Possible winter bulks

Kickstart7

Kickstart7

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Hey fellas, it's been a while since I've been consistently active here! Anyways I'm contemplating two possible cycles for my winter bulk. Goal is to put 10-15 lbs on and keep 8-10 after pct. the possible cycles would be:

IML's Msten: 10/10/10/10/20/20
Elite Formulations: 0/800/800/800/1000/100

Second cycle possibility:

LGD: 4/4/4/4/8/8/8/8/8
Rad: looking for suggestions as I am new to it.

Would look to use stano the same way progressively depending on need. I know both SARMS are significantly suppressive.

I've consulted some top notch members on here but I want to relieve them of having to play with my suggestions so I'm asking you guys! Lol
 
How about rad or lgd bridged into msten/stano? Get all of those gains!
 
bomb said:
why not the other way round ? first the ph and then the sarms ?
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I just don't think a sarm will keep your gains going after running a strong ph like msten. Imo, a sarm first will be counterproductive.
 
what would you recommend to run if i have time left until the 10th of january?
I want to recomp at best and osta is not a choice
want a mixture of ph and sarms probably
 
bomb said:
what would you recommend to run if i have time left until the 10th of january?
I want to recomp at best and osta is not a choice
want a mixture of ph and sarms probably
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That depends on what you have access to. Pm me and we will figure something out, don't want to thread jack my man Kickstart7
 
Rad 8/8/8/8
LGD 4/4/4/4/8/8/8/8
Trest 50/50/50/75/75/75/100/100 depending on your experience you may not want to go up to 100
AI of your choice, make sure its something like arom

PCT:
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Super PCT Label Directions
LJ100 Label Directions
Maybe Letrone or a strong ai
 
Jackedjack said:
Rad 8/8/8/8
LGD 4/4/4/4/8/8/8/8
Trest 50/50/50/75/75/75/100/100 depending on your experience you may not want to go up to 100
AI of your choice, make sure its something like arom

PCT:
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Super PCT Label Directions
LJ100 Label Directions
Maybe Letrone or a strong ai
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I appreciate the layout jack! I've only used stano as a test base, I'll look more into tr3st. Thing that sucks is that it has better bioavailability through transdermal creams but i don't want to expose it to my woman.
 
You can always inject it ;). But in all honesty if you are afraid of exposing "my woman", just use oral. It works, maybe not as well, but you will get you 10-15 pounds by the end of the cycle (So long as your diet and training are in check).
 
i used oral , as a base it worked really well - i did not even space out the doses that much - libido was very high and lethargy was not existing.

wonder if 4ad would cover that too
 
bomb said:
i used oral , as a base it worked really well - i did not even space out the doses that much - libido was very high and lethargy was not existing.

wonder if 4ad would cover that too
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Not as well as trest but would definitely get the job done at around 300mg ed
 
i am a bit afraid of trest - i used it for a long time and also together with tren and developed a small gyno.

i love the effects of trest but i am really concerned if using it would make the situation worse...
but i get possibly the same risk when dosing 4ad at 300 or higher ...
 
Well I'll look
Into the oral version of trest, loving the suggestions. I like the fact that it would help me bulk more than stano
 
Is msten more toxic than dmz in terms of liver, BP and lipid values
 
bomb said:
i am a bit afraid of trest - i used it for a long time and also together with tren and developed a small gyno.

i love the effects of trest but i am really concerned if using it would make the situation worse...
but i get possibly the same risk when dosing 4ad at 300 or higher ...
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I had the same issue with trest and tren together, gave me gyno crazy fast. Gyno is much more than estrogen being out of balance, it is a combination of hormonal imbalances that causes gyno. Trest effects estrogen while tren effects prolactin so it is kind of a dangerous combination. Leave the tren alone and have exemestane on hand and you should be gtg. FYI I am running trest at 175mg ed with no problems after getting gyno last cycle from 100mg of trest and 120mg of tren.
 
bomb said:
i am a bit afraid of trest - i used it for a long time and also together with tren and developed a small gyno.

i love the effects of trest but i am really concerned if using it would make the situation worse...
but i get possibly the same risk when dosing 4ad at 300 or higher ...
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I would never use trest + tren 2gether gyno nipple drip city
 
yates84 said:
I had the same issue with trest and tren together, gave me gyno crazy fast. Gyno is much more than estrogen being out of balance, it is a combination of hormonal imbalances that causes gyno. Trest effects estrogen while tren effects prolactin so it is kind of a dangerous combination. Leave the tren alone and have exemestane on hand and you should be gtg. FYI I am running trest at 175mg ed with no problems after getting gyno last cycle from 100mg of trest and 120mg of tren.
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Great advice
 
You could stack Trest with dmz, 1alpha or Msten. Just got a new line up of products at PHW. The 1alpha with the Trest would be a good bulk.
 
whats the point in blowing up and then loosing all water weight ?
i´d really consider sdrol but if nothing is keepable its pointless imo

edit: not wanna hijack , just throwing it thoughts
 
bomb said:
whats the point in blowing up and then loosing all water weight ?
i´d really consider sdrol but if nothing is keepable its pointless imo

edit: not wanna hijack , just throwing it thoughts
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If you have the right products and ai's you won't get much water weight. I'm not seeing any or getting any water gain.. Just a steady .5 lbs every 3 days or so.
 
Really still trying to decide now after reading that RAD and LGD might not be a good combination due to little evidence of a synergistic effect like I had hoped.
 
Kickstart7 said:
Really still trying to decide now after reading that RAD and LGD might not be a good combination due to little evidence of a synergistic effect like I had hoped.
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Here is a log of the two together

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Besides that I'm pretty sure RAD is new, so that's why there is little information.
 
Burnfire said:
You could stack Trest with dmz, 1alpha or Msten. Just got a new line up of products at PHW. The 1alpha with the Trest would be a good bulk.
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Yeah I like alpha one a lot and almost orderd until I seen the price. 30 doses of 30 milligrams for about 80$. To steep for me since I like to run it at 60-80mgs. Unless it is a typo and is really 60 caps@30mgs.
 
Would like to chime in, last winter I did dermatr3st with sdmz2.0.

By far my favorite stack. Sick energy from it. But had some crappy sides :(
 
Jackedjack said:
Rad 8/8/8/8
LGD 4/4/4/4/8/8/8/8
Trest 50/50/50/75/75/75/100/100 depending on your experience you may not want to go up to 100
AI of your choice, make sure its something like arom

PCT:
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Super PCT Label Directions
LJ100 Label Directions
Maybe Letrone or a strong ai
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Would this recommendation be the same for oral Tr3st?
 
Burnfire said:
If you have the right products and ai's you won't get much water weight. I'm not seeing any or getting any water gain.. Just a steady .5 lbs every 3 days or so.
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but what about all the people who gained 15 lbs on sdrol.
that can't be muscle mass ...
i´d love to try sdrol but that scares me - would be pointless if everything is lost after 4 weeks ...
 
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bomb said:
but what about all the people who gained 15 lbs on sdrol.
that can't be muscle mass ...
i´d love to try sdrol but that scares me - would be pointless if everything is lost after 4 weeks ...
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Most strong orals give you a lot of glycogen water weight. I have experienced this with m1t phera sdrol msten alpha dmz epi. Except dplex there was no rapid weight gain with dplex. slow steady gains are best.

And I'm talking about glycogen water retention in muscle not bloat. Superdrol dmz epi left me very dry looking.

Alpha m1t does bloat though.
 
bert45 said:
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Most strong orals give you a lot of glycogen water weight. I have experienced this with m1t phera sdrol msten alpha dmz epi. Except dplex there was no rapid weight gain with dplex. slow steady gains are best.

And I'm talking about glycogen water retention in muscle not bloat. Superdrol left me very dry looking.
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i am just looking for a go for an sdrol/trest cycle lol

did you keep anything from sdrol ?
 
bert45 said:
I'd rather use sdrol or any oral now to kick start with test.
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I agree but I don't have the mola for test and the gear needed right now. I already have half my cycle from previous purchases. If I could pin I would but that's not the case unfortunately! Just looking for the best keep able gains without throwing my health down the drain. Like I said I did up to 60 mg of dmz before and went 7 and a half weeks on it so my body can handle some toxic nature but id rather not go down that road over the holidays again. Like I said it's hard deciding what cycle I'd like to do. I have msten sitting there staring at me from my stash lol but idk.
 
Alright boys, I've decided on a tr3st LGD cycle for the duration of 8-9 weeks. I want to put on as much mass as possible, some glycogen and hopefully a lot will be sustainable muscle tissue. I'm 22 , only concern is being infertile even with a good pct. I've already run 3 cycles prior to this one. Let's hope for the best and see what happens!
 
Kickstart7 said:
Alright boys, I've decided on a tr3st LGD cycle for the duration of 8-9 weeks. I want to put on as much mass as possible, some glycogen and hopefully a lot will be sustainable muscle tissue. I'm 22 , only concern is being infertile even with a good pct. I've already run 3 cycles prior to this one. Let's hope for the best and see what happens!
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If fertility stuff is on your mind than I'd hold off on the cycle man. Just my opinion but I would hate myself if I ran some PHs and gained a couple pounds of muscle but hurt my chance of having kids.
Maybe some others can share their thoughts and experiences? Fertility takes priority in my mind but maybe you'd be safe either way... Who knows..
 
dave39 said:
If fertility stuff is on your mind than I'd hold off on the cycle man. Just my opinion but I would hate myself if I ran some PHs and gained a couple pounds of muscle but hurt my chance of having kids.
Maybe some others can share their thoughts and experiences? Fertility takes priority in my mind but maybe you'd be safe either way... Who knows..
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I agree, I've have a few cycles under my belt but I'm gonna try and get my sperm tested before this to get a range at how much of a hit anabolics have taken . Either way I loved my past cycles .
 
Kickstart7 said:
I agree, I've have a few cycles under my belt but I'm gonna try and get my sperm tested before this to get a range at how much of a hit anabolics have taken . Either way I loved my past cycles .
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do you still keep your DMZ gains? how much did you lost from your cycle, I remember months ago big discussion about temporary/permanent gains from ph
 
Well I'm not a good example for keeping gains. I play football and I was injured in a head to head collision that I ended up with a herniated disc in my neck. My specialist and PT say I can life light weight high reps but I didn't lift for a duration of 2 and a half weeks, plus the lack of lifting my team did in general. I'd say look wise and weight wise I've kept some of the gains but I've lost all strength from the cycle.
 
Kickstart7 said:
Well I'm not a good example for keeping gains. I play football and I was injured in a head to head collision that I ended up with a herniated disc in my neck. My specialist and PT say I can life light weight high reps but I didn't lift for a duration of 2 and a half weeks, plus the lack of lifting my team did in general. I'd say look wise and weight wise I've kept some of the gains but I've lost all strength from the cycle.
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that's sucks man but the doctors sometimes are wrong I remember in 90s Flex Wheeler snap his spine in car accident they told him that he is done he come back to bodybuilding in 100%
 
bobi593 said:
that's sucks man but the doctors sometimes are wrong I remember in 90s Flex Wheeler snap his spine in car accident they told him that he is done he come back to bodybuilding in 100%
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They don't make em like Flex, Ronnie, and Dorian anymore. What a peak time in bodybuilding!
 
btw if i was you i would choose some light compound like osta which you can run long time even 12 weeks and try to get back your strength, strengthen your muscle especially around your neck before you hit something stronger DS/PH good luck.
 
bobi593 said:
btw if i was you i would choose some light compound like osta which you can run long time even 12 weeks and try to get back your strength, strengthen your muscle especially around your neck before you hit something stronger DS/PH good luck.
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Thanks for the input man, I've been thinking about that; in recovering faster than they ever anticipated so I might be back at it in time to hit the weights!! I'll let you know. First order of business is getting a few tests done then going from there!
 
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