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Post Cycle Support Help?

Darb77

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K planning on a cycle soon. Phera/Xtren combo, I have run it before and I loved it. I used Nolva, fish oil, multi vitamin last PCT. I have been out of the supp world for a while and was curious if there is anything out there I should run with my nolva in my next pct for support and recovery.

Thanks!
 
K planning on a cycle soon. Phera/Xtren combo, I have run it before and I loved it. I used Nolva, fish oil, multi vitamin last PCT. I have been out of the supp world for a while and was curious if there is anything out there I should run with my nolva in my next pct for support and recovery.

Thanks!

D-aspartic acid is awesome. it makes your b*lls grow lol great for the whole hypogonadism thing
 
Sustain Alpha for libido and estrogen regulation, TCF-1 for stimulating LH release and helping with HPTA recovery and Erase because, well, I love erase. lol
 
solid advice in this thread.I'd add in some need to build muscle's GEAR product along with the other suggestions.GEAR will help you make the most of what you eat(protein and such) and also aid in recovery.
 
wouldnt NAC and phosphocholine be better since milk thistle blocks androgen receptors?

Who knows with all the broscience going around? I've used milk thistle religiously for the past 15 years since Bill Phillips was touting it back in the mid-nineties, and it never seemed to bother me on or off cycle. I just pop it like a daily vit.
 
Who knows with all the broscience going around? I've used milk thistle religiously for the past 15 years since Bill Phillips was touting it back in the mid-nineties, and it never seemed to bother me on or off cycle. I just pop it like a daily vit.

lol i hear you on the broscience, but I found a study that supports this theory:

Silymarin inhibits function of the androgen receptor by reducing nuclear localization of the receptor in the human prostate cancer cell line LNCaP

Wen Zhu, Jin-San Zhang and Charles Y.F. Young1


Abstract
A number of reports have shown that the polyphenolic flavonoid silymarin (SM) is an effective anticancer agent. Agents with novel mechanisms of blocking androgen receptor (AR) function may be useful for prostate cancer prevention and therapy. Previous studies showed that silibinin (SB), the major active component of SM, could inhibit cell proliferation of a human prostate cancer cell line, LNCaP, by arresting the cell cycle at the G1 phase without causing cell death. This study further delineates the potential molecular mechanism by which SM and SB exhibit antiproliferative effects on androgen-responsive prostate cancer cells by inhibiting function of the AR. We observed that SM and SB inhibited androgen-stimulated cell proliferation as well as androgen-stimulated secretion of both prostate-specific antigen (PSA) and human glandular kallikrein (hK2). Additionally, for the first time, we show that an immunophilin, FKBP51, is androgen regulated and that this up-regulation is suppressed by SM and SB. We further demonstrate that transactivation activity of the AR was diminished by SM and SB using gene transfer of PSA promoter and hK2 androgen-responsive element constructs. However, expression and steroid-binding ability of total AR were not affected by SM in western blotting and ligand-binding assays. Intriguingly, we found that nuclear AR levels are significantly reduced by SM and SB in the presence of androgens using western blotting assay and immunocytochemical staining. This study provides a new insight into how SM and SB negatively modulate androgen action in prostate cancer cells
 
lol i hear you on the broscience, but I found a study that supports this theory:

Silymarin inhibits function of the androgen receptor by reducing nuclear localization of the receptor in the human prostate cancer cell line LNCaP

Wen Zhu, Jin-San Zhang and Charles Y.F. Young1


Abstract
A number of reports have shown that the polyphenolic flavonoid silymarin (SM) is an effective anticancer agent. Agents with novel mechanisms of blocking androgen receptor (AR) function may be useful for prostate cancer prevention and therapy. Previous studies showed that silibinin (SB), the major active component of SM, could inhibit cell proliferation of a human prostate cancer cell line, LNCaP, by arresting the cell cycle at the G1 phase without causing cell death. This study further delineates the potential molecular mechanism by which SM and SB exhibit antiproliferative effects on androgen-responsive prostate cancer cells by inhibiting function of the AR. We observed that SM and SB inhibited androgen-stimulated cell proliferation as well as androgen-stimulated secretion of both prostate-specific antigen (PSA) and human glandular kallikrein (hK2). Additionally, for the first time, we show that an immunophilin, FKBP51, is androgen regulated and that this up-regulation is suppressed by SM and SB. We further demonstrate that transactivation activity of the AR was diminished by SM and SB using gene transfer of PSA promoter and hK2 androgen-responsive element constructs. However, expression and steroid-binding ability of total AR were not affected by SM in western blotting and ligand-binding assays. Intriguingly, we found that nuclear AR levels are significantly reduced by SM and SB in the presence of androgens using western blotting assay and immunocytochemical staining. This study provides a new insight into how SM and SB negatively modulate androgen action in prostate cancer cells

I think the major thing here is "Previous studies showed that silibinin (SB), the major active component of SM, could inhibit cell proliferation of a human prostate cancer cell line, LNCaP, by arresting the cell cycle at the G1 phase without causing cell death."

Was this study on humans or rats? And was this study published in peer-reviewed scientific journals? There's a big difference between "science" and real-world experience. Like I've said, I've been taking MT for a very, very long time and I havne't noticed anything negative, even when I double up the dosage during cycle.

Who really knows though? I'll continue using MT daily for probably the rest of my life. It hasn't hindered me in any way so like the saying goes, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
 
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