHLY RECOMMENDED; therefore, it is flameworthy when you recommend not using them on account of the contradiction this creates: recommending against something that's highly recommended.
 
thesinner said:
Let's just come to the general consensus that SERMs are NOT necessary, but are HIGHLY RECOMMENDED; therefore, it is flameworthy when you recommend not using them on account of the contradiction this creates: recommending against something that's highly recommended.
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:goodpost:

Frankly, I'm officially done giving pct advice on this board. From now on my posts will be in the advice column under ph use and for pct Ill just recommend injecting gasoline to clean out cell receptors.

Just know I'm going to go on taking chances and holding on to blood work. ;)
 
V00D00 said:
:goodpost:

Frankly, I'm officially done giving post cycle therapy advice on this board. From now on my posts will be in the advice column under ph use and for post cycle therapy Ill just recommend injecting gasoline to clean out cell receptors.

Just know I'm going to go on taking chances and holding on to blood work. ;)
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But Gasoline has such a great oral bioavailability ;)
 
RisingAgainst said:
I'm watching! lol (no posting on my part)
In the RED CORNAAHH we have ADHERENT MINDS GANG MENTALITY PARROTS!! in the BLUE CORNAAHH we have VOODOOOOOO!! lol
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Quit it! Your mocking of the membership here is not very becoming. If you have an issue with the membership than go elsewhere. If you have a point about the use of a SERM vs OTC than support iot with data and not anecdotal reports of what some other dude did, or for that matter what voodoo thinks. There is substantial data to support SERM use in re-establishing HPTA. Break out the OTC data or can it....both of you!
 
RA, I thought we had an understanding of what mature and acceptable behavior was. Apparently one of us was not very clear on the matter.

voodoo, this cross board BS is real mature isn't it. you are free to follow you bro RA out of here as well.

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I don't care who you are. The page that B1fitty linked is self explanatory.

Back sh1t up if you challenge status quo. YOu can epect backlash on any forum, or in the flesh, if you challenge methodology that is tried and true, without any semblance of proof. You can expect huge backlash if you are a skinny/chubby newb who hasn't even built a body to represent knowledge in that field to begin with.
 
B5150 said:
RA, I thought we had an understanding of what mature and acceptable behavior was. Apparently one of us was not very clear on the matter.

voodoo, this cross board BS is real mature isn't it. you are free to follow you bro RA out of here as well.

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Maybe you should read that thread.. I made no bad comments to AM on that thread... (something to think about) And furthermore, why am I being brought up on Voodoos post??? makes ZERO sense.
 
This thread:
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Ya but I hear it's hard on your lipids if you dont inject it directly... LOL... asses
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All you have done in this threads is antagonize. You read through it again.
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That thread:
I guess it's a bad first impression to challenge what everybody thought they knew... lol
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Back it up! Otherwise what we know has not been challenged. You just want to whine about people not agreeing with your opinion. Your opinion is worth exactly what we paid for it. Until you provide data to substantiate your stance you have only anecdotal reports. They are worthless in many eyes.

Now you respond to this argument. Challenge everything we know.
jomi822 said:
Ai's vs serms-

AI's- bad for cholesterol ----- Serms-good for cholesterol
2ndary HPTA stimulation ----- direct HPTA stimulation
otc...questionable ----- clinically tested
high rate of failure ----- high rate of success
massive estrogen rebounds ----- estrogen was never decreased
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"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to B5150 again."


Anyways, doesn't this thing jsut need to be put to rest and RA should admit that he's wrong?
 
B5150 said:
This thread:All you have done in this threads is antagonize. You read through it again.
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That thread:Back it up! Otherwise what we know has not been challenged. You just want to whine about people not agreeing with your opinion. Your opinion is worth exactly what we paid for it. Until you provide data to substantiate your stance you have only anecdotal reports. They are worthless in many eyes.

Now you respond to this argument. Challenge everything we know.
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The "asses" comment was directed at Voodoo and Sinner in a joking manner... So that's out... Since I made the second comment, I have since agreed to disagree ON THIS FORUM.. and (I had thought anyways) made some ammends... So please dude, relax... read other threads, not just this one, or the one on DA.
 
You know, initially I started compiling my list of posts and I was going to explain my sarcasm behind them - and then I realized Id be just as bad as the rest of the drama that I thought died in this thread days ago.

Honestly I expected to have a normal conversation from my PI show me blood work of the SERM use.. but it never happened. As you can see from the other boards, I obviously didn't care about the post/thread in the least, which is why it got hijacked immediately. Hell, I figured I would at least get someone to back they're use of SERMs with blood work...

In the end though, the bigger want and need of the general populous was to flame the hell out of me for (like i said would happen) suggesting something other than the norm. As I said to sinner, Im done with the post cycle therapy route on this board, Im only going to suggest gasoline injections or slamming shots of bleach and baking soda for cell receptor cleaning.

5150 - Thanks for the warning, I didn't realize that I was scaring the locals that much, Ill be more serious in the future.

Everyone else, I'm sorry if I raised your blood pressure and let out the rage within we all try to control on cycle.

Oh, and Adherent Minds was actually MY idea. ;)
 
Here are a few articles regarding SERM's

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A very good discussion would be to show how these OTC AI's are comparable if efficacy to SERM's in stimulating HPTA, LH, GnRH, etc etc.

Just some food for thought.
 
B5150 said:
Here are a few articles regarding SERM's

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I very good discussion would be to show how these OTC AI's are comparable if efficacy to SERM's in stimulating HPTA, LH, GnRH, etc etc.

Just some food for thought.
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Thanks for the links dude, (as mentioned already) hopefully this is all over and people are able to move on.
 
The DISCUSSION does not need to be over, but the HOSTILITY does. I am open to learn something and so is everyone else. Present your case will intelligent reason and you might win some friends at the same time :)
 
B5150 said:
Here are a few articles regarding SERM's

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A very good discussion would be to show how these OTC AI's are comparable if efficacy to SERM's in stimulating HPTA, LH, GnRH, etc etc.

Just some food for thought.
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:goodpost:
 
B5150 said:
The DISCUSSION does not need to be over, but the HOSTILITY does. I am open to learn something and so is everyone else. Present your case will intelligent reason and you might win some friends at the same time :)
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Bro, we're letting it go. I made my point in a different thread and decided it was best to let time work things out for now. I won't touch on the subject anymore.
 
B5150 said:
The DISCUSSION does not need to be over, but the HOSTILITY does. I am open to learn something and so is everyone else. Present your case will intelligent reason and you might win some friends at the same time :)
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Perfect! What I have been trying to tell Mr. RA the whole time...he does try though...;)
 
The offer stands!

voodoo, when you feel that you can post on the topic and be sincere it would be just adorable if you would share it with us.

RA, the offer stands for you to.

Feel free to start a thread on the efficacy of OTC AI's vs SERM's for stimulating HPTA, LH, GnRH, etc etc for the purposes of post cycle therapy.

Best regards to you both.
 
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