just wondering about your prohormone 1 product is it closer to pp or ergo does it have any 3en like ergo was rumored to have?
any body?just wondering about your prohormone 1 product is it closer to pp or ergo does it have any 3en like ergo was rumored to have?
What are you talking about?well it is phera-plex.. sorry this is an old thread just wanted to be sure people don't get misinformation..
If you read post #6 GL says its more like ergo max:hammer:Guys I'm confused. When I do a search on google for 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol, it comes up and says thats Phera Plex.
I've got a bottle of Phera-MAX from Generic Labz in front of me, the same stuff they now call Pheramone-X and that is the chemical listed on the back.
Is it Ergomax or Phera Plex then? I bought it because all searches showed it to be a generic Phera Plex. Have I screwed up, or am I missing the boat on something.
You're correct. We also had Methyl-Plex out for a little while. The things is that, from what I understand anyway, the raws that Generic used to make there products came from ALRI which would make there Pheramone product the exact same thing as ALRI's Ergomax.ok maybe i created more confusion when i posted..
What i meant was ErgoMax is Phera-Plex which is Pheramone-X/Phera-Max
ErgoMax is ALRI
Phera-Plex is AX
Pheramone-X/Phera-Max is Generic Labz
Am I wrong here??
Methyl-Plex was made up of 100% 2-ene analog and was composed of ~80% 5alpha isomers and ~20% 5beta isomers. I posted this on a couple of other boards....they are all different because of their respected companies, and different isomers, am I correct Dtrain (methylplex) and Grexx (pheramone-x)?
darn =( I chose this cuz i thought it would have the least sides.. ahh well no turning back now.. I kind of assumed it would be the same as AX's Phera-Plex
hate to dig an old thread but i was doin research agian and want to make sure that anyone else doing similar research and found this thread had a good clarification.Effectiveness as it relates to androgenic sides... ErgoMax being the harshest of them all whereas Phera Plex being the cleanest with bloat being the harshest of sides. Methyl -plex more or less was clean also with litlte occurence of sides. The sides in question being sensitive nips, OILY skin, bloat, blood pressure, and aggression. Where is Poopy when you need em? Hey POOP are you POOPIN???
i see so many people say that the clones are closer to ergomax then phera plex cause of the isomer difference.Methyl-Plex was made up of 100% 2-ene analog and was composed of ~80% 5alpha isomers and ~20% 5beta isomers. I posted this on a couple of other boards....
1)Phera-Plex = 100% delta 2 with 100% 5alpha isomers
2)Mehtyl-Plex = 100% delta 2 with 80% 5alpha isomers and 20% 5beta isomers
3)Ergomax = ~70% delta 2 and ~ 30% delta 3 both with a mix of 5a and 5b
Interesting. I've used ergo, and been really happy with the results. What differences did you see between the two (phera vs ergo)? On paper, I'd assume them to be VERY similar in effects.Poops, not to split hairs here, but phera, rather 2-ene (inclusion of both isomers) is more ANABOLIC.
3-ene is pretty darn androgenic. This would make Ergomax Lmg (2+3-ene, an anabolic compound with a good degree of androgenic activity.)
Neither weeker, or stronger per se. It's IS less anabolic (Ergomax), but offers other bennifits in place of.
Where straight 2-ene is considered purely anabolic.
If you have poped both compounds, the difference is QUITE clear. On paper, not so much.
yes this i know.... i dont think i mentioned anything bout the difference in androgenic and anabolic profiles just the difference in the isomer content and the actual compounds.... PP being only 2ene and ergo being 2ene AND 3ene......Poops, not to split hairs here, but phera, rather 2-ene (inclusion of both isomers) is more ANABOLIC.
3-ene is pretty darn androgenic. This would make Ergomax Lmg (2+3-ene, an anabolic compound with a good degree of androgenic activity.)
Neither weeker, or stronger per se. It's IS less anabolic (Ergomax), but offers other bennifits in place of.
Where straight 2-ene is considered purely anabolic.
If you have poped both compounds, the difference is QUITE clear. On paper, not so much.
lol- that's the only reason I mentioned it. For other peeps.yes this i know.... i dont think i mentioned anything bout the difference in androgenic and anabolic profiles just the difference in the isomer content and the actual compounds.... PP being only 2ene and ergo being 2ene AND 3ene......
by stronger i only really meant that it illicits the same effect without as many sides, phera being much cleaner then ergo.... most likely due to the fact,as you pointed out, its less andro and more anabolic :thumbsup:
schoolin these folks on the PP and E-LMG
Personally, I dont get anything out of phera. Ergo, on the other hand, mnakes me a freakn BEAST! I have stamina, strength, pornstar libido...Interesting. I've used ergo, and been really happy with the results. What differences did you see between the two (phera vs ergo)? On paper, I'd assume them to be VERY similar in effects.
Ergo really caused my BP to increase, I'm wondering if pure 2-ene would be a bit better choice to avoid this particular side effect.
did you get to use the original phera from AX??? cause i hade incredible weight gain AND strength gain from it... i ran a clone after though and it didnt even feel half as strong.... i dont know how well these new ones are really being produced... still wont stop me from trying a newer 20 dollar bottle some time soonPersonally, I dont get anything out of phera. Ergo, on the other hand, mnakes me a freakn BEAST! I have stamina, strength, pornstar libido...
I keep holding hope for phera though. I WANT it to work since it FEELS so mild oneverything.
Id actually love if someone could isolate the 3-ene and put it in a cap. It's just the only difference, and in me, its a huge diference.
hate to dig an old thread but i was doin research agian and want to make sure that anyone else doing similar research and found this thread had a good clarification.
this post is the best explination ive seen someone else make about the difference between original pheraplex original ergomax and most the PP clones out now.....
i see so many people say that the clones are closer to ergomax then phera plex cause of the isomer difference.
they are incorrect in their understanding. Ergo is both 2ene and 3ene with both a and b isomers.
phera plex is purely 2ene a isomer and most of the clones are purely 2ene but have a mixture of both a and b isomers, ZERO 3ene is contained whatsoever and therefore its not even close to ergomax rather its a slightly weaker version of pheraplex.
Yes. I had the AX version, and a clone. (I tried it twice).did you get to use the original phera from AX??? cause i hade incredible weight gain AND strength gain from it... i ran a clone after though and it didnt even feel half as strong.... i dont know how well these new ones are really being produced... still wont stop me from trying a newer 20 dollar bottle some time soon
whats funny is epi has been closely compared to PP as being much like it although less sides and more androgenic... cant remember where i heard that i think it was the good ol doc that told me though....Yes. I had the AX version, and a clone. (I tried it twice).
lol- and poops, you seem to have a great expirence on EVERYTHING .. I mean, 12lbs on Epi!!??!!:rasp::box:
Not many people haveran the Ergo + LMG combo..I ran the Original first batch ergo, without a doubt best strength gains of any product ergo/max lmg is an awsome combo and the Generic labs brand is legit, never used a bad product from them
not that many people were that brave!!! sounds like it would be a cycle for androgenic sides like no other! although there are some guys who can handle that.... i know my back and chest would look horrible from that and id def be worried bout gyno from the LMG.Not many people haveran the Ergo + LMG combo..
What did you get out of it?
Some got gyno from ERGO too, or itchy nips rather. I did for a day or two.not that many people were that brave!!! sounds like it would be a cycle for androgenic sides like no other! although there are some guys who can handle that.... i know my back and chest would look horrible from that and id def be worried bout gyno from the LMG.
oh man i loved the original TRN, i actually had increased libido and although i only gained a couple pounds i had considerable recompiong and insane strength gains. I think it would be perfect stacked with something like phera or another mass builder.... too bad i dont think any of the existing clones are even close to what the original really was since ALRI didnt put the technically correct nomeclature on the bottle.Some got gyno from ERGO too, or itchy nips rather. I did for a day or two.
I loved ERGO, its no secret. I was beastly on it. LMG, I have never realy ran,.. I ran it for a wek with TRN and obviously that was a bad move, fo my libido ..put on 3lbs in that week though
ya if you have ALRI's or GL's then your in luck but it sucks for the guys who are only getting to try this compound as it haas been release under te name trenadrol as i know its not the same, its effective in its own right, and in fact will add more mass on its own, BUT its no where close to the strength gains that the other two gave along with a crazy amount of endurance and quick quick recovery. i am happy i still have a mostly full bottle but now i need to find a reliable phera clone to stack it with.u know its funny u guys mention a pp m-trn cycle, I have already done that and it works extreamly well I pulsed them too. 3 of each every other day for five weeks, post cycle therapy was a breeze libido was huge, I had put on about 8 nice pounds with that and minnimum ball shrinkage I still got 2 bottles of m-trn by gl, and now that u mention it it has been a while I think it's time for another round.
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