PH's or DS that dont need a SERM

meatNcreatine

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The title says it all. I am brand new to the whole steroid/pro-hormone world. I ve been lifintg for 11 years and have plataued and cannot find a SERM for the life of me.

Anyone's suggestion? Or am I completely stupid for asking this question? lol

-Jon
 
If you honestly can't find a SERM on the internet with all the innovative research techniques, then I would advise you to not run a PH/PS/DS cycle... it makes me seriously doubt your researching ability in general.
 
futurepilot said:
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LoL, i guess i was asking for that!

And for those of you who are doubting my research abilities, i have researched for probably a year on PH's and steroids. The reason why I ask this, I am planning on running havoc 20/30/30/40 with all the staple cycle support supplements, but all these sites that i come across that supposedly sell S.E.R.M.'s seem to be bullshit....
 
meatNcreatine said:
The title says it all. I am brand new to the whole steroid/pro-hormone world. I ve been lifintg for 11 years and have plataued and cannot find a SERM for the life of me.

Anyone's suggestion? Or am I completely stupid for asking this question? lol

-Jon
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well having a serm is an optional .. yeah u should always have it ..but if you cant find one ..then stay away from Ph's man. Youre lifting for 11yrs ..im sure u know how to get huge, so you shuldnt need ph's ..but to answer your questions .. closest & safest ph = epistane ..but if i was to run it ..i still run serm/AI regardless of what ph im using, whether its epi or sdrol:food:
 
hdrol and epi have low sides and alot of people dont use a serm with them, but if ones available, i would go out and get it.
 
tnubs said:
if you had to run something without a SERM, those would be your best bet...
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yup agree with fool & tnubs

also you can run epi without a pct ..go to there offical website 4 more details

again i wouldnt do this ..but to help out a noob...




No PCT (Dr.D pulse method; take only 3X per week, preferably on lifting days):

Weeks Dosages
1 40mg (start at 10mg first day and move up 10mg each day)


2 40mg

3 0

4 0

5 40mg (start at 10mg first day and move up 10mg each day)

6 40mg


7-8 0
 
thanks for the help GQNemeisis..I have came across the pulsing method and i just want to run it straight and from what i have read, running it straight will give you the best gains.
 
meatNcreatine said:
thanks for the help GQNemeisis..I have came across the pulsing method and i just want to run it straight and from what i have read, running it straight will give you the best gains.
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Np .. and yes ofcourse it will .. if you are running epi .. look into PCS or similar product also run some kind of support all the way through pct

and good luck.
 
GQNemesis said:
Np .. and yes ofcourse it will .. if you are running epi .. look into PCS or similar product also run some kind of support all the way through pct

and good luck.
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I heard that Reversitol by IForce is a good pct supplement...you have any experience man? sorry for all the questions, but i gotta get knowledge somehow right!? lol
 
You guys are funny,

OP you need to re READ the responses:

as far as no serm, maybe epi/havoc, prostan solo ?
 
I would agree that if i had to chose 2 and had no access to serms, it would be h-drol/epi. Although, on this board most people are actually concerned for your health. They/we just don't want you to get some nice juicy man boobs after a "mild" cycle because you didn't have a selective estrogen blocker.

Just a suggestion.
 
ecu19 said:
I disagree. It is not 100% necessary.
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does ne one know what estrogen rebound is?

if you run serm only what happens to all the circulating estrogen in the body when the serm is discontinued. it raises quick. and an AI would ONLY Help

if you people need SERMs use SERM like PRODUCTS, most phyto estrogens. they will bind to the receptor obviously not as great as a real serm but next best thing to one.
 
crazyfool405 said:
does ne one know what estrogen rebound is?

if you run serm only what happens to all the circulating estrogen in the body when the serm is discontinued. it raises quick. and an AI would ONLY Help
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from what i understand Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators only disable the estrogen receptors around the chest... so it prevents rebound gyno and keeps the estrogen level stable...

i thought the incidence of rebound gyno was increased with AI's cuz it further shuts off estrogen after a cycle... then it flies back up
 
tnubs said:
from what i understand Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators only disable the estrogen receptors around the chest... so it prevents rebound gyno and keeps the estrogen level stable...

i thought the incidence of rebound gyno was increased with AI's cuz it further shuts off estrogen after a cycle... then it flies back up
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your body still produces its own estrogen when your androgen level rises, so blood levels of estrogen rise quickly when you come off the SERM
 
tnubs said:
from what i understand Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulators only disable the estrogen receptors around the chest... so it prevents rebound gyno and keeps the estrogen level stable...

i thought the incidence of rebound gyno was increased with AI's cuz it further shuts off estrogen after a cycle... then it flies back up
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Nolvadex mimics Estradiol, it doesnt "disable" anything, it more takes the place of.

Running an AI tapered down, after a SERM is always a good idea. It helps with regulation of estrogen.
 
you can do LG methyl1D .. u def wont need a serm for that .. but do follow it with an AI ..either formadrol or nolvedexxt
 
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