PH STACK QUESTION

RogerDoger024

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I don’t know a hell of a lot about ph and cutters and stuff to that effect but I was recommend to try stacking Chosen-1 halo elite and recomp rx just looking for some thoughts on this stack
 
Spend some time researching this stuff before you start d1cking around with your hormones bro.

Even milder ph stacks have the capacity to mess up your natural hormone production. Personally I’d want to make sure I understood what the risks were, how to mitigate them best as possible and how to get the most from a stack if I decided the risks were worth it.

That’s what I did anyway.....

Opening line of ‘I don’t know a hell of a lot about ph’ combined with the fact your contemplating taking something because some one recommended it suggests you definitely shouldn’t run a cycle yet.
 
I’ve already cycled king 5 ph stack in the past and I know the basics of everything the guys I lift with are a lot smarter than me about it though as far what works the best
 
DMZ + torem.

Check out vicious labs and ma research
 
What do you think about what I mentioned? Only reason i ask is I already have two of those products just not sure how those three will work together.
 
That's gonna be a hell of a lot weaker than KING.

You get good results off King? I hope so. By far the strongest designer steroid stack on the open market.

To answer your question, yes those three are fine to stack. How good it will be... Anyone's guess.
 
I got INSANE results off king. Literally every week after the first week I was seeing ten to fifteen pounds of strength game! And I retained a lot of the gained strength
 
Why would anyone take 5 oral steroids. And most at double the standard dose.

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Smont said:
Why would anyone take 5 oral steroids. And most at double the standard dose.

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30Msten 30Dmz was one of the most effective orals I’ve ever used. You can put on 15 lbs with just that and some test alone, not feel like death, and put 40lbs on most lifts.

That’s all you need. That’s enough for 3 cycles there.
 
RogerDoger024 said:
I got INSANE results off king. Literally every week after the first week I was seeing ten to fifteen pounds of strength game! And I retained a lot of the gained strength
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Bro, If you survived King, just run that again. Everything else will be a disappointment next to that monstrosity
 
Matthersby said:
Bro, If you survived King, just run that again. Everything else will be a disappointment next to that monstrosity
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^^^^This. All of this.

I want to try the old version with Methydiazirinol instead of Trest. I'd take one tab a day. Sublingual, so I guess it's less toxic? Rofl...
 
RogerDoger024 said:
King was good **** for sure but I don’t think it would be wise to cycle that twice in one year
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Lol, some might say that it is not "smart" to cycle it once per year! ...actually you could probably take the whole year thing off... let's just say it's not "smart to cycle it once
 
Old Witch said:
^^^^This. All of this.

I want to try the old version with Methydiazirinol instead of Trest. I'd take one tab a day. Sublingual, so I guess it's less toxic? Rofl...
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I honestly didn’t even consider oral Trest and definitely didn’t consider the non methylated maxlmg, just the idea of stacking that much Msten with M1A and DMZ made me reach for the Tudca from sympathy pains.

I’m such a bytch these days I run Superdrol at 10 straight through.
 
Matthersby said:
I honestly didn’t even consider oral Trest and definitely didn’t consider the non methylated maxlmg, just the idea of stacking that much Msten with M1A and DMZ made me reach for the Tudca from sympathy pains.

I’m such a bytch these days I run Superdrol at 10 straight through.
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The dose on the old King wasn't quite as insane.




MedFit Rx King Supplement Facts
Serving Size: 1 Tablet

Max LMG 50mg

DMZ 30mg

M1A 20mg

Methyldiazirinol 20mg

Methylstenbolone 6mg



Like I said, I'd buy that and just take one tab a day.
 
edsd said:
Haha is that real? How does one survive that stack
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Lots of tudca, water, and a little good luck. It's sublingual, so maybe that's it, or maybe the toxicity of these is overhyped. Or maybe it's a little of both. Remember it's the stress on the liver for a prolonged time which causes damage, not like alcohol where one dose causes immediate microscopic scarring.

I mean yeah this is pure nightmare fuel for a lot of people, but surely if it would kill most healthy men outright this specific company probably would not make it. They play for keeps, for sure, but they seem (and talk) like they've done some kind of testing for all their blends. Their Black Magic looks pretty much perfect, actually. Max LMG with DMZ and MSten have an amazing synergy, and the addition of the SARMS ligandrol and rad140, as well as the blood pressure-lowering, cholesterol-correcting, endurance improving cardarine... Well I mean it looks really well formulated.
 
Smont said:
It's 5 oral steroids, it's like stacking winnie, dbol, anadrol, anavar anavar and tbol. It's highly liver toxic and it's doses are rediculous
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Not quite, I mean a dose of anadrol starts at 150mg whereas anavar is like 40mg. In total the new one has 180mg of assorted methylated orals and 100mg of Max LMG, whereas the old one has only 80mg of methylated orals and 50mg max LMG. I mean it's not the same as if it was all superdrol and methyl 1 test.

Now, don't get me wrong, this is the most toxic thing out there on the open market as far as blend strength.
 
Old Witch said:
Lots of tudca, water, and a little good luck. It's sublingual, so maybe that's it, or maybe the toxicity of these is overhyped. Or maybe it's a little of both. Remember it's the stress on the liver for a prolonged time which causes damage, not like alcohol where one dose causes immediate microscopic scarring.

I mean yeah this is pure nightmare fuel for a lot of people, but surely if it would kill most healthy men outright this specific company probably would not make it. They play for keeps, for sure, but they seem (and talk) like they've done some kind of testing for all their blends. Their Black Magic looks pretty much perfect, actually. Max LMG with DMZ and MSten have an amazing synergy, and the addition of the SARMS ligandrol and rad140, as well as the blood pressure-lowering, cholesterol-correcting, endurance improving cardarine... Well I mean it looks really well formulated.
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You’re right. Just looked it up and I’m very interested in it now. I guess I need to look up reviews to see if it’s real or if anyone on here has experience with it.
 
Old Witch said:
Not quite, I mean a dose of anadrol starts at 150mg whereas anavar is like 40mg. In total the new one has 180mg of assorted methylated orals and 100mg of Max LMG, whereas the old one has only 80mg of methylated orals and 50mg max LMG. I mean it's not the same as if it was all superdrol and methyl 1 test.

Now, don't get me wrong, this is the most toxic thing out there on the open market as far as blend strength.
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Don't quite work that way. Steroids toxicity has nothing to compare mg vs mg. Total mg by no way shape or form has any comparison. Different substances have different toxicity. By the way, who told you a dose of anadrol starts at 150mg? 50 is a good starting point.

Msten, dmz, and m1a are all more toxic then anavar and tbol.
 
Smont said:
Don't quite work that way. Steroids toxicity has nothing to compare mg vs mg. Total mg by no way shape or form has any comparison. Different substances have different toxicity. By the way, who told you a dose of anadrol starts at 150mg? 50 is a good starting point.

Msten, dmz, and m1a are all more toxic then anavar and tbol.
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Right, each compound is differently toxic, and yes those are more toxic than var and tbol, however this wouldn't be nearly as toxic as what you listed. As I said it's not SD and M1T stacked 25mg each or anything like that. Msten is less toxic than winstrol, as are DMZ and M1AD.

No doubt a guy takes a big risk on King, but compared to 200mg stanozolol-inject I've seen some guys using.... Still I would say half or even a quarter dose, or find the old one and take a half tab 2x a day. Must be why the tablets are less popular than the powder. You can manipulate the dose with the powder.
 
RogerDoger024 said:
I don’t know a hell of a lot about ph and cutters and stuff to that effect but I was recommend to try stacking Chosen-1 halo elite and recomp rx just looking for some thoughts on this stack
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I had some tough times and had to move home about 4 years ago. At that time, I was about 185, I worked out pretty consistently but to me looked to be in my best shape ever even though my diet was ****, mostly bc money was tight and other issues, which were probably the real reason I was still at that weight. Anyway after 2 years of being back home, no job, and Mom's cooking and less exercise, etc. I just went crazy with carbs and ice cream and cereal, pbjs all day. I got up to 325lbs still strong but like probably 40% bf. I finally cleaned my act up in a lot of ways, got down to 300 I ran hdrol with cardarine and I believe assassinate for about 6 weeks, eventually getting some bad headaches and lethargy(which I definitely researched why after)#research, proper oct/pct, but I was able to at least lose about 10-15lbs with better diet and definitely helped recomp a lot of that bf, but I of course was still way too fat. But if I had known how to fix the lethargy/headaches, I would have been able to make it to the gym more in the last couple weeks and it would have been much better I'm sure. That was earlier this year. I kept pushing not really losing weight but definitely bf, until the end of July. Diet was much better macros improved tracked in a app with workouts. Switched to IF the last week of July. Read a lot about weight loss, caloric deficit, best exercises, more cardio. I heard about a wedding on Sept 8th for a cousin and was like ok, I gotta really kick this up, but I wanted to use natty supps so started True Shred, Radiate, Pyretic, Recomp Rx, Super Shred, DAA+, and happened to get 35% off King Slayer which after researching seemed like a good addition for recomp/anticatabolic. Im not a rep, just a fan of SS and OL products. I know it's a lot, I just wanted to attack the fat from all angles. Kicked up the cardio, kept lifting, still as strong, weighed in at 262.5 last Sunday before eating at 2pm. 30 lbs in less than a month! I still can't believe it. Just started my second month, but I really believe that Recomp Rx is a solid product helping a lot however they say only run for 6 weeks and take a break, so guess I'll be holding on to that second bottle. I've stacked a lot of the same fat burners before but I think the addition of recomp rx def helped, although I can't tell you what percentage of loss came from it and I know IF is really cutting calories. Just saying I liked both hdrol and recomp rx, even though i didn't take them together. Good luck man.
 
I took king as my first ever Ph and I saw zero side affects that I’m aware of and I’ve been off cycle for 3 months I thought it was really good ****
 
RogerDoger024 said:
No It didn’t and 8 weeks no on cycle support and testroyl was my only pct
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Pretty fortunate that bro.

Kinda the same as playing Russian roulette with half the chambers loaded. Some people will be fine and recover ok. But some won’t.

Sensible cycling is like taking bullets out of the chamber, even with all precutions there is still a risk it goes wrong but your odds are improved.

For many many people king would **** the up as a first cycle with no pct....(testroyl doesn’t count as pct imo).
 
I actually had expected as much. There was something else in the old DMZ/Msten and M1AD products that was causing havoc on livers that just isn't the case anymore. I think I have an idea why. Much as was the case there was SD in the DMZ there was likely M1T in the M1AD and MSTEN at first. Hence the dissonance between liver toxicity from years ago versus today.

Personally if I ran that with good results and no sides I would run it again, not more than 3x a year. More like 2x.
 
Well I defiantly would have but this new stack I was asking about I already have some of it for free so I was gonna try it out
 
I’m just going to say: toxicity is so exaggerated, and not one of us is going to have permanent liver damage or die from aas/ph/ds. Literally, the body count is zero. The liver doesn’t work that way.. It’s more resilient than almost any other organ.

However, there is a point where stacks make no sense, doses make no sense. I don’t NEED 40mg Superdrol, nor 40mg Msten. I’ve made amazing gains on 10-20 of either, AND not walked around feeling like death. These stupid toxic stacks make no sense. And you know what else makes no sense? 4 week runs with compounds that kick in week 3.

I’ve tried every way you can try.
And 10mg SD for 35 days smokes 20mg SD for 28 days.

When you are talking about strong yet toxic drugs, find the point of diminishing returns and dose under that for an extra week. Why take something at a dose that’s going to crush your appetite, make you so lethargic you skip workouts, plus weight too rapidly on you that there’s no way you can keep it all 4 weeks after pct?
That King stack is ridiculous, no matter how many people ran it and loved it. 10 years from now, there’s no way you’ll still want to be messing with something so toxic and overboard, it won’t be worth it at all.
 
Ynn3kc1 said:
I had some tough times and had to move home about 4 years ago. At that time, I was about 185, I worked out pretty consistently but to me looked to be in my best shape ever even though my diet was ****, mostly bc money was tight and other issues, which were probably the real reason I was still at that weight. Anyway after 2 years of being back home, no job, and Mom's cooking and less exercise, etc. I just went crazy with carbs and ice cream and cereal, pbjs all day. I got up to 325lbs still strong but like probably 40% bf. I finally cleaned my act up in a lot of ways, got down to 300 I ran hdrol with cardarine and I believe assassinate for about 6 weeks, eventually getting some bad headaches and lethargy(which I definitely researched why after)#research, proper oct/pct, but I was able to at least lose about 10-15lbs with better diet and definitely helped recomp a lot of that bf, but I of course was still way too fat. But if I had known how to fix the lethargy/headaches, I would have been able to make it to the gym more in the last couple weeks and it would have been much better I'm sure. That was earlier this year. I kept pushing not really losing weight but definitely bf, until the end of July. Diet was much better macros improved tracked in a app with workouts. Switched to IF the last week of July. Read a lot about weight loss, caloric deficit, best exercises, more cardio. I heard about a wedding on Sept 8th for a cousin and was like ok, I gotta really kick this up, but I wanted to use natty supps so started True Shred, Radiate, Pyretic, Recomp Rx, Super Shred, DAA+, and happened to get 35% off King Slayer which after researching seemed like a good addition for recomp/anticatabolic. Im not a rep, just a fan of SS and OL products. I know it's a lot, I just wanted to attack the fat from all angles. Kicked up the cardio, kept lifting, still as strong, weighed in at 262.5 last Sunday before eating at 2pm. 30 lbs in less than a month! I still can't believe it. Just started my second month, but I really believe that Recomp Rx is a solid product helping a lot however they say only run for 6 weeks and take a break, so guess I'll be holding on to that second bottle. I've stacked a lot of the same fat burners before but I think the addition of recomp rx def helped, although I can't tell you what percentage of loss came from it and I know IF is really cutting calories. Just saying I liked both hdrol and recomp rx, even though i didn't take them together. Good luck man.
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Not to be a complete ass but how in the world did you allow yourself to live at home with your parents for 2 years with no job?
 
Godstrength said:
Not to be a complete ass but how in the world did you allow yourself to live at home with your parents for 2 years with no job?
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after a 12 year job at publix and grad school during which I screwed up and dealt with opiate addiction for 5 solid years until I agreed to go to rehab in south fl. after a month in rehab I lived in a halfway house for 6 months still working at a store down there. I was finishing up grad school at UNF, moving back in time for my last two semesters in Jax. was clean, got the MBA passed my financial advisor licensing tests and moved out for about two years and one of my roommates hooked up with the other's gf, and the guy who got cheated on moved out. I couldn't afford to pay the extra 300 a month and the other dude just let his parents move in free. obviously I was pissed and def not paying extra for them to live there so I said screw it I might as well move back home and save money I tried to get a new place but decided it would be a great idea to relapse instead. so luckily my folks were very understanding and let me move back i was not doing well at work and left before I got fired. I was already at the methadone clinic bc I after I relapsed I knew I needed help within two weeks. so my parents are letting me wean off. Its lengthy to explain but basically I got to 160mg a day before I was mentally ready to start weaning I'm following the clinics suggestions and have been reducing by 10mgs a month. currently I'm about to drop to 30mgs a day but have planned it out to take my last dose November 30th so I might not feel like total **** for Christmas. bc methadone withdrawal is a b**** I've been through it before and have researched the best way to stop with least amount of total withdrawal suffering and less chance of relapsing again. So far so good. but I know it will still take 2-3 weeks before I'm feeling somewhat normal so I'm waiting til it's over to get a job. I'm now way more mentally disgusted with it than last time, now I just have do get through the physical dependence. But I have been helping my parents fix up their house to sell it so that's been a decent amount of work in return for staying here. But yeah not proud of the situation at all. Just trying to better myself mentally and physically before I get another job. So yeah...issues.
 
Ynn3kc1 said:
after a 12 year job at publix and grad school during which I screwed up and dealt with opiate addiction for 5 solid years until I agreed to go to rehab in south fl. after a month in rehab I lived in a halfway house for 6 months still working at a store down there. I was finishing up grad school at UNF, moving back in time for my last two semesters in Jax. was clean, got the MBA passed my financial advisor licensing tests and moved out for about two years and one of my roommates hooked up with the other's gf, and the guy who got cheated on moved out. I couldn't afford to pay the extra 300 a month and the other dude just let his parents move in free. obviously I was pissed and def not paying extra for them to live there so I said screw it I might as well move back home and save money I tried to get a new place but decided it would be a great idea to relapse instead. so luckily my folks were very understanding and let me move back i was not doing well at work and left before I got fired. I was already at the methadone clinic bc I after I relapsed I knew I needed help within two weeks. so my parents are letting me wean off. Its lengthy to explain but basically I got to 160mg a day before I was mentally ready to start weaning I'm following the clinics suggestions and have been reducing by 10mgs a month. currently I'm about to drop to 30mgs a day but have planned it out to take my last dose November 30th so I might not feel like total **** for Christmas. bc methadone withdrawal is a b**** I've been through it before and have researched the best way to stop with least amount of total withdrawal suffering and less chance of relapsing again. So far so good. but I know it will still take 2-3 weeks before I'm feeling somewhat normal so I'm waiting til it's over to get a job. I'm now way more mentally disgusted with it than last time, now I just have do get through the physical dependence. But I have been helping my parents fix up their house to sell it so that's been a decent amount of work in return for staying here. But yeah not proud of the situation at all. Just trying to better myself mentally and physically before I get another job. So yeah...issues.
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I’ve been there bro. Jumped off at 60mg in 2009. No meds for withdrawal too. Took about a month to get feeling good again. Get clear of that stuff and do what you gotta do and life will really start to come together for you. I’ve been very lucky I only have had some Kratom addiction to deal with in the last 9 years. Nothing hardcore though. You’re in a good spot to talk about this stuff, and I always answer PM’s if you need to vent or whatever.
 
Matthersby said:
I’m just going to say: toxicity is so exaggerated, and not one of us is going to have permanent liver damage or die from aas/ph/ds. Literally, the body count is zero. The liver doesn’t work that way.. It’s more resilient than almost any other organ.

However, there is a point where stacks make no sense, doses make no sense. I don’t NEED 40mg Superdrol, nor 40mg Msten. I’ve made amazing gains on 10-20 of either, AND not walked around feeling like death. These stupid toxic stacks make no sense. And you know what else makes no sense? 4 week runs with compounds that kick in week 3.

I’ve tried every way you can try.
And 10mg SD for 35 days smokes 20mg SD for 28 days.

When you are talking about strong yet toxic drugs, find the point of diminishing returns and dose under that for an extra week. Why take something at a dose that’s going to crush your appetite, make you so lethargic you skip workouts, plus weight too rapidly on you that there’s no way you can keep it all 4 weeks after pct?
That King stack is ridiculous, no matter how many people ran it and loved it. 10 years from now, there’s no way you’ll still want to be messing with something so toxic and overboard, it won’t be worth it at all.
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All of this is why I mostly summed up my overall response or impression of King as a wise person would run only one tab, or half a dose of the powder. Then you can run it for as long as you want, within reason. Up to 8 weeks I would suppose if you can handle it.
 
Ynn3kc1 said:
after a 12 year job at publix and grad school during which I screwed up and dealt with opiate addiction for 5 solid years until I agreed to go to rehab in south fl. after a month in rehab I lived in a halfway house for 6 months still working at a store down there. I was finishing up grad school at UNF, moving back in time for my last two semesters in Jax. was clean, got the MBA passed my financial advisor licensing tests and moved out for about two years and one of my roommates hooked up with the other's gf, and the guy who got cheated on moved out. I couldn't afford to pay the extra 300 a month and the other dude just let his parents move in free. obviously I was pissed and def not paying extra for them to live there so I said screw it I might as well move back home and save money I tried to get a new place but decided it would be a great idea to relapse instead. so luckily my folks were very understanding and let me move back i was not doing well at work and left before I got fired. I was already at the methadone clinic bc I after I relapsed I knew I needed help within two weeks. so my parents are letting me wean off. Its lengthy to explain but basically I got to 160mg a day before I was mentally ready to start weaning I'm following the clinics suggestions and have been reducing by 10mgs a month. currently I'm about to drop to 30mgs a day but have planned it out to take my last dose November 30th so I might not feel like total **** for Christmas. bc methadone withdrawal is a b**** I've been through it before and have researched the best way to stop with least amount of total withdrawal suffering and less chance of relapsing again. So far so good. but I know it will still take 2-3 weeks before I'm feeling somewhat normal so I'm waiting til it's over to get a job. I'm now way more mentally disgusted with it than last time, now I just have do get through the physical dependence. But I have been helping my parents fix up their house to sell it so that's been a decent amount of work in return for staying here. But yeah not proud of the situation at all. Just trying to better myself mentally and physically before I get another job. So yeah...issues.
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I've been there too man... I came off exactly 160 a day CT when I was incarcerated in 2007. It was the worst two months of my life. Honestly probably lasted more about 40 days and the intensity wasn't as bad as heroin or Oxys but it lasted forever and I couldn't sleep. Honestly bro just make sure that you're being honest with yourself because sometimes we stay on at a certain dose never really moving down or tapering off. You could easily taper off 10mg a week and be down. I had a buddy that was going to the clinic was taking like 5 mg a day at one point before he jumped off. Anyway buddy I believe you can do it and I'm sure that a lot of your lifestyle issues with addiction loss of job Etc are all interrelated. What happens is drugs are usually just a symptom of the problem that's underlying and needs treatment. I do have experience in this field and have a Bachelors in HS specializing in addiction. If you ever need anybody to talk to you like Matthersby I am here also man.
 
Godstrength said:
I've been there too man... I came off exactly 160 a day CT when I was incarcerated in 2007. It was the worst two months of my life. Honestly probably lasted more about 40 days and the intensity wasn't as bad as heroin or Oxys but it lasted forever and I couldn't sleep. Honestly bro just make sure that you're being honest with yourself because sometimes we stay on at a certain dose never really moving down or tapering off. You could easily taper off 10mg a week and be down. I had a buddy that was going to the clinic was taking like 5 mg a day at one point before he jumped off. Anyway buddy I believe you can do it and I'm sure that a lot of your lifestyle issues with addiction loss of job Etc are all interrelated. What happens is drugs are usually just a symptom of the problem that's underlying and needs treatment. I do have experience in this field and have a Bachelors in HS specializing in addiction. If you ever need anybody to talk to you like Matthersby I am here also man.
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sounds awful man. first time I was at 140 when I agreed to go to detox and had to wait 3 days before they put me on suboxone and weaned me up and down in a week then the next day it was like going to school every day of the week sick. And yeah probably 2 months before I was able to really get back into working out and get to a store in that city, luckily I was able to stay technically employed at my job at the grocery, and transfer when I was ready. But this time it was all me making the plan so I'm ready and if I start feeling bad enough I'll just jump off. I plan on dropping every 2 weeks from now on so I can get done. Maybe faster depending. I feel much stronger this time. Just wish I could get some of those years back. I'm sure you understand. Anyway just responded to your question man I dont doubt your knowledge of the problem. And thanks for offering the backup, that's why I'm stoked to be here at AM, great people who really want to help.
 
RogerDoger024 said:
I don’t know a hell of a lot about ph and cutters and stuff to that effect but I was recommend to try stacking Chosen-1 halo elite and recomp rx just looking for some thoughts on this stack
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When I first read this I somehow missed that you said halo elite. Obviously not hdrol. Sorry for any confusion in my response.
 
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