PH cycle help...

TonyBo

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I'm just wondering if it's okay to run Havoc (2a, 3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol), which is the same as Epistane, with my cycle of 1-AD (1-androstene-3Beta,17beta-Diol) & 4-AD (4-androstene-3-beta, 17-beta-Diol)?


I just am not sure if it is too many compounds, or if they shouldn't be mixed together...
 
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It should be noted that I am already in my 2nd week of the 1ad/4ad cycle right now. I was looking for something else to go along with it thought. What I was planning on doing was continuing that cycle for 4 more weeks, but including the Havoc starting in the 3rd week of my 1ad/4ad cycle. So it would look like this:

First week: 1ad/4ad
Second week: 1ad/4ad
Third week: 1ad/4ad + 20mg of Havoc ed
Fouth week: 1ad/4ad + 30mg of Havoc
Fifth week: 1ad/4ad + 30mg of Havoc
Sixth week:1ad/4ad + 30mg of Havoc

Weeks 7 - 11: PCT (Novla/Clomid, Erase, DAA)

Sound okay, or should I wait to use Havoc for another cycle?
 
epi usually takes 6 weeks to really show its benefits it seems, if you are doing well on the current stack, you should be fine to keep it the way it is.
 
ManBeast said:
epi usually takes 6 weeks to really show its benefits it seems, if you are doing well on the current stack, you should be fine to keep it the way it is.
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6 weeks? Damn, how long do you have to run a complete cycle of Havoc for then?

Is there any recommendation as to what would work well with what I am currently taking?
 
what have you used?
 
the only thing that really kicks in fast enough to use for 3 weeks and notice is superdrol, but I'm not sure that is a wise thing to add in. If you wanted to make your cycle longer and have some time just on a different compound that is an option.
 
ManBeast said:
the only thing that really kicks in fast enough to use for 3 weeks and notice is superdrol, but I'm not sure that is a wise thing to add in. If you wanted to make your cycle longer and have some time just on a different compound that is an option.
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I am also considering running my cycle a little longer. Maybe that way I can get 5 weeks out of Havoc. Do you think 7/8 weeks on 1AD/4AD is alright, or am I pushing it too long?
 
if they aren't methyls, the only thing you'll have is suppression, but a serm-based pct will take care of it.
 
ManBeast said:
if they aren't methyls, the only thing you'll have is suppression, but a serm-based pct will take care of it.
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Well the only one that is a methyl is the Havoc, which I haven't taken yet. So I should be okay.

My PCT would be Novla/Clomid and possibly PES Erase. I'm thinking about throwing Forskolin, Ginger Root and D-Aspartic Acid in there for a natural test boost.

Is that good enough of a PCT to cover my ass in this cycle?
 
ManBeast said:
if they aren't methyls, the only thing you'll have is suppression, but a serm-based pct will take care of it.
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Well the only one that is a methyl is the Havoc, which I haven't taken yet. So I should be okay.

My PCT would be Novla/Clomid and possibly PES Erase. I'm thinking about throwing Forskolin, Ginger Root and D-Aspartic Acid in there for a natural test boost.

Is that good enough of a PCT to cover my ass in this cycle?
 
for sure
 
TonyBo said:
Well the only one that is a methyl is the Havoc, which I haven't taken yet. So I should be okay.

My PCT would be Novla/Clomid and possibly PES Erase. I'm thinking about throwing Forskolin, Ginger Root and D-Aspartic Acid in there for a natural test boost.

Is that good enough of a PCT to cover my ass in this cycle?
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I would say yes especially on the DAA, its so cheap and it does wonders. This should be a fun ride.
 
Sd kicks in quickly... For others to activate id give it 2-4 weeks. Depends on how your body absorbs it...imho! Not to familiar with epi but I heard around 3rd up
 
You know what it is? He is cranky and cutting cals. Don't be hard on him X-D
 
epi doesn't take 6 weeks to kick in, 2-3 is normal for it, therefore running it less than 6 isn't really ideal, that is what i meant.
 
clarified :p
 
Thank god....now we won't have the youngsters taking epi for 12 week cycles "cuz manbeast said so"....and then shutting out their livers :D
 
Lmao true the dumbasses wouldn't have got that before
 
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