Planning future cycle; Athletic performance based

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Hey all,

As an athlete, I am looking into making the most out of an upcoming cycle for the spring. My sport is baseball and I am a pitcher. Looking to get myself to the next level. I am purely after the recovery, endurance, and strength increase that you get from cycles. I am already pretty big by baseball standards in terms of size and strength (6'5" 235lbs, squat 500lbs, dead 560lbs, bench 315lbs, powerclean 265lbs) so I'm not looking into something to blow up on. I am pondering the following for in season to recover and preform better:

16wks:
EQ 1-16 600mg /wk
anavar 4-16 50mg/day
cjc dac 4mg/wk
mk677 25mg/day

PCT: (Start 3 weeks after last EQ dose)
clomid 50/25/12.5/12.5
Nolva 20/20/10/10


Thoughts on this cycle? I know I won't blow up on this that is no the point. Like said I'm after more explosive power, endurance, recovery, and If anything it will be to maintain what I already have.
Some things I have contemplated:
Dosages, are they high enough?

Will I regret if I don't add some form of test? I have read of people using EQ for a test base, but have yet to find some good first hand experience.

Winny vs. Var : I chose Var because of the increased collagen synthesis and have read Winny dries you out super bad and causes joint problems. I also read that Winny causes tendons/ligaments to become more brittle/weak. Is this true or something that is total broscience?

I assume since I still want kids I would need to include hCG on cycle. What would be a good dosage for this? I haven't done much reading up on it as it didn't cross my mind until I sat down to type this.

Anything you would change? I'm super open to advice and to learn. Thanks in advanced.
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Gotta agree with Renew1, throw 100mg/wk of test e or c under that EQ and you’re set.

Estrogen buildup on eq is said to be slow but creeps up hard later on, so you’ll want an AI on hand definitely as you will most likely need it. There are anabolic calculators to see when estro will peak on the cycle.

Anavar is said to cause shin splints but I didn’t experience that at 40mg for 8 weeks in a stack even.

Also, you sure you can dope in season without issue? If not, just the CJC w DAC + Mk will make a noticeable difference in recovery and won’t pop you unless they tested IGF-1 levels.
 

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Gotta agree with Renew1, throw 100mg/wk of test e or c under that EQ and you’re set.

Estrogen buildup on eq is said to be slow but creeps up hard later on, so you’ll want an AI on hand definitely as you will most likely need it. There are anabolic calculators to see when estro will peak on the cycle.

Anavar is said to cause shin splints but I didn’t experience that at 40mg for 8 weeks in a stack even.

Also, you sure you can dope in season without issue? If not, just the CJC w DAC + Mk will make a noticeable difference in recovery and won’t pop you unless they tested IGF-1 levels.
Totally forgot about the AI, thanks for pointing that out.

as for doping, they don't test at my level because of money reasons, and the drug tests I have known they have done before just test for street drugs. The only thing I would be worried about would be for if i make it to the next level from the EQ... I know it has a long half life, but would I test positive say 8 months later?

This is just a rough outline, so I might just stick with the cjc dac if sourcing becomes a problem and/or I have reason to believe i will be tested. Yes definitely wont be testing for IGF-1 definitely way beyond the budget haha
 

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Personally, I would add low dose Test.
(Legitimate) Var is probably my favorite compound. Although it adds a lot of strength, I tend to stay relatively injury free while I'm on it.

Here's a good read for you to consider:

http://anabolicminds.com/forum/steroids/301579-clomid-during-cycle.html

I haven't had the opportunity to try it yet, but I will.
what dosage of test would you consider adding? Most I see for a cruise do 250mg/wk but would I even need that much?
 
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I agree with Hyde. You could just do 100mg. Some will recommend you add more, but you aren't looking for growth from the Test, just shutdown mitigation.
 
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Add Cardarine to that stack if you're looking for stamina from every angle. Not going to comment about the test base or AI because Renew1 and Hyde already nailed that one.
 
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I agree with Hyde. You could just do 100mg. Some will recommend you add more, but you aren't looking for growth from the Test, just shutdown mitigation.
Right, once you factor in the ester size, 100mg of test e is giving like ~70mg/wk of actual test - the high end of normal production, perfect to maintain healthy function without causing sides or driving up the total gear usage unnecessarily. All of the work will be done by the Bold.

I can’t imagine bold would pop for a urine or blood test in 8 months - they would have to be doing hair follicles or something crazy.
 
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12 weeks is too long for var imo.
Gf just pulled like 16 no issue for Strongest Woman in the World and America’s Strongest Woman.

Var has been run for like 6 months in women and kids in established human studies. It’s not uncommon for women in strength sport to flat out stay on it year round. It’s ultra safe, aside from ruining your lipids.
 
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Gf just pulled like 16 no issue for Strongest Woman in the World and America’s Strongest Woman.

Var has been run for like 6 months in women and kids in established human studies. It’s not uncommon for women in strength sport to flat out stay on it year round. It’s ultra safe, aside from ruining your lipids.
I've definitely used it for longer than 12 weeks, try 12 months.

Used to be in the 80s going off was you stopped pinning and kept taking anavar, bahahahahaha
 
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Gf just pulled like 16 no issue for Strongest Woman in the World and America’s Strongest Woman.

Var has been run for like 6 months in women and kids in established human studies. It’s not uncommon for women in strength sport to flat out stay on it year round. It’s ultra safe, aside from ruining your lipids.
Yea, but I doubt she was taking anywhere near 50mg, same goes for those who used it in the human studies. Not saying that it’ll kill you, just saying that 12 weeks of an oral at that dose is excessive.
 
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Yea, but I doubt she was taking anywhere near 50mg, same goes for those who used it in the human studies. Not saying that it’ll kill you, just saying that 12 weeks of an oral at that dose is excessive.
Humans have been studied at 50mg even back in the day I believe.

Here’s a meta-analysis of 4 different studies all using 20mg for various durations with links to each study, at least one for 5 months. There were many more they didn’t even include for various reasons:

http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&p****S0102-86502014001500068&lng=en&nrm=iso&tlng=en
 
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Hey all,

As an athlete, I am looking into making the most out of an upcoming cycle for the spring. My sport is baseball and I am a pitcher. Looking to get myself to the next level. I am purely after the recovery, endurance, and strength increase that you get from cycles. I am already pretty big by baseball standards in terms of size and strength (6'5" 235lbs, squat 500lbs, dead 560lbs, bench 315lbs, powerclean 265lbs) so I'm not looking into something to blow up on. I am pondering the following for in season to recover and preform better:

16wks:
EQ 1-16 600mg /wk
anavar 4-16 50mg/day
cjc dac 4mg/wk
mk677 25mg/day

PCT: (Start 3 weeks after last EQ dose)
clomid 50/25/12.5/12.5
Nolva 20/20/10/10


Thoughts on this cycle? I know I won't blow up on this that is no the point. Like said I'm after more explosive power, endurance, recovery, and If anything it will be to maintain what I already have.
Some things I have contemplated:
Dosages, are they high enough?

Will I regret if I don't add some form of test? I have read of people using EQ for a test base, but have yet to find some good first hand experience.

Winny vs. Var : I chose Var because of the increased collagen synthesis and have read Winny dries you out super bad and causes joint problems. I also read that Winny causes tendons/ligaments to become more brittle/weak. Is this true or something that is total broscience?

I assume since I still want kids I would need to include hCG on cycle. What would be a good dosage for this? I haven't done much reading up on it as it didn't cross my mind until I sat down to type this.

Anything you would change? I'm super open to advice and to learn. Thanks in advanced.
Whisky
Hey bro,

EQ seems like a great shout for your aims.

HCG is typically 500iu pw (2x250 pins) as a min (I’m using that now and seems to be working well).
 
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Var is not any oral. It is an exception to the normal rules.
I wouldn't run it 12 weeks, and there are no rules with this stuff, any1 Can run whatever they want however they want. I just gave my opinion, I wouldn't run any oral 12 weeks. There's other negative impact not just liver

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I wouldn't run it 12 weeks, and there are no rules with this stuff, any1 Can run whatever they want however they want. I just gave my opinion, I wouldn't run any oral 12 weeks. There's other negative impact not just liver

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I don't know, I'm pretty sure there are a few rules we never break under any circumstance...

You don't run M1T with other orals, for one thing. You don't use more than 20mg Superdrol, you don't use more than 150mg anadrol, you don't use tren on your first cycle, you don't ever take anywhere near 10mgs of methyl tren.. I could continue.
 
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I don't know, I'm pretty sure there are a few rules we never break under any circumstance...You don't use more than 20mg Superdrol.
Nah disagree with that one. I dont think 30-40mg is in the realm of blatant recklessness.
 
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Personally I don't think 12 weeks of var is excessive either. Just take supps to balance out your lipids and protect your liver and you will be ok. You are a dig dude, 50mg isn't THAT much, at all. They give 10mg to kids 1/5th your size for several months, maye even over a year if I remember correctly. You'll be aight.

Tbol would be another good option. The east germans dominated the Olympics on that stuff. If I remember right the dose for powerlifters was like 20-40mg. Just google east Germany doping turinabol and research a few articles. They have performance charts by dosage and everything on one site.
 
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Personally I don't think 12 weeks of var is excessive either. Just take supps to balance out your lipids and protect your liver and you will be ok. You are a dig dude, 50mg isn't THAT much, at all. They give 10mg to kids 1/5th your size for several months, maye even over a year if I remember correctly. You'll be aight.

Tbol would be another good option. The east germans dominated the Olympics on that stuff. If I remember right the dose for powerlifters was like 20-40mg. Just google east Germany doping turinabol and research a few articles. They have performance charts by dosage and everything on one site.
Damn, those Olympians didn't use much. I have a good friend who was a powerlifter in the 80s-90s in the Fresno scene and those dudes were using everything under the sun. The really crazy stuff they would do... We're talking months and months of anadrol at really high doses and taking Cheque drops and methyl tren together as a pre comp stack, and then smelling salts too cause I guess they just weren't in the zone enough already from all the rage in a bottle they already ate. Fxcking maniacs!
 
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I wouldn't run it 12 weeks, and there are no rules with this stuff, any1 Can run whatever they want however they want. I just gave my opinion, I wouldn't run any oral 12 weeks. There's other negative impact not just liver
Thank you for the reply - I suspected that’s what you meant, but if you knew something I didn’t I wanted to at least ask.

To each their own!

Something I was thinking about was the tendency for edema I noticed on 8 weeks of Var at the end - instead of 12 weeks straight over the 16 weeks of EQ, running 6 weeks at the start while EQ is just building as well as the last 6 weeks to finish strong would give the body a 4 wk break in between and probably produce better results throughout.
 
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Thank you for the reply - I suspected that’s what you meant, but if you knew something I didn’t I wanted to at least ask.

To each their own!

Something I was thinking about was the tendency for edema I noticed on 8 weeks of Var at the end - instead of 12 weeks straight over the 16 weeks of EQ, running 6 weeks at the start while EQ is just building as well as the last 6 weeks to finish strong would give the body a 4 wk break in between and probably produce better results throughout.
Edema is retaining fluids right? You sure it was real var and not low dose dbol. It's not uncommon for ppl to make it and sell it as var
 
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I don't know, I'm pretty sure there are a few rules we never break under any circumstance...

You don't run M1T with other orals, for one thing. You don't use more than 20mg Superdrol, you don't use more than 150mg anadrol, you don't use tren on your first cycle, you don't ever take anywhere near 10mgs of methyl tren.. I could continue.
Seen lots of ppl run 30-50mg of superdrol. And I got power lifting buddies that rub dbol and anadrol over 200mg the week of a meet
 
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Seen lots of ppl run 30-50mg of superdrol. And I got power lifting buddies that rub dbol and anadrol over 200mg the week of a meet
I would put that well into the realm of recklessness. But hey, it's their health. I suppose I did mean as a rule to maintain health. If a guy doesn't care how he feels or whatever then hey the sky is the limit.
 
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Edema is retaining fluids right? You sure it was real var and not low dose dbol. It's not uncommon for ppl to make it and sell it as var
Correct. Very sure; it was only in my ankles last couple weeks and I only noticed because my dress socks were leaving imprints after work. I was cutting so everything else was getting tighter. And gf was taking same batch and got lean and grainy ASAP.

I’ve never experienced that with any other compound.
 
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Correct. Very sure; it was only in my ankles last couple weeks and I only noticed because my dress socks were leaving imprints after work. I was cutting so everything else was getting tighter. And gf was taking same batch and got lean and grainy ASAP.

I’ve never experienced that with any other compound.
That's strange
 
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That's strange
Spurfy mentioned he can’t go over something like 30mg Var because his gums start bleeding - I thought that was weird AF. Then when I took Var my gums were aches for like 4 weeks...bizarre.

Like I said, Var doesn’t really play by the rules.
 
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I agree with everyone else; test base. And Cardarine. But you’ve got it nailed
 
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Spurfy mentioned he can’t go over something like 30mg Var because his gums start bleeding - I thought that was weird AF. Then when I took Var my gums were aches for like 4 weeks...bizarre.

Like I said, Var doesn’t really play by the rules.
It's not var if stuff like that is happening.
 
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Anadrol has been prescribed at 150mg for months. Sometimes medicin outweighs the illness, if not we wouldn't take it. As for taking it as a steroid for no really good reason it shouldn't be considered healthy and neither should var. I do think var have a lot of benefits over other steroids due to being so little androgenic.

I think people talked about bloat with var and thats very possible but mostly within the muscles. Var is not a steroid that dries you out, it's quite the opposite.. That being said it's still efficient to shred up with.


I have said this before but if you wanna play it safe and get pretty decent results run sd at 5 or 10mg which is arguably as healthy as var at 50 and has just as low androgenic effect and it will match it in gains of muscle, and.. It's cheaper.

If you want to shred up though I'd say var might be better
 
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I would put that well into the realm of recklessness. But hey, it's their health. I suppose I did mean as a rule to maintain health. If a guy doesn't care how he feels or whatever then hey the sky is the limit.
Not at all. Seen the bloodwork, seen the results. Given it's short term but nothing bad to note. I'm not a fan of long oral cycles but 4-6weeks of anything shouldn't kill you
 
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Not at all. Seen the bloodwork, seen the results. Given it's short term but nothing bad to note. I'm not a fan of long oral cycles but 4-6weeks of anything shouldn't kill you

Agree

The 4 to 6 weeks only exist due to prohormone market and companies not wanting to be sued. Very few are so dangerous but there are some like cheque drops, M1T etc that stands out from the rest.
 
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It's not var if stuff like that is happening.
We’ll have to agree to disagree. Like I said gf was eating out of the same jar concurrently and had no gum issues - you know sides are an individual thing.
 
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Totally forgot about the AI, thanks for pointing that out.

as for doping, they don't test at my level because of money reasons, and the drug tests I have known they have done before just test for street drugs. The only thing I would be worried about would be for if i make it to the next level from the EQ... I know it has a long half life, but would I test positive say 8 months later?

This is just a rough outline, so I might just stick with the cjc dac if sourcing becomes a problem and/or I have reason to believe i will be tested. Yes definitely wont be testing for IGF-1 definitely way beyond the budget haha
Is ad mk677 with that dac. Really makes a big difference. IGF DES is a great add on but if I had to choose what to stack with DAC first choice is mk677 ED or GHRP2 5xs a day.
 
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Gf just pulled like 16 no issue for Strongest Woman in the World and America’s Strongest Woman.

Var has been run for like 6 months in women and kids in established human studies. It’s not uncommon for women in strength sport to flat out stay on it year round. It’s ultra safe, aside from ruining your lipids.
Literally can live on it.
 
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Not bloat - bloat is everywhere under the skin. I was getting edema, specifically around my ankles.
Thankfully it doesn't do that to me. I have experienced edema before, but not on Var (thankfully).
 
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M e n t gives me edema in my dick. That thing swells up like a water balloon
 

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