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Phosphatidic Acid Results

Swolbraham

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Well, I didn't run it, but my younger brother ran King. He was my test dummy. He doesn't track his diet but is one of those kids who has a ridiculous metabolism and can eat what he wants and not get fat. I just told him to EAT. I did control peri-workout nutrition, 1 scoop whey and a banana (or two poptarts) pre wo, 2 scoops Amino IV intra, and 1 scoop whey and whatever he wanted post wo. He basically had a toasted plain bagel with butter and a bowl of cheerios. Sometimes eggs, just made sure it was ample food.

So he ran it for 1 month, 1.5 year experience in the gym prior to this with me. he's now 21 years old. I control his training, periodization, intensity waves, etc. Half the time he's in there with me.

Pre King: 5'6", 154 lbs. Body fat around 12-13%

Bench: 200x1
Squat: 275
Deadlift: 275

Post King: 161 lbs, no change in body fat. Kid you not, if he gained any, you can't tell from the muscle fullness he possesses now. I'd have to say probably 2-3 lbs is improved glycogen retention many note from PA, but still, very impressive for a natty supp imo

Bench: 230x1
Squat: 275x6.. 300x1
Deadlift: 315x1 (This i don't take too seriously, since he just started deadlifting about 3 months ago)

I'll be checking his measurements tomorrow morning upon awakening to see if he truly gained some good muscle. Things he notes from a month of PA:

- Increased muscle fullness
- Appetite is up (In Hawaii, I watched him eat 2 baconators, 2 fry, and 3 large frosty's in one sitting... i almost threw up)
- Better pumps

Could it be noobie gains still? Idk, but nonetheless I'm impressed. I nearly poo'd myself when he told me to look at the scale this morning.

He dosed 2 pre and 1 post w/o with food.
kissdadookie you'd like this
 
Swolbraham said:
Well, I didn't run it, but my younger brother ran King. He was my test dummy. He doesn't track his diet but is one of those kids who has a ridiculous metabolism and can eat what he wants and not get fat. I just told him to EAT. I did control peri-workout nutrition, 1 scoop whey and a banana (or two poptarts) pre wo, 2 scoops Amino IV intra, and 1 scoop whey and whatever he wanted post wo. He basically had a toasted plain bagel with butter and a bowl of cheerios. Sometimes eggs, just made sure it was ample food.

So he ran it for 1 month, 1.5 year experience in the gym prior to this with me. he's now 21 years old. I control his training, periodization, intensity waves, etc. Half the time he's in there with me.

Pre King: 5'6", 154 lbs. Body fat around 12-13%

Bench: 200x1
Squat: 275
Deadlift: 275

Post King: 161 lbs, no change in body fat. Kid you not, if he gained any, you can't tell from the muscle fullness he possesses now. I'd have to say probably 2-3 lbs is improved glycogen retention many note from PA, but still, very impressive for a natty supp imo

Bench: 230x1
Squat: 275x6.. 300x1
Deadlift: 315x1 (This i don't take too seriously, since he just started deadlifting about 3 months ago)

I'll be checking his measurements tomorrow morning upon awakening to see if he truly gained some good muscle. Things he notes from a month of PA:

- Increased muscle fullness
- Appetite is up (In Hawaii, I watched him eat 2 baconators, 2 fry, and 3 large frosty's in one sitting... i almost threw up)
- Better pumps

Could it be noobie gains still? Idk, but nonetheless I'm impressed. I nearly poo'd myself when he told me to look at the scale this morning.

He dosed 2 pre and 1 post w/o with food.

@Invalid Link Removed you'd like this
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Sounds very similar to what I've noticed using the stuff (PA). Looks like similar weight gain trend as well. I was still on a deficit though during that first Micro-PA bottle. That could explain why you brother gained a bit more weight than I did. I gained around 3 lbs real quick and then it stopped jumping so quickly. When I went on maintenance/slight surplus with the second bottle, my arm came back to precut size and then some (basically, they grew, the stretch marks have it away, the measuring tape confirmed it).

Great ingredient IMHO. Even better when I started using the CM (CM allowed for the quicker recovery which went very well with the increased anabolism from the PA).
 
Yeah I can't wait to start reversing and seeing what CM and PA can do. Throw in some (-) epi too and maybe ABE or XGels.
Boom. Prob will bridgem all out
 
Just keep him on that diet and take him off the supp. If the gains keep coming for even stay the same you'd at least know that they partially came from the managed diet and not the supp.
 
fueledpassion said:
Just keep him on that diet and take him off the supp. If the gains keep coming for even stay the same you'd at least know that they partially came from the managed diet and not the supp.
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that's exactly the plan. he's off of it now and we're gonna continue to throw copious foods. interested to see if he'll drop a bit of wait from lack of glycogen retention many see from PA
 
Swolbraham said:
that's exactly the plan. he's off of it now and we're gonna continue to throw copious foods. interested to see if he'll drop a bit of wait from lack of glycogen retention many see from PA
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I wonder if I would lose some glycogen and water if I stop using PA, but I have months worth on hand, not a concern for a long while :P
 
Swolbraham said:
Well, I didn't run it, but my younger brother ran King. He was my test dummy. He doesn't track his diet but is one of those kids who has a ridiculous metabolism and can eat what he wants and not get fat. I just told him to EAT. I did control peri-workout nutrition, 1 scoop whey and a banana (or two poptarts) pre wo, 2 scoops Amino IV intra, and 1 scoop whey and whatever he wanted post wo. He basically had a toasted plain bagel with butter and a bowl of cheerios. Sometimes eggs, just made sure it was ample food.

So he ran it for 1 month, 1.5 year experience in the gym prior to this with me. he's now 21 years old. I control his training, periodization, intensity waves, etc. Half the time he's in there with me.

Pre King: 5'6", 154 lbs. Body fat around 12-13%

Bench: 200x1
Squat: 275
Deadlift: 275

Post King: 161 lbs, no change in body fat. Kid you not, if he gained any, you can't tell from the muscle fullness he possesses now. I'd have to say probably 2-3 lbs is improved glycogen retention many note from PA, but still, very impressive for a natty supp imo

Bench: 230x1
Squat: 275x6.. 300x1
Deadlift: 315x1 (This i don't take too seriously, since he just started deadlifting about 3 months ago)

I'll be checking his measurements tomorrow morning upon awakening to see if he truly gained some good muscle. Things he notes from a month of PA:

- Increased muscle fullness
- Appetite is up (In Hawaii, I watched him eat 2 baconators, 2 fry, and 3 large frosty's in one sitting... i almost threw up)
- Better pumps

Could it be noobie gains still? Idk, but nonetheless I'm impressed. I nearly poo'd myself when he told me to look at the scale this morning.

He dosed 2 pre and 1 post w/o with food.

kissdadookie you'd like this
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I really love PA. One of the best supps i have tried.
Weight and strength gains WITHOUT changing diet or workoutplan.

at the beginning I dosed 750 mg prior training every day ( off days 750mg in the middle of the day).
Then I increased to 1.5 gram and things began to happen:

-weightgain
-sweating like mad during workout and generaly sweating muuuuch more
-apetitte is up (my stomach feels like a black hole).
-Strength gains
-muscle fullness

i do admit for me I feel difference from 750 to 1.5 gram. I am using biotest Micro-PA.
Will start with it tomorrow (been on follidrone 1 month without any other supps with ir).

I mean apetitte,sweating,musclefullness if not there like when i am on PA..

Been using it since april
 
Where did you purchase your PA from? I've been looking at a few websites but want to make sure I order from a reputable source. Thanks!
 
abofar99 said:
Where did you purchase your PA from? I've been looking at a few websites but want to make sure I order from a reputable source. Thanks!
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MICRO-PA from Biotest,Cutler Nutrition King And Maxmuscle Maxxtor is Containing PA from Chemi Nutra (Mediator) . it is Soy derived and there is study showing its better than egg derived..

In phase one, soy-phosphatidylserine, soy-Lyso-PA, egg-PA, and soy-PA stimulated mTOR signaling, and the effects of soy-PA (+636%) were significantly greater than egg-PA (+221%). In phase two, PA significantly increased lean body mass (+2.4*kg), cross sectional area (+1.0*cm), and leg press strength (+51.9*kg) over placebo.
 
kissdadookie said:
I wonder if I would lose some glycogen and water if I stop using PA, but I have months worth on hand, not a concern for a long while :P
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If you have months worth, a couple weeks off wouldn't hurt, for the sake of... science? Lol. ;) ;) ;)

I haven't followed logs, I hate reading them, but I'm curious what happens when you stop.
 
kissdadookie said:
I'll let others experiment, I like where I'm at :P
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personaly i hate taking break from this.have been off twice and both times i noticed decrease in my apetitte,not sweating so much as on PA, strength is not the same and i dont feel the same vascularity ..
I have ordered 10 more bottles but customs here are idiots.my parcel is still with customs. Clearance processing...

I will buy more bottles soon. Maybe increase dosage to 2 gram.
1.gram prior and 1.gram after workout
 
Update

To update, his weight 1 week after discontinuing King is 160 lbs. A loss of 1 lb. Pumps aren't the same with just a normal stim based pre he says. Energy in the gym is the same, muscle fullness feels very similar, but just the pumps are gone
 
Swolbraham said:
To update, his weight 1 week after discontinuing King is 160 lbs. A loss of 1 lb. Pumps aren't the same with just a normal stim based pre he says. Energy in the gym is the same, muscle fullness feels very similar, but just the pumps are gone
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So bizarre that the stuff gives pumps. I usually discount people's mentions of additional pumps and usually strike it to placebo, but maybe there is something to this PA pumps theory. Maybe I just never had issues with pumps or vascularity so don't notice.
 
ma70 said:
I really wanna try this stuff. I hope i'm not a non-responder :D
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Actually, if a product is good as it is claimed there would.not be "non responder". But yes we all react differently to things. If u and i ran 200mg test each week for 2.months and we ate the same and had same workout routine ofcourse we would.get different results but it would work:)

PA is good stuf and I need to admit,personaly i have increased f
dosage.from.750mg (as used in studies) to 1.5gram. It worked much better and it is no sides at all.
 
Danes I would love to see you try Magnitropin. Its on sale at nutraplanet now and knowing your extensive history with natty anabolics I'd love to see your feedback
 
Swolbraham said:
Danes I would love to see you try Magnitropin. Its on sale at nutraplanet now and knowing your extensive history with natty anabolics I'd love to see your feedback
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Actually i was looking at magnitropin 40 min ago and i will do 8 weeks run from september:) thanks for suggesting me this product
 
Subbed for results. Owner of local nutrition shop put Cutler's KING on his "wall of shame" claiming that him and his testers felt nothing off of it after running for 12 weeks. Not 100% sure of his dosing though.
 
frankz2 said:
Subbed for results. Owner of local nutrition shop put Cutler's KING on his "wall of shame" claiming that him and his testers felt nothing off of it after running for 12 weeks. Not 100% sure of his dosing though.
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How does that shop owner run something for 12 weeks when the stuff has only been available to retailers for at most, 2 months?
 
frankz2 said:
Subbed for results. Owner of local nutrition shop put Cutler's KING on his "wall of shame" claiming that him and his testers felt nothing off of it after running for 12 weeks. Not 100% sure of his dosing though.
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Strong first post bro.i smell bull****
 
What he told me, hence my subbing to this thread. Wasn't informed enough on the products to call him on it but certainly wish I had been.
 
Had me concerned I was offending people 3 posts in. Definitely a supp I am curious about and look forward to seeing outcomes of this "experiment".
 
Good feedback OP, King is one of the best supps on the market right now in my opinion.

X-Factor, MyoSynergy and King are my three fav muscle builders out there currently.
 
Caved and ordered some King, seeing good feedback too many places.

Will be part of my Natty Recomp stack of the gods coming in 2-3 weeks.
 
Driven2lift said:
Caved and ordered some King, seeing good feedback too many places.

Will be part of my Natty Recomp stack of the gods coming in 2-3 weeks.
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Feedback has been pretty great on PA to begin with for a long while, people just tend to write off Biotest as crap ;)
 
kissdadookie said:
Feedback has been pretty great on PA to begin with for a long while, people just tend to write off Biotest as crap ;)
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Probably the sad truth

Brand power and reputation is too relied upon in a lot of cases

Ideally we would all make purchases based on ingredient panels, studies, and unbiased reviews
 
I'm going:

Clear Muscle + XGels + King

Then transition to CM / Magnitropin / King

Then::::

Magnitropin
King
Clear Muscle
EP1C
Alphadex
 
ma70 said:
I wish there was a BOGO for Magnitropin instead of it being bundled with the AI. :(
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Available on NutraPlanet for 20% off. 2 weeks only.
 
ma70 said:
I wish there was a BOGO for Magnitropin instead of it being bundled with the AI. :(
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i'm running the AI right now and it's pretty effing potent.

Tbh, i view it a lean gaining stack. the magnitropin's gonna pack on size, but the Alphadex will keep estro low/water weight down so you get that dry shredded look while gaining mass. I'll be stacking the two for sure after I run each on individually. Alphadex first

Plus 20% off at Nutraplanet right now is a damn good price!
 
kissdadookie said:
So bizarre that the stuff gives pumps. I usually discount people's mentions of additional pumps and usually strike it to placebo, but maybe there is something to this PA pumps theory. Maybe I just never had issues with pumps or vascularity so don't notice.
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From an MOA perspective, I'd like to see how this increase vasodilation.
 
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