PH conversion compounds

Brain5ick

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So I know Msten converts to stenbolone, trenavar to tren (or methyltren? I honestly don’t know as much about this one) but what about epistane (I know it’s a DHT ph), DMZ, cyanostane (ignorant about this one too tbh) hexadrone, halodrol, etc?
 
With the exception of halodrol and trenavar those are all active steroid compounds.

Halodrol is a ph to turinabol and trenavar converts to tren base.
 
Brain5ick said:
So epistane would just be a DHT derivative? What about the others?
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M sten is a DHB derivative, epistane and cyanostane are DHT derivative, and Hexadrone is testosterone derivative.

Tren is progesterone derivative.
 
Brain5ick said:
So I know Msten converts to stenbolone, trenavar to tren (or methyltren? I honestly don’t know as much about this one) but what about epistane (I know it’s a DHT ph), DMZ, cyanostane (ignorant about this one too tbh) hexadrone, halodrol, etc?
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Although the term Pro hormone is a legitimate term, Ive come to dislike it being used in almost all incidences.
As OldWitch alluded to, most "PHs" are just steroids. As a whole, they aren't more safe, or less effective than steroids... Because they are steroids.
 
Renew1 said:
Although the term Pro hormone is a legitimate term, Ive come to dislike it being used in almost all incidences.
As OldWitch alluded to, most "PHs" are just steroids. As a whole, they aren't more safe, or less effective than steroids... Because they are steroids.
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Yup, exactly.
 
Brain5ick said:
So besides 19-nor andro are there any nandrolone derivatives?
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Well, yes, a bunch, all of the 19-nors are.. Trenavar, trenbolone, Trest, max LMG, Dienolone, Norandrostenedione, etc. all nandrolone derivatives. Nandrolone is a progesterone derivative.
 
Old Witch said:
Well, yes, a bunch, all of the 19-nors are.. Trenavar, trenbolone, Trest, max LMG, Dienolone, Norandrostenedione, etc. all nandrolone derivatives. Nandrolone is a progesterone derivative.
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Nandrolone is a Progestin. It is a Testosterone derivative.
 
Old Witch said:
Insomuch as DHB is a DHT derivative, yes.

Stenbolone is 2-methyl DHB. M Sten is 2,17a dimethyl DHB.
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Dhb is technically a testosterone derivative. Dhb is what bold converts to via 5a-reductase, and bold is just dbol without the methyl group, but rather an ester attached. And dbol is test derived. I don’t think a dhb derivative even exists. This is just getting confusing now lmao.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
Dhb is technically a testosterone derivative. Dhb is what bold converts to via 5a-reductase, and bold is just dbol without the methyl group, but rather an ester attached. And dbol is test derived. I don’t think a dhb derivative even exists. This is just getting confusing now lmao.
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DHT is technically a testosterone derivative by 5a reduction. Bold (EQ) is a testosterone derivative as well by 1(2) dehydrogenation, DHB is the 5a reduction of bold, correct. Stenbolone is the addition of a methyl chain to the 2 position of DHB. Methyl Stenbolone is its 17a methylated counterpart.
 
Relative compounds in relation to DHT are masteron (2-methyl DHT) and Superdrol 2,17a dimethyl DHT.
 
Old Witch said:
DHT is technically a testosterone derivative by 5a reduction. Bold (EQ) is a testosterone derivative as well by 1(2) dehydrogenation, DHB is the 5a reduction of bold, correct. Stenbolone is the addition of a methyl chain to the 2 position of DHB. Methyl Stenbolone is its 17a methylated counterpart.
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Link me where you’re reading this stuff at, because nothing I’ve read online really agrees with what you’re saying.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
Link me where you’re reading this stuff at, because nothing I’ve read online really agrees with what you’re saying.
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Test is androst 4 ene 17b ol 3 one
DHT is 5a androst 4 ene 17b ol 3 one
Masteron is 2 methyl 5a androst 4 ene 17b ol 3 one
Superdrol is 2 methyl 17a methyl 5a androst 4 ene 17b ol 3 one

Bold is androst 1 ene 17b ol 3 one
Dhb is 5a androst 1 ene 17b ol 3 one
Stenbolone is 2 methyl 5a androst 1 ene 17b ol 3 one
M sten is 2 methyl 17a methyl 5a androst 1 ene 17b ol 3 one

Boldenone is the 1(2) dehydrogenated analog of testosterone.

This is all available on Wikipedia including molecular diagrams illustrating as much.
 
Old Witch said:
Test is androst 4 ene 17b ol 3 one
DHT is 5a androst 4 ene 17b ol 3 one
Masteron is 2 methyl 5a androst 4 ene 17b ol 3 one
Superdrol is 2 methyl 17a methyl 5a androst 4 ene 17b ol 3 one

Bold is androst 1 ene 17b ol 3 one
Dhb is 5a androst 1 ene 17b ol 3 one
Stenbolone is 2 methyl 5a androst 1 ene 17b ol 3 one
M sten is 2 methyl 17a methyl 5a androst 1 ene 17b ol 3 one

Boldenone is the 1(2) dehydrogenated analog of testosterone.

This is all available on Wikipedia including molecular diagrams illustrating as much.
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I don’t care about their structures and names. I want to see a credible source that states that they are “derived of dhb” because as far as I know, there is no such thing
 
AnabolicGuru said:
I don’t care about their structures and names. I want to see a credible source that states that they are “derived of dhb” because as far as I know, there is no such thing
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So, you don't care that they're derived from DHB, you just want someone other than me to have said it someplace. Got it.
 
Let me just say it's a hell of a lot to easier to turn DHB into Stenbolone than it is to turn masteron into Stenbolone.... DHB is an absolutely necessary step in this synthesis.
 
Stenbolone is irrefutably 2 methyl DHB. Methylstenbolone is irrefutably its17a methylated counterpart. Absolutely a fact.
 
Old Witch said:
So, you don't care that they're derived from DHB, you just want someone other than me to have said it someplace. Got it.
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I’ve spoken to numerous people, including physicians, who would agree/have agreed that methylstenbolone is a dht derivative. I don’t know where your info is coming from, or that you even have a clue what you’re talking about.
 
Old Witch said:
Stenbolone is irrefutably 2 methyl DHB. Methylstenbolone is irrefutably its17a methylated counterpart. Absolutely a fact.
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Nope. There is no relation between msten and dhb. Just because their nomenclatures may look the same, doesn’t mean that they are related.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
I’ve spoken to numerous people, including physicians, who would agree/have agreed that methylstenbolone is a dht derivative. I don’t know where your info is coming from, or that you even have a clue what you’re talking about.
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This is absolutely ridiculous. As I said before it's a DHT derivative insomuch as DHB is a DHT derivative. It is a pity that someone with the name "Guru" doesn't grasp this.

Boldenone is delta one test.
Dianabol is 17a methyl delta one test.
DHB is dihydro delta one test.
Stenbolone is 2 methyl dihydro delta one test
Msten is 17a methyl Stenbolone.

The delta one isomeric action (1(2) dehydrogenation) has to be performed to synthesize boldenone from testosterone before the rest of the synthesis can occur.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
Nope. There is no relation between msten and dhb. Just because their nomenclatures may look the same, doesn’t mean that they are related.
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Dude.. You're wrong. Extra wrong.

"Stenbolone acetate (USAN) (brand name Stenobolone, Anatrofin; former developmental code names RS-2106, S-3760), also known as 2-methyl-4,5α-dihydro-δ1-testosterone 17β-acetate (2-methyl-DHB 17β-acetate), or as 2-methyl-5α-androst-1-en-17β-ol-3-one 17β-acetate, is a synthetic, injected anabolic–androgenic steroid (AAS) and derivative of dihydrotestosterone (DHT) which has been marketed in Spain.[1][2][3] It is the C17β acetate ester of stenbolone, which is structurally related to 1-testosterone (Δ1-DHT; dihydroboldenone) "
 
So what now, you're going to tell me Stenbolone isn't related to Methylstenbolone. Gtfoh
 
“Structurally related” doesn’t mean that it’s derived of dhb. That’s my point. And my username was a joke lmao, I made that when I had like one or two ph cycles under my belt. You seem smart, but I think you’re just confusing my argument with the fact that I’m saying dhb is not similar in nomenclature, when what I mean is that it’s not derived of dhb. It’s derived of dht, period. They do have similar nomenclatures, but that doesn’t change the fact that msten is a dht derivative.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
“Structurally related” doesn’t mean that it’s derived of dhb. That’s my point. And my username was a joke lmao, I made that when I had like one or two ph cycles under my belt. You seem smart, but I think you’re just confusing my argument with the fact that I’m saying dhb is not similar in nomenclature, when what I mean is that it’s not derived of dhb. It’s derived of dht, period. They do have similar nomenclatures, but that doesn’t change the fact that msten is a dht derivative.
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As I said, it is as much as DHB is. DHB is considered a DHT derivative as well.

However the fact remains that in order to make it, you must make DHB. I've spoken to chemists about this, as there are other DHB relatives yet legal. However their synthesis would be illegal in the US. 3,3 azo Stenbolone, for example, was one I spoke of.
 
Old Witch said:
As I said, it is as much as DHB is. DHB is considered a DHT derivative as well.

However the fact remains that in order to make it, you must make DHB. I've spoken to chemists about this, as there are other DHB relatives yet legal. However their synthesis would be illegal in the US. 3,3 azo Stenbolone, for example, was one I spoke of.
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Dhb is dht derived, but msten isnt dhb derived ya. Anyways, this fancy science talk stuff isnt for me so I’m just going to leave it at that lol
 
AnabolicGuru said:
Dhb is dht derived, but msten isnt dhb derived ya. Anyways, this fancy science talk stuff isnt for me so I’m just going to leave it at that lol
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That's absolutely ludicrous. I think it's clear that you don't know what you're talking about.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
Lol? Literally all you have to do is look it up. Everywhere will tell you that msten is dht derived.
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Insomuch as DHB is, yes. I like to be more correct than vague. Specificity is good. Otherwise we could be just saying these are all cholesterol derivatives and be done.
 
Old Witch said:
That's absolutely ludicrous. I think it's clear that you don't know what you're talking about.
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It's a common misconception probably because of the poor nick- name (1-test Cyp) that DHB and DHT are thought to be related... Dihydro-boldenone (DHB) and Dihydro-testosterone (DHT) are both 5a reductase of their respective compounds boldenone and testosterone.

I like AG, but he's wrong the "fancy science" stuff does matter here. Chemistry is not opinion.
 
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