Please help me understand what is going on..

justlupus

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First time poster.
I am a 30 year old male.
5’ 11”
160 lbs
Have been training for years.

4 weeks ago I started a cycle of Ostarine 25 mg ED, and LGD 4033 10 mg ED. Then, one week ago I added in MK 677 at 25 mg ED before bed. Ok, so a couple days after that, I added in a test base running 250 mg of Test Cypionate pinning Monday and Thursday. Also took Arimidex .5 mg on Monday and Thursday, planning on taking it on my pinning days.

Now, I took the stopped taking the MK 677 2 days ago as it was destroying my sleep. By then end of it I was already pretty out of it and with elevated anxiety levels from what, at the time, I believed to be from the horrible sleep I had been getting. Thursday, two days ago, I went for my second pin, shooting 125 mg IM into my thigh. The first time I shot I didn’t have any weird sides, everything was all good. Went in the gym that day and slayed it. However, last Thursday I forgot to aspirate the plunger before proceeding to inject. Right afterwards I got a good rather pronounced rush accompanied by anxiety etc. I had been experiencing slight “test flu” prior to that but it very quickly got worse. The following morning, Friday morning, I ended up going to the emergency room because I didn’t know what the **** was going on. I could barely breath, tight chest, etc.

The dominating majority of my symptoms went away once I was in the actual emergency room, and the doctor told me that it was anxiety/panic. He told me my heart is perfectly fine, electolytes etc everything fine. They did an EKG, chest x-ray; and blood work. He prescribed my 12 1 mg Ativan to help if it comes up again.

Now today, I took the first of the Ativan this morning after waking up at 6 am as I could feel the panic coming on. It is really something else. Now the anxiety/panic comes and goes. I also have almost no energy, very low appetite, and just an overall extremely low drive. I didn’t take the LGD or the Ostarine today as I feel like maybe I should just bail on the SARMS.

Can someone please help me understand what is going on? I want to continue with the test if at all possible. Is it low estrogen combined with some weirdness from the MK 677? Could have been that I hit a vein? A combination of all these things? Looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks in advance.
 
Mk677 wakes some people up. When you noticed that you should have skipped a day and taken it in the morning.

Steroids enhance anxiety. Period. If you can't handle that then you can't take them.

Testosterone will cause insomnia and anxiety just as bad as some of the worst if you're prone.

Lethargy from Ativan is not uncommon, lethargy from testosterone is not uncommon. Lethargy in the absence of anxiety without PEDs even, is also not uncommon.

Chances are, the test is what's wrecking your sleep, the MK is making you out of it, on top of the after effects of panic which are lethargy and zoning out...

You're just not a good candidate for PED usage.
 
Also, if you're an experienced lifter, and you only weigh 160lbs, what have you been eating these years? Hopes and dreams?
 
Old Witch said:
Also, if you're an experienced lifter, and you only weigh 160lbs, what have you been eating these years? Hopes and dreams?
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Got to be honest OP this was my first thought as well....

But yeah switching mk timing would have been an option.

Not sure many aspirate anymore, as long as you are in the standard injection sites it’s not needed.....
 
justlupus said:
You misspelled your name. It’s with a b not a w.
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Cheeky. Learn nothing and see if it affects me. Enjoy not understanding yourself, I guess.

I mean, for ****'s sake, you obviously haven't done any kind of research on these or you would know this already. You wouldn't have even had to ask here. You just took a bunch of drugs without much thought, but I'm the b1tch

Yeah, sure. Ok. Try food sometime. It's pretty good.
 
Yeah I get where you’re coming from. I was extremely skinny. My plan right now is to drop the test and finish out the sarms cycle. Do my pct and then think about doing a test only cycle. To see how that goes. Then hopefully be able to move on from there. I considered that as well with the mk but by the time that the four days of ****ed sleep had caught up with me I said **** it instead. I read that mk can effect the way in which you experience fear/stress or what have you. A combination of variables for sure but I’ve learned my lesson not to do much to quickly.
 
Is this your first cycle? If so then you should probably back off of all of it and use 1 compound at a time before adding new/multiple into the mix.

That way you know how each effects you so if you have a problem youre more likely to know whats causing it and not have to play guessing games like you are now.

Also dont ever underestimate drugs. Thats what these are. Even if theyre known for being typically "light." Youre still playing with your health and its really not different than someone jumping into a 4 compound stack of classic aas (test/deca/dbol/whatever) without ever having tried any of them before. Or banging heroin and coke without ever trying either before. Sounds like a bad idea right?

We all want to get big and strong often as fast as we can. But this is your life, these are powerful drugs, there are consequences. All of that should be consider in pretty thorough detail before undertaking anything.
 
As a general rule of thumb, I believe a cycle should be aborted if you end up in the ER. Even if you only went to the ER because your mind played tricks on you, drop the cycle, pct, and then gather yourself and think of a new plan for the future. At this rate you’re not going to enjoy the cycle anyway.
 
I believe you are scared and you feel dirty injecting yourself which is extremely normal.. What's also normal is to experiences dizziness without knowing why from syringes, piercings etc and it seems more common for men.

I must ask you though, are there any other reasons to why you should/would/could feel bad? Relationship problems?

I believe a lot of people take steroids not just to get bigger but to make improve themselves due to confidence issues and that doesn't always work as a reason to inject yourself.. It's not in everyone's nature to take steroids so it's very possible you're just anxious cause it's not who you are but you do it because you feel that you have to.

Hormones are also a powerful thing but i think its too early to say that is the problem.
 
I believe you are scared and you feel dirty injecting yourself which is extremely normal.. What's also normal is to experiences dizziness without knowing why from syringes, piercings etc and it seems more common for men.

I must ask you though, are there any other reasons to why you should/would/could feel bad? Relationship problems?

I believe a lot of people take steroids not just to get bigger but to make improve themselves due to confidence issues and that doesn't always work as a reason to inject yourself.. It's not in everyone's nature to take steroids so it's very possible you're just anxious cause it's not who you are but you do it because you feel that you have to.

Hormones are also a powerful thing but i think its too early to say that is the problem.
 
justlupus said:
First time poster.
I am a 30 year old male.
5’ 11”
160 lbs
Have been training for years.

4 weeks ago I started a cycle of Ostarine 25 mg ED, and LGD 4033 10 mg ED. Then, one week ago I added in MK 677 at 25 mg ED before bed. Ok, so a couple days after that, I added in a test base running 250 mg of Test Cypionate pinning Monday and Thursday. Also took Arimidex .5 mg on Monday and Thursday, planning on taking it on my pinning days.

Now, I took the stopped taking the MK 677 2 days ago as it was destroying my sleep. By then end of it I was already pretty out of it and with elevated anxiety levels from what, at the time, I believed to be from the horrible sleep I had been getting. Thursday, two days ago, I went for my second pin, shooting 125 mg IM into my thigh. The first time I shot I didn’t have any weird sides, everything was all good. Went in the gym that day and slayed it. However, last Thursday I forgot to aspirate the plunger before proceeding to inject. Right afterwards I got a good rather pronounced rush accompanied by anxiety etc. I had been experiencing slight “test flu” prior to that but it very quickly got worse. The following morning, Friday morning, I ended up going to the emergency room because I didn’t know what the **** was going on. I could barely breath, tight chest, etc.

The dominating majority of my symptoms went away once I was in the actual emergency room, and the doctor told me that it was anxiety/panic. He told me my heart is perfectly fine, electolytes etc everything fine. They did an EKG, chest x-ray; and blood work. He prescribed my 12 1 mg Ativan to help if it comes up again.

Now today, I took the first of the Ativan this morning after waking up at 6 am as I could feel the panic coming on. It is really something else. Now the anxiety/panic comes and goes. I also have almost no energy, very low appetite, and just an overall extremely low drive. I didn’t take the LGD or the Ostarine today as I feel like maybe I should just bail on the SARMS.

Can someone please help me understand what is going on? I want to continue with the test if at all possible. Is it low estrogen combined with some weirdness from the MK 677? Could have been that I hit a vein? A combination of all these things? Looking forward to hearing from you. Thanks in advance.
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That rush you experienced is either:
1. You’re own panic because you didn’t aspirate and aren’t versed with injections yet.
2. Hitting a vein.

There’s lots of theories on hitting a vein.
The chances of getting all the gear in a vein are probably 1:1,000,000
However, I’ve got some in a vein a few times maybe 3 times in about 1200 pins. Headache, rush, anxiety, tight chest, and every time: pain and pressure in the neck/lymph node area.

This tells me two things:
1. Even those of us that actually love needles can stress about it.
2. It’s either impossible to get gear in a vein, or if you do, it will be uncomfortable for 10 minutes and certainly won’t kill you.

Google mainlining testosterone.
Guys have done it, and have posted on a forum later that day about it.

You’ll be fine and you’ll get past this.

Or this is too stressful and not really for you.
 
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