Pheraplex Shop Talk

I'm about to run CEL's P-plex, which has test results on their website showing 99% purity and correct dosage of 15mg per pill.

I'm thinking 6 weeks, depending on gains, unless I get bad sides. Dosage will probably be 15mg week 1 and 30mg thereafter, if I feel the need to bump to 45 for the last two weeks I just might.
 
Are we sure PPlex is a wet gainer? I've read a few different reports about this. Some say its pretty dry. In fact, the companies' "fact sheet" says:

"...2ene simply cannot convert to estrogen, so there is no bloating."

also:


"As for the need for ancillaries, a dedicated anti-e will be unnecessary with Phera-Plex if taken by itself."

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I only ask because I"m wondering if I should take formestane.
 
edwards said:
Are we sure PPlex is a wet gainer? I've read a few different reports about this. Some say its pretty dry. In fact, the companies' "fact sheet" says:

"...2ene simply cannot convert to estrogen, so there is no bloating."

also:


"As for the need for ancillaries, a dedicated anti-e will be unnecessary with Phera-Plex if taken by itself."

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I only ask because I"m wondering if I should take formestane.
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Majority of reports sway toward wet gains. But occasionally some talk about dry/hard gains, even to the point that joints are affected.

I plan to go with about 80mg form from day 10 or 14 if gains become sloppy. IF I run the form on cycle, it will be bridged into post cycle to be used as my AI as well. Once the torem starts to taper, i'll gradually ramp the formestane inversely. Although some say it isn't necessary, I will then taper form for a 5th and 6th week of post cycle.

If MAJOR bloating or signs of gyno occur, I have a plan B to jump on an epi bridge... I'll be playing it by ear and only problem solve with formestane or epi if I have to.
 
celc5 said:
Majority of reports sway toward wet gains. But occasionally some talk about dry/hard gains, even to the point that joints are affected.

I plan to go with about 80mg form from day 10 or 14 if gains become sloppy. IF I run the form on cycle, it will be bridged into post cycle to be used as my AI as well. Once the torem starts to taper, i'll gradually ramp the formestane inversely. Although some say it isn't necessary, I will then taper form for a 5th and 6th week of post cycle.

If MAJOR bloating or signs of gyno occur, I have a plan B to jump on an epi bridge... I'll be playing it by ear and only problem solve with formestane or epi if I have to.
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Please elaborate on how you would use epi to halt gyno on cycle. This sounds like something I might need to use someday since I have some wet compounds that I am trying to use up soon.
 
Goat said:
Please elaborate on how you would use epi to halt gyno on cycle. This sounds like something I might need to use someday since I have some wet compounds that I am trying to use up soon.
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Well I'm sure there are WAAAY more knowledgable people who can explain epi's gyno fighting properties. My thinking is that I've seen several plans and 1 log of PP bridged into epi. In the past, I believe people used to dry up the PP gains with SD... now epi being the lesser evil anecdotally.

So if things get soggy so to speak, I'll start ramping the formestane. Plan B would be to swap over to the epi to dry things out if it's early in the cycle. If I'm happy with my gains at 2 or 3 weeks in, then simply move on to post cycle.
 
This compound sounds like a pain. I have one bottle of CEL PPlex. My biggest fear is acne. I have it already and dont want more.

In light of this thread, i will Pulse PP and see how that goes. I have 3 Mdrol and 2 Hdrol anyway also. So prolly goin to "dirty" bulk with this. I am thinking...
M/W/F or Tue/Thu/Fri due to schedulae form school and work.
week one at 15mgs and then 30 there after?
Would a pulse even be worthy of using an AI though? A test booster on off days. I have somethinking to do about this compound...
 
I was thinking of doing a 3 week pulse of p-plex and then immediately doing a 3 week pulse of m-drol. Any thoughts???
I just finished a 4 week pulse of m-drol and it was very successful.
 
pman said:
On my last cycle my test booster had a AI in it and i had good luck with it. I did a half dose everynight.
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Which AI did you use?
The idea to branch form PP- Mdorl would be ok. The only issue i see would be PP seems to be run longer to see more effects and they are both methylated. Tough to say.
 
MentalTwitch said:
Which AI did you use?
The idea to branch form PP- Mdorl would be ok. The only issue i see would be PP seems to be run longer to see more effects and they are both methylated. Tough to say.
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I used one called NITRO T3...and for the cycle idea, maybe i should do 4 weeks of p-plex and then do 2 weeks of m-drol....i got most of my gains off m-drol in the first 2 weeks anyway.
 
i just started a fura/pp cycle. even though the fura is dry (as in it doesn't aromatize) i dont think it would do anything if pp starts getting wet. Most pp logs i read had it being dry to mildly wet; if it turns out different, is an OTC AI good enough, at the suggested dosing? Competitive or suicide AI?

thanks
 
i've got three bottles of pplex but the more i think about the possible androgenic side effects and the possibility of my heart's left wall being thickened, its less and less appealing. any other thoughts?
 
edwards said:
this is why i'm iffy on it
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I see your point... However, if one cycle of phera gives me a heart attack, I was going to die anyway :head: I LOVE the discipline of planning, training, and being strict on diets in prep for a cycle. So, IMO the small risk of disastrous sides is worth it to enhance my FAVORITE hobby... much like it was for me with football and kickboxing, or for my buddies who go 4-wheelin, etc etc

I'd say this is an issue with all steroids but could possibly be more pronounced with DMT... OR, just like all the theories that we get thrown at us, it just so happens that DMT is the only one that's been studied in this manner.

We could go on and on about risk vs. reward with steroids and I don't see the need to beat it into the ground.
 
I don't see the point in risking your heart being enlarged if you're not even going to compete and make money off of your body.
 
A buddy of mine from the gym insists that if you're taking Phera-plex, you shouldn't take your last dose too late in the day so as to minimize conversion to estrogen. Any truth to this advice? I was planning on dosing 10mg PP at 6am, 2pm and 10pm (i.e. 30mg/day at eight hour intervals) but now I'm starting to second guess this strategy based on the above. Can anyone confirm or refute this theory?
 
AM07 said:
I don't see the point in risking your heart being enlarged if you're not even going to compete and make money off of your body.
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I thought I read elsewhere on this board that the heart enlarging effects were temporary and could be more quickly reversed by taking resveratrol. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
 
Ninjo said:
A buddy of mine from the gym insists that if you're taking Phera-plex, you shouldn't take your last dose too late in the day so as to minimize conversion to estrogen. Any truth to this advice? I was planning on dosing 10mg PP at 6am, 2pm and 10pm (i.e. 30mg/day at eight hour intervals) but now I'm starting to second guess this strategy based on the above. Can anyone confirm or refute this theory?
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You are overthinking it.

Anabolism does not just occur right after dosing. It is a process that is triggered by the taking of AAS not by timing ASS. The same is true w/ androgenic effects as well as estrogen conversion. In other words the dose you take today will effect what happens tomorrow and the next day...

Also estrogen has a very real benefit to strength gains. As testosterone rises you want estrogen to rise as well. A multi-week Phera-plex cycle is probably not of a long enough duration to worry about inhibiting estrogen.
 
Ninjo said:
I thought I read elsewhere on this board that the heart enlarging effects were temporary and could be more quickly reversed by taking resveratrol. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
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ya this topic has been beat to death... that's why I didn't get into it.

Theoretically, PP isn't supposed to aromatize AT ALL. I also have a feeling the occasional gyno isn't from estrogen conversion. I'd be curious if you find out anything else in that regard.

Plus, in 50,000 comments i've seen on PP, at 30mg, you should be in the clear for estrogen sides UNLESS you have some sort of pre-existing problem to aggravate. Again, if you find out otherwise, I'd be all ears.
 
Ninjo said:
I thought I read elsewhere on this board that the heart enlarging effects were temporary and could be more quickly reversed by taking resveratrol. Maybe I'm remembering it wrong.
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A study or studies were posted showing that the thickening dissipated over time. So that was a sigh of relief because it appeared that the damage was not permanent and it was felt that a PP cycle probably wouldn't cause irreversible damage.

But nobody knows for sure...it is probably wise not to run a lot of PP cycles, especially close together.

I don't know about resveratrol.
 
datBtrue said:
A study or studies were posted showing that the thickening dissipated over time. So that was a sigh of relief because it appeared that the damage was not permanent and it was felt that a PP cycle probably wouldn't cause irreversible damage.

But nobody knows for sure...it is probably wise not to run a lot of PP cycles, especially close together.

I don't know about resveratrol.
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thanks for the info
 
increased focus in the gym and strength increases that just keep coming. Maybe a lil hair shedding. Good mood. nice gains in size. I had more definition while on PP, didnt seem like i was holding much water like others say. Search and ye shall find.
 
pistonpump said:
increased focus in the gym and strength increases that just keep coming. Maybe a lil hair shedding. Good mood. nice gains in size. I had more definition while on PP, didnt seem like i was holding much water like others say. Search and ye shall find.
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Honestly i did some searching but didn't see many PP pulses, mainly superdrol and epi....i've done a m-drol and was wondering how it compared.
 
pman said:
Honestly i did some searching but didn't see many PP pulses, mainly superdrol and epi....i've done a m-drol and was wondering how it compared.
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oh pulses..... i thought you were talking about it in general using conventional cycle methods. In my experience it was like night and day between sd and pp, pp i had no sides with and sd i could not stand to stay on it. I gained more on PP too, maybe cause i was really feeling like a turd on SD.
 
I've noticed that with PP most of the gains come after about 2 weeks...soo in the first 2 weeks do you gain nothing or just very minimal???
 
pman said:
I've noticed that with PP most of the gains come after about 2 weeks...soo in the first 2 weeks do you gain nothing or just very minimal???
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i'm almost at the end of week 3 of pp and the gains indeed come after 2 weeks, strength was increasing in the second week though.
 
I'm half way through the 2nd week and it seems like i'm gaining a little around the waist so can i cut the carbs back a little bit????
 
celc5 said:
I'm considering a round of pheraplex. So, let's talk :head:

Here's the characteristics that I've found so far. I'd like to hear disagreement, agreement, clarification, and explanation.

-Methylated
-Wet bulker
-gyno risk, but I haven't seen it when dosage doesn't exceed 30mg
-wrecks joints for some, no joint issues for others regardless of dosage
-big time acne (although I'm not susceptable so I don't care)
-no mention of shedding (I am susceptable but have come to terms with the fact that I'll need to buy stock in bic soon enough :lol:)
-enhanced mood (anyone have rage?)
-I haven't seen pumps mentioned (I'm concerned about this as I am susceptible)
-libido is initially enhanced for the first 2 or 3 weeks but I don't hear any mention of it after that point
-terribly lethargic for some, just the opposite for others

Technical so correct me if I'm wrong:
-very similar to lmg although lmg is more "dirty"
-2 ene = pheraplex
-3 ene = lmg
-2 ene and 3 ene have same propensity for androgenic sides
-2 ene is more anabolic though
-therefore, lmg and pheraplex have the same sides but should theoretically get more results for pheraplex

My tentative plan would be to run 15mg for 3-5 days and then bump to 30mg for approximately 4 weeks. I also plan to run Formestane (E-form) while on cycle to address aromitization and bloat.

I'm also considering other compounds and stacks but want to make sure I make an educated decision before jumping the gun.
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Nice work...looks like you've done your research. Just a little clarification:

Ergomax lmg was a combination of both 2-ene AND 3-ene with about 70% being the 2-ene and 30% being the 3-ene.

SNS methylplex was entirely 2-ene, but it was a mix of both the alpha and beta isomers (while pheraplex was supposedly 100% alpha). Methylplex was tested a couple years back and found to be roughly 80% alpha and 20% beta...alpha being the more potent of the two (although the beta will still have anabolic activity).

I'm willing to bet that most clones out there are more similar to the methylplex, being a combination of the alpha and beta isomers of 2-ene. In all reality though, you probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference between ergo, methylplex, and phera.

As far as effects go, I've only used the ALRI ergomax to this point. I noticed no change in libido for the first 2-3 weeks, but then the libido certainly decreased after the 3rd week (ran it for 5 weeks). In addition, it really jacked up my BP. Although most find this compound to be "wet", I experienced much less bloat than I did on superdrol.
 
I'm 2 and a half weeks into a p-plex pulse cycle and have gained very very minimum at 45mg per pulse days...should i consider upping it to 60mg per pulse day or just ride it out????
I gained good on my m-drol cycle soo i was hoping for good things off of p-plex...diet and exercise is all in check
I'm 263lbs if that makes a difference also
 
never really heard of anyone going to 60mg but im sure there are people doing that out there. I wouldnt push that far personally. I think maybe your time between cycles was too short or pp is just not well suited for a pulse. How are you pulsing it? I really think its the time between cycles thats doing it. It could also be just something that doesnt work to well with you, for me it worked good and superdrol kinda sucked...maybe since youre a superdrol guy it pp doesnt work so well with you??? idk.
 
pistonpump said:
never really heard of anyone going to 60mg but im sure there are people doing that out there. I wouldnt push that far personally. I think maybe your time between cycles was too short or pp is just not well suited for a pulse. How are you pulsing it? I really think its the time between cycles thats doing it. It could also be just something that doesnt work to well with you, for me it worked good and superdrol kinda sucked...maybe since youre a superdrol guy it pp doesnt work so well with you??? idk.
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Yea you did jump to it failry fast. Its possible that you may respnd better to others becasue of how they act. On my SD cycle(current) goin into week 3 im up 5lbs. maybe 2 water. Im waitin it out to see how i respond to others thouhg before i get fusy.
Win some lose some.
I would just say before your next PH go a few months off. Try out regular supps if you really need to take something.
 
I just don't see the logic in pulsing phera. It takes about 3 weeks to kick in for a lot of people even on a straight cycle. How is a relatively slower acting oral going to build up in your system for effect? Maybe pulsing SD or Tren but not phera IMO. ...especially for a big dude like you with a few cycles under your belt.

Not a personal dig but, in general, I see pulsing as 1/2 committing to a cycle.
 
I did jump in too soon but i got anxious...my bad but i will still probably ride it out for 4 to 5 weeks and then take some much needed time off.
On my m-drol pulse I gained 10 pounds in 2 weeks and i think that spoiled me...hehehehe
 
celc5 said:
I just don't see the logic in pulsing phera. It takes about 3 weeks to kick in for a lot of people even on a straight cycle.
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And your right...i guess i never really looked at it this way...maybe its one that needs to be pulsed for 6 weeks???
 
Pman- No disrespect but why are you so hung up one pulsing? Its so much easier to just go full cycle. Yea there may be shutdown, any cycle will. The other sides may increase but you'll have sides longer on a pulse just not as detrimental you know?

I am going into week 3 of Mdrol and bumped to 30. I have no noticeable shutdown, no other outward sides. Now, lipids are prolly off as well as cholesterol levels. I am fairly happy with my current results.

Try a full cycle. You'll like it.
 
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