PHPS Cycle Advice

TestEinstein

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I've been researching my ass off for weeks now to get used to the new products that came out in the past 2-3 years. I've got some basic questions...here are my stats:

Age:25
History: 2 cycles; 10 week Test E 400mg, 10 wk testE 500mg, EQ 300mg, w/ 4-wk. DBol 30mg. About 20 lbs kept on each cycle.
Ht: 6'1.5"
Wt: ~220 (all time high 230); ecto-mesomorph
BF ~12
Experience: 11 years, seriously 7 years, very hard last 5 months trying to recover lost mass....starting to plateau

Goal: 10 lbs. mass, BIG strength gains, 4 weeks.

Concerning sides: Gyno (no 19-nor compounds), Liver (leaning away from SD for this reason)

No AAS source means everything will have to be unbanned and available online.

Questions:

1. What combination or standalone drugs your personal preference for this cycle...(eg H-Drol, HAVOC, w/ or w/o 10mgSD before workouts)?

2. Given the combination, what dose(s) would be indicated for best results and least liver strain?

3. Would a 4-on-8-off be best or a 2-on-1-off-2-on-one-off or any of the other pulse types?

PCT will be taken along with liver supps etc, etc. Diet will be very clean, as before.
Training cycle will repeat every 5th day with one day off per 5.


What I want is a general point of view as well as some insight as to what peoples' personal preferences and experiences dictate. Which drugs, which brands, what doses.
 
Also I can't find much in the way of lab test results for HDL/LDL and AST/ALT/Creatinine... if there's any compilation of info on this topic i'd appreciate a link. I don't usually like to trust generalizations about relative toxicity unless I know the drug, dose, duration, and test scores.

Thanks
TE
 
Goal: 10 lbs. mass, BIG strength gains, 4 weeks.

1. What combination or standalone drugs your personal preference for this cycle...(eg H-Drol, HAVOC, w/ or w/o 10mgSD before workouts)?

the only compound youll see BIG STRENGTH GAINS (IMO) are Tren and SD. My favorite oral cycle was pplex stacked with tren (19-nor) tren for strength and pplex for size

I hated epistane/havoc, waste of time and money IMO

2. Given the combination, what dose(s) would be indicated for best results and least liver strain?

Tough call, never had them tested. Just dose milk thistle throughout the day but avoid taking at the same time as the PH.

3. Would a 4-on-8-off be best or a 2-on-1-off-2-on-one-off or any of the other pulse types?

To get big strength gains, IMO I think pulsing is a joke. Id go 4 or 5 on and 8+ off

I just dont feel the orals anymore, they dont seem to ever get me the gains I hope for.
 
If by tren you mean X-tren or Tren Xtreme I think those ones are banned - or at least are listed as controlled substances. I figure if I'm going to worry about illegals I'd just go with test again, but again sources are a problem there...

I hadn't heard a lot of complaints about epistane/havoc. What was the issue?
 
If u are not willing to go with SD, then I would try out alpha one. Lotta good feedback on that one, although u may gain more than 10 lbs depending on ur diet. U have obviously learned how to use the search button recently, so look into it.
 
many people have very good results from SD at a low dose like 10mgs, with minimum problems. when you start hearing all of the horror stories such as liver failure and stuff is when people don't use the correct support supps, along with taking too high of a dose. again, you did say your liver is a big concern, but in order to get big strength gains, like nsmoney1 said, your best bets are tren and SD. another would probably be dymethazine, but the sides are similar to SD. almost any oral you find that increases strength drastically and adds that much weight to you, they usually are highly toxic... kinda sucks, but if there was one that is not, everyone would be on it, haha.
 
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TestEinstein said:
I've been researching my ass off for weeks now to get used to the new products that came out in the past 2-3 years. I've got some basic questions...here are my stats:

Age:25
History: 2 cycles; 10 week Test E 400mg, 10 wk testE 500mg, EQ 300mg, w/ 4-wk. DBol 30mg. About 20 lbs kept on each cycle.
Ht: 6'1.5"
Wt: ~220 (all time high 230); ecto-mesomorph
BF ~12
Experience: 11 years, seriously 7 years, very hard last 5 months trying to recover lost mass....starting to plateau

Goal: 10 lbs. mass, BIG strength gains, 4 weeks.

Concerning sides: Gyno (no 19-nor compounds), Liver (leaning away from SD for this reason)

No AAS source means everything will have to be unbanned and available online.

Questions:

1. What combination or standalone drugs your personal preference for this cycle...(eg H-Drol, HAVOC, w/ or w/o 10mgSD before workouts)?

2. Given the combination, what dose(s) would be indicated for best results and least liver strain?

3. Would a 4-on-8-off be best or a 2-on-1-off-2-on-one-off or any of the other pulse types?

PCT will be taken along with liver supps etc, etc. Diet will be very clean, as before.
Training cycle will repeat every 5th day with one day off per 5.


What I want is a general point of view as well as some insight as to what peoples' personal preferences and experiences dictate. Which drugs, which brands, what doses.
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look at ELIMINATION OF ALL SIDES N SHUTDOWN thread it may have what your looking for..let me know your thoughts after reviewing it
 
i would just run a straight havoc cycle @ 40-60mg/day for 4-6 weeks with a standard pct.

don't pulse, don't use superdrol or mdrol... u say you want BIG strength gains, well 4 weeks isn't really enough time unless you're on Dbol or Anadrol, SD actually can do this, but it isn't worth it... nothing is worth SD's sides ime
 
I agree, orals are just a waste of time and much too harsh on your body.

I ran a cycle of Epistane and my roommate ran Havoc for our first cycles. We researched and did everything to a T. Cycle support, diet, rest, training. The gains we experienced were just disappointing. And there were definitely no BIG strength gains from it. Strength went up slightly but thats about it. Everyone responds differently though.

Youre right X-tren is nearly impossible to find now, maybe you can get lucky on an online bidding site(dont know if I can post the name of site or whatev)
 
I've got no problem with the pinning, just with trusting something some dude pulls out of the trunk of his car. I dont need to shoot 10cc of peanut oil into my A$$. I'm probably going to go 50/75/75/75 hdrol with 10mg/day SD or 20mg/day Alpha-1 and log it online if anyone's interested. As I said before the pct and liver care is set...any final thoughts?
 
TestEinstein said:
I've got no problem with the pinning, just with trusting something some dude pulls out of the trunk of his car. I dont need to shoot 10cc of peanut oil into my A$$. I'm probably going to go 50/75/75/75 hdrol with 10mg/day SD or 20mg/day Alpha-1 and log it online if anyone's interested. As I said before the pct and liver care is set...any final thoughts?
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Honestly, SD just isn't worth it to me. You'd be better off Hdrol+Test E which is what I just did on my last cycle and it was really nice. Hdrol is a really nice compound if you don't get any sides, but for some reason I got sides on the 5th week or so. If you're worried about the guy selling you roids out of his trunk, just make your own. Just buy the powder and then mix it properly using a homebrew guide. I've never actually bought steroids already made before, and I never will. It's easier to find powder, cheaper, and to me it's safer since I know how it's being dosed and what all is going into it.
 
You don't trust some guy, but you trust these supp companies whose product is completely unregulated?

And you may be taking a small risk about what your pinning (peanut oil isn't going to raise liver values) but you are taking a large known risk by using these orals.

Think about it. I just assume most people on this board who run oral supp juice cannot be persuaded to pin, pin to win bro, pin to win.
 
onzero said:
You don't trust some guy, but you trust these supp companies whose product is completely unregulated?

And you may be taking a small risk about what your pinning (peanut oil isn't going to raise liver values) but you are taking a large known risk by using these orals.

Think about it. I just assume most people on this board who run oral supp juice cannot be persuaded to pin, pin to win bro, pin to win.
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Yeah, considering the amount of fake junk that's either underdosed or completely counterfiet out there, I sure as hell trust a supplement company more if their users have consistantly documented appreciable results. If some UG lab decides to tweak the BB/BA volume ratio I have no way to know about it. Dbol caps loaded with methyltest, 100mg test repackaged as 250/300...at least with supplement companies I know what results/sides can be expected overall and can adjust accordingly. As far as the orals vs injectibles there's no need to preach to the converted, I cringe at some of the ast/alt levels from methyls andI always loved injectible test. It's just more of a logistical pain in the a$$ (pins, aseptic technique, scheduling, etc.) that I can deal with as long as I know I have legit gear.

drixnak, you make a good point about the homebrewing, although I haven't done that since I did it for my housemates in college, and I was working in a professor's lab so i had better access to equipment and supplies. Making tren from cattle pellets, nice to go to an ag school. I'm going to look into it some more. Thanks.
 
True, well i guess what i"m saying is there is a large known negative effect on health of those orals regardless, but going with a source, you're only running the possibility of getting something bad...

just kind of looking at it from a diff POV
 
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