Post Cycle, Still struggling with ED

[Dominus]

It’s been a little over 2 weeks off NPP, test dose has been dropped back to therapeutic (200mg per wk), had labs done last week

Test Total : 1690
E2: 48
DHT: 164
Prolactin: 11.7

strangely the only biomarkers that were off was in the CBC. My RDW is at 16.9, but HCT, hemoglobin are low-normal. I am low in MCH, MCHC. RBC count is 5.88…. According to my doc my labs show that I am slightly anemic. Not sure how this is possible as I have been on cycle for 20 weeks
eating like a horse.

erections are still lacking, as well as the ability to orgasm. It takes a long time and the only way I can get off now is via a very hard hand job at the end, sorry for the imagery lol. All of the markers in my hormone panel seem relatively normal, maybe not the high DHT. Puzzled as to why I have ED, and even more puzzled as to why I show I am slightly anemic. Thoughts, suggestions, criticism welcome.

PS - might be worth noting that I am severely depressed… like I have never felt in my life. I have not ran into this on previous cycles, I generally have a great mental. I feel as if every drop of dopamine has been squeezed right out of my body

 

[Smont]

Things are still coming back to normal, npp is also still in your system and Eben tho your testosterone levels are dropping quickly there still kinda on cycle range. Give it some time, grab some tadalifil and avanifil or pt-141

Tadalifil- 20mg day one followed by 5mg daily, avanifil 100mg 20min pre sex (lasts like 5+ hours) or pt141 0.5-1 mg daily + 5mg tadalifil daily, or pt141 2-3mg pre activities.

Don't stack everything. Try one or use 2 togther at low doses

 

[EpiStrong]

pt141 0.5-1 mg daily + 5mg tadalifil daily, or pt141 2-3mg pre activities.

Don't stack everything. Try one or use 2 togther at low doses

What's your experience with pt141? I'm interested but haven't been to much on it

 

[Dominus]

Things are still coming back to normal, npp is also still in your system and Eben tho your testosterone levels are dropping quickly there still kinda on cycle range. Give it some time, grab some tadalifil and avanifil or pt-141

Tadalifil- 20mg day one followed by 5mg daily, avanifil 100mg 20min pre sex (lasts like 5+ hours) or pt141 0.5-1 mg daily + 5mg tadalifil daily, or pt141 2-3mg pre activities.

Don't stack everything. Try one or use 2 togther at low doses

I’ve been reading about the PT-141, very similar structure to MT2. I will give it a shot, MT2 was intense in the erection department lol

 

[Smont]

What's your experience with pt141? I'm interested but haven't been to much on it

Used it once recently and plan on it again. At 0.5mg daily I noticed after about 2 days I was very easily aroused I guess is the word. Didn't take much. At 2-3mg your gonna get a boner if the wind blows lol.

It's supposed to work 45min post inject but I noticed it was most obvious 6-8 hrs later

 

[Smont]

I’ve been reading about the PT-141, very similar structure to MT2. I will give it a shot, MT2 was intense in the erection department lol

Pt-141 is the isolated part of mt2 that causes boners

 

[Dominus]

Pt-141 is the isolated part of mt2 that causes boners

I’ll give it a run… I have been using MA’s Sildenafil and I must say, it’s very potent… maybe even stronger than the label indicates. .25 ml does the trick

 

[PhantomReaper]

Hell a little Cialis at 57 is raging..lol
Z...

 

[EpiStrong]

I also suggest PT-141. It doesn't just give me wood, it makes me mentally horny as well. Keeping some Cialis on hand is a good idea too.

This is what interests me most. How long does the effect last, ed is fine or need multiple for all day length?

 

[Sparta12]

Get a penis pump, seriously... use it 15-20 mins a day or every second day... it will help a lot

 

[Sparta12]

I tried that a few years back. My cats made it a very dangerous endeavor!

damn pussies... I use it a couple times a week and I tell you what, I can get hard if I see a womens toe... my girlfriend calls me stiff dicky haha

 

[PhantomReaper]

I tried that a few years back. My cats made it a very dangerous endeavor!

Please...
Pump the Brakes..
Don't elaborate..!!

I don't need those thoughts in my Head..!!
LOL
Z...

 

[PhantomReaper]

damn pussies... I use it a couple times a week and I tell you what, I can get hard if I see a womens toe... my girlfriend calls me stiff dicky haha

Stray cat hitter..!!
LOL
Z...

 

[Smont]

Get a penis pump, seriously... use it 15-20 mins a day or every second day... it will help a lot

It’s been a little over 2 weeks off NPP, test dose has been dropped back to therapeutic (200mg per wk), had labs done last week

Test Total : 1690
E2: 48
DHT: 164
Prolactin: 11.7

strangely the only biomarkers that were off was in the CBC. My RDW is at 16.9, but HCT, hemoglobin are low-normal. I am low in MCH, MCHC. RBC count is 5.88…. According to my doc my labs show that I am slightly anemic. Not sure how this is possible as I have been on cycle for 20 weeks
eating like a horse.

erections are still lacking, as well as the ability to orgasm. It takes a long time and the only way I can get off now is via a very hard hand job at the end, sorry for the imagery lol. All of the markers in my hormone panel seem relatively normal, maybe not the high DHT. Puzzled as to why I have ED, and even more puzzled as to why I show I am slightly anemic. Thoughts, suggestions, criticism welcome.

PS - might be worth noting that I am severely depressed… like I have never felt in my life. I have not ran into this on previous cycles, I generally have a great mental. I feel as if every drop of dopamine has been squeezed right out of my body

I just read more into your post and I had a few questions. 1. Depression and stress can have a big role. Do you know why your depressed or is it seasonal Depression. I'm not asking you to talk about it if you don't want to. But I understand, I'm often a bit depressed, especially around the new year. I've always been that way.

Back to hormones, deca/npp can make you more depressed. I don't fully understand it but it's a thing. Dosent mean it's your thing but compounding so.e Depression with a drug that can make you a bit depressed might add up

Bloodwork, how was dhea and pregnolone. When those are low, so is erectile function

Supplements and tools mentioned in this thread are only temporary fixes, they won't fix a hormone or brain chemical issue in the long haul so we still wanna look into possibilities. Ultimately time usually will fix itself

 

[Dominus]

I just read more into your post and I had a few questions. 1. Depression and stress can have a big role. Do you know why your depressed or is it seasonal Depression. I'm not asking you to talk about it if you don't want to. But I understand, I'm often a bit depressed, especially around the new year. I've always been that way.

Back to hormones, deca/npp can make you more depressed. I don't fully understand it but it's a thing. Dosent mean it's your thing but compounding so.e Depression with a drug that can make you a bit depressed might add up

Bloodwork, how was dhea and pregnolone. When those are low, so is erectile function

Supplements and tools mentioned in this thread are only temporary fixes, they won't fix a hormone or brain chemical issue in the long haul so we still wanna look into possibilities. Ultimately time usually will fix itself

I believe this is 100% compound related depression. I have no other factors in my life that would contribute to it. This is a learning experience for me as I am getting older and probably shouldn’t use 19-nors much anymore. I believe I will stick to shorter cycles, generally avoiding Deca… but I really want to try Trestolone.

 

[Smont]

I believe this is 100% compound related depression. I have no other factors in my life that would contribute to it. This is a learning experience for me as I am getting older and probably shouldn’t use 19-nors much anymore. I believe I will stick to shorter cycles, generally avoiding Deca… but I really want to try Trestolone.

I'd avoid trest at this point. It's not terribly different then being on a lot of test and a little bit of tren

 

[PhantomReaper]

I believe this is 100% compound related depression. I have no other factors in my life that would contribute to it. This is a learning experience for me as I am getting older and probably shouldn’t use 19-nors much anymore. I believe I will stick to shorter cycles, generally avoiding Deca… but I really want to try Trestolone.

To me Trest was a challenge...
Z...

 

[EpiStrong]

I avoid nors for this reason in general

 

[PhantomReaper]

I have no problem with 19 nors,and Trest was a challenge..so for somebody with issues...I'd stay far away..!!
Z...

 

[EpiStrong]

I have no problem with 19 nors,and Trest was a challenge..so for somebody with issues...I'd stay far away..!!
Z...

To be fair trest is a progesterone.. edit.. I read it wrong. Trest is hard to recover from too if that is a concern too

 

[Smont]

To be fair trest is a progesterone.. edit.. I read it wrong. Trest is hard to recover from too if that is a concern too

Trest is a 19 nor, all 19 nors are progestinic. Trest also dosent seem to be any harder to recover from then any other steroids in real world experiences. It shuts you down fast but recovery seems to be normal.

I do hear ppl say that after using trest a lot there sex drive and sexual function seem to start going down over time.

No experience with that. I felt the same way on trest that I feel on everything

 

[Dominus]

Just an update for those interested - turns out at some point during my cycle my red blood cells went microcytic… meaning they were produced prematurely, too small, not carrying enough oxygen. Usual cause is iron deficiency. I thought no way, I eat tons of red meat and greens every day. I had ferritin and iron panel pulled, sure enough my ferritin was at 6ng/ml , iron saturation was almost non existent. Supplementing ferrous bicyglinate @ 25mg per day, will re test in a month to see if we have an absorption problem or if that fixes the issue. From what I read, testosterone can create Hepcidin in your body which inhibits iron absorption. 5 months being above 3000ng/dl total T, I’m assuming could be the cause topped with a few blood donations. This could very well be a contributing factor to the ED as well.

 

[PolishHamm3r77]

Almost like the test was a selective iron receptor modulator or uptake inhibitor. Good to know

 

[Smont]

Almost like the test was a selective iron receptor modulator or uptake inhibitor. Good to know

I don't know bout this. Testosterone is the most common steroid. Guys run 10x that dose and stay on year round. If the Testosterone caused this then we would likely hear stories like this every day. I definitely think this is some kind of freak situation or maybe something else he was taking blocks iron absorption? Also I don't know how often he donates or gets bloods but the more frequent the lower those become so maybe he donated a lot this year? I'm really stumped


Calcium and polyphenol inhibit iron absorption. So does phytate but that usually happens on a vegan diet.

Chronic use of otc pain/anti inflammatory drugs will also do this. Well, I should say can do this not will do it.

Maybe check your kidneys function cud that could be a possibility and that's probably not it but anything kidneys you wanna address fast as possible cus they don't regenerate like the liver.

Off top that's all I can think of

 

[Dominus]

I don't know bout this. Testosterone is the most common steroid. Guys run 10x that dose and stay on year round. If the Testosterone caused this then we would likely hear stories like this every day. I definitely think this is some kind of freak situation or maybe something else he was taking blocks iron absorption? Also I don't know how often he donates or gets bloods but the more frequent the lower those become so maybe he donated a lot this year? I'm really stumped


Calcium and polyphenol inhibit iron absorption. So does phytate but that usually happens on a vegan diet.

Chronic use of otc pain/anti inflammatory drugs will also do this. Well, I should say can do this not will do it.

Maybe check your kidneys function cud that could be a possibility and that's probably not it but anything kidneys you wanna address fast as possible cus they don't regenerate like the liver.

Off top that's all I can think of

I thought the same thing, but then I realized that on the surface of my lab work, everything looked normal. Hematocrit and hemoglobin was in range… RBC count was slightly high (to be expected on cycle or TRT). It wasn’t until I pulled a specific ferritin and iron panel that I found the deficiency. No symptoms to speak of that would have led me to believe I was iron deficient. Only had 2 blood donations, one in October of 22 and one in March of 2023. I had a peripheral blood smear done to find that the cells were smaller than normal.

 

[Smont]

I thought the same thing, but then I realized that on the surface of my lab work, everything looked normal. Hematocrit and hemoglobin was in range… RBC count was slightly high (to be expected on cycle or TRT). It wasn’t until I pulled a specific ferritin and iron panel that I found the deficiency. No symptoms to speak of that would have led me to believe I was iron deficient. Only had 2 blood donations, one in October of 22 and one in March of 2023. I had a peripheral blood smear done to find that the cells were smaller than normal.

I'm completely stumped then. How long are they gonna have you supplement before retesting?

 

[Mikereyn513]

If you're anemic can't yiu get some pharm grade anadrol? Lol. Such a meat head post

 

[PolishHamm3r77]

If you're anemic can't yiu get some pharm grade anadrol? Lol. Such a meat head post

You know it’s gonna be a GREAT Friday when the second post you read mentions Anadrol!!!

It’s Friday BITCHES!!! And I got the day off. Mikey you up early. Sun isn’t up here yet in NH. Must be pitch black in CA

 

[Mikereyn513]

You know it’s gonna be a GREAT Friday when the second post you read mentions Anadrol!!!

It’s Friday BITCHES!!! And I got the day off. Mikey you up early. Sun isn’t up here yet in NH. Must be pitch black in CA

Yea work starts at 4am so I posted that during meal 1

 

[Smont]

Yea work starts at 4am so I posted that during meal 1

I jump back on the band wagon myself

 

[Dominus]

I'm completely stumped then. How long are they gonna have you supplement before retesting?

6 weeks 25mg Ferrous Bisglycinate then a retest. I really think a big part of this was blood donation related to be honest. Back in March of 2023 I did a double red donation and I believe it wrecked my ferritin, and I just never quite recovered from it. It’s definitely one of the strangest sets of lab work results I have ever received. I may also have a problem absorbing iron, I guess we will see.

 

[Dominus]

If you're anemic can't yiu get some pharm grade anadrol? Lol. Such a meat head post

I like the way you think

 

[THOR 70]

Subbing for interesting data and to see how this turns out.

You have all the basics covered like zinc, mag, D, iodine, b vitamins, etc?

Not sure about your RBC situation in relation to what I’m going to say, but I’ve heard anecdotally that Niacin is really good for depression at higher doses. I def have a sense of well being on it.

 

[Dominus]

Subbing for interesting data and to see how this turns out.

You have all the basics covered like zinc, mag, D, iodine, b vitamins, etc?

Not sure about your RBC situation in relation to what I’m going to say, but I’ve heard anecdotally that Niacin is really good for depression at higher doses. I def have a sense of well being on it.

All vitamins are in check

Subbing for interesting data and to see how this turns out.

You have all the basics covered like zinc, mag, D, iodine, b vitamins, etc?

Not sure about your RBC situation in relation to what I’m going to say, but I’ve heard anecdotally that Niacin is really good for depression at higher doses. I def have a sense of well being on it.

vitamins and minerals are in check, I will say I’m doing much better as of the last few weeks. I think I’ve learned that at my age I can no longer handle long cycles of nandrolone. I mean, I can… but I pay for it pretty severely. ED is about gone, I’d say I’m at 90 percent now. Depression has faded, feeling like myself again. It’s been 7 weeks since my last shot of NPP. 7 weeks back at 200mg test cyp (TRT).

 

[cruze1911r1]

Glad to hear you're doing better. Hope you had a good Thanksgiving

 

[Mikereyn513]

All vitamins are in check

vitamins and minerals are in check, I will say I’m doing much better as of the last few weeks. I think I’ve learned that at my age I can no longer handle long cycles of nandrolone. I mean, I can… but I pay for it pretty severely. ED is about gone, I’d say I’m at 90 percent now. Depression has faded, feeling like myself again. It’s been 7 weeks since my last shot of NPP. 7 weeks back at 200mg test cyp (TRT).

Right on D. Yea it seems like nandrolone and probably other 19 Nors are a no go now. It seems like that happens to a lot of guys when they get close to 40 and over. I'm 42 and my deca cycle last year was fine and so were the last few tren cycles but I'm not going to go high on the deca anymore, switched to high dose eq instead ( running 450 now but will go up to 600 soon and stay there for the duration of the cycle

 

[Smont]

All vitamins are in check

vitamins and minerals are in check, I will say I’m doing much better as of the last few weeks. I think I’ve learned that at my age I can no longer handle long cycles of nandrolone. I mean, I can… but I pay for it pretty severely. ED is about gone, I’d say I’m at 90 percent now. Depression has faded, feeling like myself again. It’s been 7 weeks since my last shot of NPP. 7 weeks back at 200mg test cyp (TRT).

Time to start running the masters cycles. Test/mast/hgh

 

[Mikereyn513]

Time to start running the masters cycles. Test/mast/hgh

This with a little slin

 

[Dominus]

Time to start running the masters cycles. Test/mast/hgh

You read my mind. Ive got everything except the GH, but I will source that soon I suppose. Looking to run another cycle around the first of January.

 

[Dominus]

Right on D. Yea it seems like nandrolone and probably other 19 Nors are a no go now. It seems like that happens to a lot of guys when they get close to 40 and over. I'm 42 and my deca cycle last year was fine and so were the last few tren cycles but I'm not going to go high on the deca anymore, switched to high dose eq instead ( running 450 now but will go up to 600 soon and stay there for the duration of the cycle

Either a no go all together or a no go running them for extended periods. I will probably just avoid them from now on, with the exception of short blasts of Tren Ace periodically which strangely doesn’t give me any sides Other than sweating and sleep issues even when around 400mg per week. EQ is a great compound, Test/NPP/EQ used to be my favorite stack

 

[Mikereyn513]

Either a no go all together or a no go running them for extended periods. I will probably just avoid them from now on, with the exception of short blasts of Tren Ace periodically which strangely doesn’t give me any sides Other than sweating and sleep issues even when around 400mg per week. EQ is a great compound, Test/NPP/EQ used to be my favorite stack

That's what most pros run in the off season. I started test/eq/ mast 4 weeks ago. Strength is going up weekly eq is keeping vascular and mast us keeping me hard eventho it's a push phase and calories are climbing

 

[EpiStrong]

That's what most pros run in the off season. I started test/eq/ mast 4 weeks ago. Strength is going up weekly eq is keeping vascular and mast us keeping me hard eventho it's a push phase and calories are climbing

How to you like eq. I haven't tried because it's one of those many don't care for, possibly because it is slower and steady.

 

[cruze1911r1]

The thing that scares me about eq is the anxiety it can cause as I'm prone to it. It sounds like an awesome bulking compound tho.

 

[Mikereyn513]

How to you like eq. I haven't tried because it's one of those many don't care for, possibly because it is slower and steady.

Love it...allows to me to stay vascular while calories are high. Good strength gains but yea it's a minimum of 16 weeks preferably 20. It does take another 2 months to completely clear your system which can be a good or bad thing depending on your situation

 

[cruze1911r1]

Love it...allows to me to stay vascular while calories are high. Good strength gains but yea it's a minimum of 16 weeks preferably 20. It does take another 2 months to completely clear your system which can be a good or bad thing depending on your situation

No anxiety or other emotional issues with eq for you? I've heard that can be somewhat common

 

[Smont]

How to you like eq. I haven't tried because it's one of those many don't care for, possibly because it is slower and steady.

Its probably my favorite goto compound. I think most of the ppl who poop on eq dont know how to build muscle without steroids, so without the instant Gratification of the fast acting stuff they assume it dont work. One thing i likecabout eq is i know i can push the dose up significantly high without Consequence. Keep in mind im not saying eq is safe, its just one of my "safe/low risk" drug choices. I should be on 625 test and 625 eq right now but i keep missing 1 pin every week lol, so im more likely on about 500-550 of each. Making this the most gear ive used in the past few years.

What do i notice from eq..... absolutely nothing, and thats just how i like it. This cycle feels like im on trt, but the mirror says i just started a blast.i started 6 weeks ago at 375 each. So there both doing there thing but because ive been increasing slowly nothing is probably at peqk concentrations.

 

[Smont]

Love it...allows to me to stay vascular while calories are high. Good strength gains but yea it's a minimum of 16 weeks preferably 20. It does take another 2 months to completely clear your system which can be a good or bad thing depending on your situation

Ive used eq plenty of times for 10-12 weeks. It dosent need long cycles, neither does deca. Longer is definately going to be better for muscle growth but that applies to everything, short esters and orals included. I was actually listeneng to a podcast the other day where both coaches were saying how they like to use eq the first 8-10 weeks of contest prep and dropping it when mast comes in and then the usual suspwcts, tren, orals ect

 

[Mikereyn513]

Ive used eq plenty of times for 10-12 weeks. It dosent need long cycles, neither does deca. Longer is definately going to be better for muscle growth but that applies to everything, short esters and orals included. I was actually listeneng to a podcast the other day where both coaches were saying how they like to use eq the first 8-10 weeks of contest prep and dropping it when mast comes in and then the usual suspwcts, tren, orals ect

Yea after I typed that I thought if I'm getting results after 4 weeks then 10-12 weeks on UT woukd be plenty of time. I've just always used it for 16 where deca I've used 8-12 weeks.

 

[Mikereyn513]

No anxiety or other emotional issues with eq for you? I've heard that can be somewhat common

No none at all. Sides like that on eq are rather rare actually. Most sides like that come from nandrolone and other 19 hors. Specially nandrolone though because of how it reacts with dopamine. Dave Crossland talks a lot about thar. That's why eq is a lot more popular these days because that's what guys use when they can't do high dosed nandrolone. Also npp is popular because if you get mental sides yiu can pull the plug quick. Also it's dosed at 100mg/ml so if you want the joint protection aspect of it you can dose 100mg/ week