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Been out of the game for a while looking to get back.

25yrs
5’ 10”
174lbs
10% BF
Maintenance: 2608 cal

Cycle experience:
Test E cycle w/ pct
2 Superdrol cycles - stupid high school no pct
Epistane w/ pct
Trendione w/ pct

Previous max lifts:
Bench: 315lbs
Squat: 450lbs
DL: 450lbs
Seated military: 225lbs x10 reps

Workout 5x /week
Cardio 3x /week (interval or circuit training)
200 pushups daily
50 pull-ups daily

Gear on hand: Trest, Superdrol, Msten, Epistane, Trenavar, Test E

Supports on hand: Tudca, gear support, cissus, fishoil, multivitamin, b vitamin

PCT:
Nolvadex (used it before w/ minimal sides and kept gains)
Then transition to natural test boosters

Should I have Adex and caber on hand (especially with trest)?

Arimistane on cycle? (already have some)
Dermacrine on hand?

Goal: gain as much mass and strength as possible (not worried about BF right now)

What of the above compounds should I run/stack?

Probably use the trest or test E as a base regardless. Possibly use Dermacrine as a base?

Just looking for positive and negative criticism/critiques!
 

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Id do the test E, kickstrt with superdrol. Finish last 4 weeks with epi and trenavar.

Dermacrine would be pointless next to test or treat.
 
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When you say big and strong I assume you mean overall and not for a specific competition on one day.

If that’s right, I would go test e kicked with Msten and capped with Epistane and Trenavar. Food is your biggest anabolic.

If you want to gain more solid muscle and less fat gain, a TRT dose of test under the Trest and put the Epistane somewhere, or low dose superdrol (10mg for 6 weeks).

Maximal strength for a contest would be as many drugs as you can handle/feel comfortable with, ending with the superdrol AND trenavar. This is gonna make you feel like trash and limit food intake and size gains, but would be strongest for a powerlifting meet for example. Not recommending. You will be harming your body.
 

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Id do the test E, kickstrt with superdrol. Finish last 4 weeks with epi and trenavar.

Dermacrine would be pointless next to test or treat.
Kickstart superdrol 10mg and taper up for 4 weeks? Start test E at same time (I’ve only ever tried 500mg a week), but willing to go more. What dose would you recommend? If I go test route probably 12 weeks on cycle.
Finish with epi and trenavar, what doses?

Thanks for the help!
 

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When you say big and strong I assume you mean overall and not for a specific competition on one day.

If that’s right, I would go test e kicked with Msten and capped with Epistane and Trenavar. Food is your biggest anabolic.

If you want to gain more solid muscle and less fat gain, a TRT dose of test under the Trest and put the Epistane somewhere, or low dose superdrol (10mg for 6 weeks).

Maximal strength for a contest would be as many drugs as you can handle/feel comfortable with, ending with the superdrol AND trenavar. This is gonna make you feel like trash and limit food intake and size gains, but would be strongest for a powerlifting meet for example. Not recommending. You will be harming your body.
You are correct, I am not competing in powerlifting or bodybuilding. Too many injuries limit me from 1 rep maxes and a couple surgeries where they shortened my tricep, bicep, and rotator cuffs and then moved my coracobracialis and pec minor. Looking for increased mass so I can cut later and be what’s more aesthetically pleasing in my opinion.

Please correct me if I am wrong you are recommending I do I test cycle (was thinking 12 weeks?). Then kickstart with msten, and finish with epi and trenavar. Then straight into pct.

Or your second option of like test 250mg a week with trest and then the other orals?

Eat a **** ton, I will definitely hit 1,000 cal above maintenance everyday and then if I can eat more in between set meals I will.

Can you recommend any doses you think would be appropriate?

Also is taking arimistane (already have some on hand) along with trest to minimize water retention and Gyno worth it? Or just wait and do nolva for pct and keep the adex and caber on hand during cycle for estrogen and prolactin issues.

Thanks man!
 

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Kickstart superdrol 10mg and taper up for 4 weeks? Start test E at same time (I’ve only ever tried 500mg a week), but willing to go more. What dose would you recommend? If I go test route probably 12 weeks on cycle.
Finish with epi and trenavar, what doses?

Thanks for the help!
Yes 12 weeks 500 on the test.

Run the superdrol at whtever dose youre comfortable for for first 4 weeks. As for epi and trenavar, id do 30 on the epi and 90 on the trenavar if im remembering that compound correctly.
 
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And also, thank God...

I couldn’t take another epiandro or 1/2/3/4Andro cycle advice today.
You’ve got some shyt that will actually put some meat on.
 
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You need nothing but Msten and Trest. Nothing will transform you like those 2 stacked.
Is it injectable? Ace?
 

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You need nothing but Msten and Trest. Nothing will transform you like those 2 stacked.
Is it injectable? Ace?
The trest is oral, I have 180 caps at 15mg. So I could run 90mg for 4 weeks.

I couldn’t find any injectable trest.
 
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The trest is oral, I have 180 caps at 15mg. So I could run 90mg for 4 weeks.

I couldn’t find any injectable trest.
Dosages are personal.

If it was me, I would say 12 weeks of 500 test e, first 4 weeks Msten at 20mg (30 would hinder appetite), last 4-6 weeks with 30 epi and 90 tvar, exactly like jRock said.

I would also pop the Trest purely as a preWO throughout the cycle for extra intensity and recovery, making sure to have plenty of carbs and EAAs or isolate intraworkout.

I would be using a low amount of real AI throughout the cycle since I aromatize a lot and have nolva on hand - I would need it for sure on the last bit of cycle with Tvar. Prami wouldn’t be necessary for me for only 4-6 weeks of it at that 90mg dosage.
 

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Dosages are personal.

If it was me, I would say 12 weeks of 500 test e, first 4 weeks Msten at 20mg (30 would hinder appetite), last 4-6 weeks with 30 epi and 90 tvar, exactly like jRock said.

I would also pop the Trest purely as a preWO throughout the cycle for extra intensity and recovery, making sure to have plenty of carbs and EAAs or isolate intraworkout.

I would be using a low amount of real AI throughout the cycle since I aromatize a lot and have nolva on hand - I would need it for sure on the last bit of cycle with Tvar. Prami wouldn’t be necessary for me for only 4-6 weeks of it at that 90mg dosage.
Thanks for the great advice!!
 

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I'm fine on aromasin with trest. It just depends on the person. Not a bad idea to have letro on have though.
I’m going to get some more letro and Mikva before I start.

Should I get some caber for prolactin too?
 
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Dosages are personal.

If it was me, I would say 12 weeks of 500 test e, first 4 weeks Msten at 20mg (30 would hinder appetite), last 4-6 weeks with 30 epi and 90 tvar, exactly like jRock said.

I would also pop the Trest purely as a preWO throughout the cycle for extra intensity and recovery, making sure to have plenty of carbs and EAAs or isolate intraworkout.

I would be using a low amount of real AI throughout the cycle since I aromatize a lot and have nolva on hand - I would need it for sure on the last bit of cycle with Tvar. Prami wouldn’t be necessary for me for only 4-6 weeks of it at that 90mg dosage.
I can’t for the life of me understand why guys try to hit 30mg Msten for 4-5 weeks.
Not. Worth. It. Unless you are just one of those guys that can eat harsh orals and keep appetite and aren’t slammed with lethargy. The gains aren’t much better than 20, and 20 is a hell of a lot more enjoyable as well as effective.
But I’m guilty of occasionally bumping up 10mg of anything I’m running on a big workout. So I’ve seen msten at 30 once or twice. I just assure you, 90% of guys over 35 won’t be eating by week 2 at 30.
 
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I’m going to get some more letro and Mikva before I start.

Should I get some caber for prolactin too?
I never needed caber with trest. I've only ran ace. I don't know the the oral compares. I usually don't need caber with short ester 19nors. Still not a bad idea to have on hand in case you need it.
 
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You shouldn’t need caber with the fast acting oral, it’s a super short half life. But Ralox or Nolva on hand is ideal because it can get wet quick by all accounts.
 
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I never needed caber with trest. I've only ran ace. I don't know the the oral compares. I usually don't need caber with short ester 19nors. Still not a bad idea to have on hand in case you need it.
Trest seems to need breast specific serms more than anything else. Or DHT.
I take so much letro already I don’t know if it makes a difference at all with Trest but I know Ralox and/or DHT will stop gyno quick on it.
 

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You shouldn’t need caber with the fast acting oral, it’s a super short half life. But Ralox or Nolva on hand is ideal because it can get wet quick by all accounts.
Yeah I am going to get nolva and letro before I start the cycle.
 

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You shouldn’t need caber with the fast acting oral, it’s a super short half life. But Ralox or Nolva on hand is ideal because it can get wet quick by all accounts.
Yeah I am going to get nolva and letro before I start the cycle.
 

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You shouldn’t need caber with the fast acting oral, it’s a super short half life. But Ralox or Nolva on hand is ideal because it can get wet quick by all accounts.
Yeah I am going to get nolva and letro before I start the cycle.
 

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Okay so I happened to come upon some SARMs (RAD140, LGD4033), the myostatin inhibitor YK11 and the “GHRH” MK677. Buddy of mine lost his balls and gave them to me for free.
I also have some DBol and Alpha one (M-1AD clone) laying around.

Probably stick to the cycle recommendations given above and hold off on the other stuff. But any modifications with the new found gear?
 

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Haven’t started anything yet by the way, still waiting on shipping for the PCT and to lockdown the doses.

Have all my cycle support, multivit/fish oil etc.., joint supps, BCAA/electrolytes/carb powder for intra-workout, preworkout/with carb powder, gear, and half of pct.

Will be taking in 1,000kcal above maintenance and readjust every week.

Alternating between strength workouts (5x5 compounds with accessories) and hypertrophy workouts focusing less on weight and more on maximal muscle contraction/tension.

Bloods were all good a month ago. Get checked every 2-3 months, so may not be immediately postcycle.

Any tips on how to recover from training sessions faster? Food, sleep, foam roll, stretch.

Any other advice is appreciated!

What am I missing here guys??
 
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Everyone’s gonna have a different opinion with their preference of your drugs on hand.
It’s no question for me.
Test 250-300
Trest 150-225
SD 10/day

No more SD than that though unless you want your appetite to go bye-bye.
Trest and SD, nothing on this planet will put as much muscle on you. And I mean muscle, not water.
But really, you’ve got plenty of effective drugs, that’s just what I would go for.
Hefty PCT too if you’re needing to recover. Or back to cruise.
 

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Everyone’s gonna have a different opinion with their preference of your drugs on hand.
It’s no question for me.
Test 250-300
Trest 150-225
SD 10/day

No more SD than that though unless you want your appetite to go bye-bye.
Trest and SD, nothing on this planet will put as much muscle on you. And I mean muscle, not water.
But really, you’ve got plenty of effective drugs, that’s just what I would go for.
Hefty PCT too if you’re needing to recover. Or back to cruise.
Yeah I like the sounds of your cycle idea.

Can’t have the appetite, disappear. If I can’t eat I can’t gain!

I guess I meant recovery between workouts?

PCT-wise Ill have plenty of nolva, letro, thinking about getting caber (won’t use unless bloods show prolactin issue). Run the nolva (letro on hand and using in cycle). Then once the real pct is over evaluate side effects, check blood work and probably just take some natural test boosters, zma and DAA. Until I’m ready for another cycle.

Matthersby keep coming with the advice! It’s greatly appreciated.
 
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DAA is only good when hypogonadal, like first 2-3 weeks tops of PCT. After about 400 test levels it will actually LOWER total test. I would only use first 2 weeks of PCT if bothering with it.

Mk677 isn’t a SARM and can be run anytime for any duration, although you may want to take Berberine with it to manage the increase in fasting blood glucose it may cause.

Food and SLEEP are the foundations of recovery. If those are maxed, adding some short 10-20 minute walks most days can speed recovery some, as can hot tub sessions - these serve to move blood through the body in a low impact fashion that does not inhibit normal necessary inflammatory pathways. Icing should be avoided outside injury.
 

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DAA is only good when hypogonadal, like first 2-3 weeks tops of PCT. After about 400 test levels it will actually LOWER total test. I would only use first 2 weeks of PCT if bothering with it.

Mk677 isn’t a SARM and can be run anytime for any duration, although you may want to take Berberine with it to manage the increase in fasting blood glucose it may cause.

Food and SLEEP are the foundations of recovery. If those are maxed, adding some short 10-20 minute walks most days can speed recovery some, as can hot tub sessions - these serve to move blood through the body in a low impact fashion that does not inhibit normal necessary inflammatory pathways. Icing should be avoided outside injury.
Oh I didn’t know that about DAA. I will look into it more. Thanks for the heads up!

As for the sarms I know YK11 and mk677 aren’t sarms. That’s why I listed them separately as a myostatin inhibitor and the latter a “GHRH”. Just can’t decide if I want to add any of them in or not. Thinking the mk677 would help with recovery and appetite. As for Berberine I have plenty on hand and chaos & pains predator (GDA/insulin mimicker). Never used it on cycle or with anything that effects GH levels, so I’ll research that as well. Any good ideas for timing wise?

Yeah will be trying to pound the food for sure!Sleep is a pretty bad issue for me, I have really bad chronic insomnia. Done the whole overnight sleep study, have seen a sleep specialist, psychiatrists have put me on countless meds the list goes on.. Currently taking Ambien, clonazepam, baclofen, phenibut, cbd oil and melatonin to help sleep. I have pretty good sleep hygeniene (same bedtime, wake time, wear a blackout mask, blackout curtains, cold room with light noise from a fan). I meditate nightly and have even tried a sleep hypnosis-Therapist. Any recommendations there too would be good.

I’ll try out the 10min daily walks. Kind of what Stan Efferding preaches I’m presuming? No hot tub or bathtub but I could take another hot shower or two a day.

Thanks for the advice @Hyde! Keep it rolling in, I always like to learn more.
 
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Oh I didn’t know that about DAA. I will look into it more. Thanks for the heads up!

As for the sarms I know YK11 and mk677 aren’t sarms. That’s why I listed them separately as a myostatin inhibitor and the latter a “GHRH”. Just can’t decide if I want to add any of them in or not. Thinking the mk677 would help with recovery and appetite. As for Berberine I have plenty on hand and chaos & pains predator (GDA/insulin mimicker). Never used it on cycle or with anything that effects GH levels, so I’ll research that as well. Any good ideas for timing wise?

Yeah will be trying to pound the food for sure!Sleep is a pretty bad issue for me, I have really bad chronic insomnia. Done the whole overnight sleep study, have seen a sleep specialist, psychiatrists have put me on countless meds the list goes on.. Currently taking Ambien, clonazepam, baclofen, phenibut, cbd oil and melatonin to help sleep. I have pretty good sleep hygeniene (same bedtime, wake time, wear a blackout mask, blackout curtains, cold room with light noise from a fan). I meditate nightly and have even tried a sleep hypnosis-Therapist. Any recommendations there too would be good.

I’ll try out the 10min daily walks. Kind of what Stan Efferding preaches I’m presuming? No hot tub or bathtub but I could take another hot shower or two a day.

Thanks for the advice @Hyde! Keep it rolling in, I always like to learn more.
Mk677 can be used any time on or off cycle. Take it in the day time for max appetite stimulation, but if lethargy becomes too much you can take it before bed instead (typically lethargy from Mk goes away in a week or so as you get used to it).

YK is a methylated 19-Nor and would be used as a finisher oral in a cycle to keep gains coming by lowering myostatin. It will be hard on connective tissue due to this and shouldn’t be used with heavy strength training.

Berberine and Predator would be good anytime before your bigger carb meals that are not peri workout. They raise AMPK and this is not desirable around training, where we do not want to mess with the inflammatory response for a couple hours at least.

Sleep I have no other advice beyond what you’re doing, except maybe try having a big serving of carbs before bed? That would be a good time to use your GDA or Berberine btw. Some people sleep better with carbs digesting. I absolutely love Insane Labz Nightmare 1-2x a week to stay asleep for a long time, but it doesn’t really help me get to sleep and could be dangerous with your meds - you would need to consult your doctor for real.

Exactly what Efferding preaches. It really helps recovery and digestion.

An extra hot shower would be worthwhile, and keep acne down.
 

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Mk677 can be used any time on or off cycle. Take it in the day time for max appetite stimulation, but if lethargy becomes too much you can take it before bed instead (typically lethargy from Mk goes away in a week or so as you get used to it).

YK is a methylated 19-Nor and would be used as a finisher oral in a cycle to keep gains coming by lowering myostatin. It will be hard on connective tissue due to this and shouldn’t be used with heavy strength training.

Berberine and Predator would be good anytime before your bigger carb meals that are not peri workout. They raise AMPK and this is not desirable around training, where we do not want to mess with the inflammatory response for a couple hours at least.

Sleep I have no other advice beyond what you’re doing, except maybe try having a big serving of carbs before bed? That would be a good time to use your GDA or Berberine btw. Some people sleep better with carbs digesting. I absolutely love Insane Labz Nightmare 1-2x a week to stay asleep for a long time, but it doesn’t really help me get to sleep and could be dangerous with your meds - you would need to consult your doctor for real.

Exactly what Efferding preaches. It really helps recovery and digestion.

An extra hot shower would be worthwhile, and keep acne down.
Okay so I’ll hold off on the YK11 and contemplate the mk77. Both with some extra research because I think I’m lacking in that area.

As for the sleep, yeah I consult with my primary care doctor and sleep specialist before adding anything there. Like you said it could be dangerous to change anything! At best I get 3hrs of sleep a night usually less. Still trying to fix that as I now it hinders my growth and many other physiological mechanisms.

The walks should be easy to implement and could always use the extra cardio. I’m trying to add size but I like cardio because of the cardiovascular benefits and it just makes me feel better mentally.

Yeah usually I’ve taken the nutrient partitioners with bigger carb meals. Just didn’t know if that changed while on cycle. Especially since some anabolics have nutrient partitioning effects themselves. Like I’ve read Sdrol especially does. Do you know if trest or msten have any significant nutrient partitioning effects?
 

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Yes. On a par with Sdrol. Combined those two are ridiculous at nutrient partitioning and body comp changes.
Good to know. So I will dose the GDA’s spaced out from my oral doses. Then could theoretically get a nutrient partitioning effect most of the day from multiple sources. So you wouldn’t desensitize to the effects as quickly?



As of now the plan is:
Did bloods a month ago- everything is spot on.


Test E 500mg/wk - 12wks
Msten 20mg/day - 4wks
Trest 90mg/day - 4wks

***4week oral break***

Epi 60mg/day - 4wks
Trenavar 90mg/day - 4wks


May need caber or letro on cycle so will have ready.

PCT 5 wks: letro, nolva (caber depending on bloodwork)

Final bloodwork


Ancillaries: p5p, multivitamin, vitB, VitD, vitC, fish oil, resveratrol, turmeric, cissus, glucosamine/chondroitin, tudca, taurine, Blackstone Labs Gear Support, preworkout, intraworkout, carb powder, protein blend, creative

Like I said I have some sdrol, dbol, m1ad, YK11, mk677, RAD140, and LGD4033 laying around. Probably save those for a later cycle though.

Also have some Arimistane, Epicatechin, Laxogenin, Phosphatidic Acid, Arachadonic Acid, DAA, maca powder and some natural test boosters (could turn in all that into an okay “natural stack”).

Still waiting to receive the letro and nolva in the mail though before I start.


Primary goals: strength and size

Secondary goals: not put on an excessive amount of fat (some will be acceptable), keep up cardiovascular fitness, injury-free (tend to get a little overzealous on cycle)

EAT, TRAIN, SLEEP

Concerns: recovery between workouts especially since I don’t sleep much (considering adding in some extra leucine, HMB or glutamine?)
HCG in pct to bring the boys back? Or wait for blood work?


LIBIDO on cycle: any ideas? arginine, citrulline mallate, carnitine, cialis)


Questions?
Comments?
Concerns?
Advice?

Thank-you guys for all the help!
 
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Not going back to reread so I apologize if redundant.
Trest I don’t know oral doses, so I imagine you researched it and 90 is fine. Msten=perfect, Test=perfect, t-Var=perfect, epi= I would, others wouldn’t, some feel like **** at 45, so you may need to back off, personally I would feel great on 60 epic.

It looks good, you’re going to see some amazing results with these combos, I know that much.
Don’t overthink it, just eat with a purpose and train your ass off.
Good luck
 

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Not going back to reread so I apologize if redundant.
Trest I don’t know oral doses, so I imagine you researched it and 90 is fine. Msten=perfect, Test=perfect, t-Var=perfect, epi= I would, others wouldn’t, some feel like **** at 45, so you may need to back off, personally I would feel great on 60 epic.

It looks good, you’re going to see some amazing results with these combos, I know that much.
Don’t overthink it, just eat with a purpose and train your ass off.
Good luck
Thank-you! Much appreciated!
 
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60mg epi has me feeling a little rough, but it’s the most effective dose. 80mg was no different and more sides - 60mg is the hot spot.

Tvar works slowly and I really recommend 120mg if you don’t need to purchase any more to run it higher.

Letro shouldn’t be used in PCT - transition to Exemestane then, which is better at restoring natural production, not hard on lipids, and suicidal so it’s much better to taper off with it.

Have Ralox on hand. You can take that if gyno pops up and not have to bomb as much AI to get things under control. Then you continue to grow and feel better and still don’t get titties.

If BP gets too high, consider trying Carditone. You should also consider adding Citrus Bergamot to your regiment if you’re using letro, and adding ground flaxseed to your diet, to help lipids.
 
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Good stuff here ^ I didn’t read your pct too well.
I think a quick 3 day blast of HCG could be helpful kicking off pct. some like to do it throughout, Ive done both and liked it briefly at the end after test is almost cleared.
 
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Good stuff here ^ I didn’t read your pct too well.
I think a quick 3 day blast of HCG could be helpful kicking off pct. some like to do it throughout, Ive done both and liked it briefly at the end after test is almost cleared.
I meant to mention that, you should take the HCG while test is clearing and before you begin SERM therapy
 

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Not to derail but a wuick side question: how long would does HCG last in the fridge. Done with what I have now but I have more than enough to kick off the beginning of my next pct if I wanted to
 

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Not to derail but a wuick side question: how long would does HCG last in the fridge. Done with what I have now but I have more than enough to kick off the beginning of my next pct if I wanted to
Get out of here, kid.
 

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Get out of here, kid.
Lol, definitely not a kid. Just new to most things injectable. I’ve seen where some people say a month and some people say it lasts much much longer than that. Figured I’d ask @Hyde or Matthersby while they were on the subject. I’m actually just about to start a cycle very close to yours which is why I was here reading this in the first place.
 

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Lol, definitely not a kid. Just new to most things injectable. I’ve seen where some people say a month and some people say it lasts much much longer than that. Figured I’d ask @Hyde or Matthersby while they were on the subject. I’m actually just about to start a cycle very close to yours which is why I was here reading this in the first place.
Then please start your own thread. Instead of high-jacking mine.
 
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