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PES - still legit?

Toff

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Once upon a time PES were bringing out corker by corker

Over the years theyve run from the FDA and now it seems I dont know whether to trust the products or not?

Thoughts?

Used to like Erase, shift, alphamine

Alphamine ive just purchased so too early to tell but I did sweat like a mofo last night doing T25.
 
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Pes is serious company, with many innovative products.

I have loved all of its products, from undervalued erase pro, I see that not a lot of feedback, however much deserves.
anabeta elite, one of the best supplements to take during a high-calorie diet, shift, best thermogenic stimulant, high volume, the best prework for the pump, resistance, which combined with ergonine you complete all the integration. To discover the new alphamine, that is no longer a thermogenic, but an energy drink.
Norcodrene og, as alphamine og, the best of its kind.
Best protein on the market.
In short, it is a company that enforces.
 
Legit as it gets, just know they have recently changed their alphamine and norcodrene formulas, though you can still pick up the old ones at some retailers.
 
Granted, the new Alphamine has "changed direction" and Norcodrene is now a feel good pill (but what fat burner isn't) and people didn't like either of these changes, they're still a good company. If we're objective and not fanatical, they have good:

1) Protein Powder
2) Joint Supplement
3) Natural Anabolic
4) Daily ergogenic supplement
5) Non stim fat burner
6) AI
7) Non stim pre-workout
8) Amino supplement

They have many supplements with actual "direction" and focus that are good in their own right.
 
Absolutely. PES carries some awesome stuff. Mixing up some High Volume right now
 
Legit? Yes. Cutting edge? Not anymore, IMO.

Select is my favorite protein by far. High Volume is a really good Pre- with no stimulants. I haven't used Erase or ABE but they get solid reviews.

Shift is now their best fat burner, but given the fact that alphamine and Norcodrene have changed, I'd likely go with ANS Diablo over Shift because it has most of the same ingredients plus some of the ingredients in the old Alphamine.

Amino IV used to be great, but they reformulated that too so I use Endur3 over Amino IV now, but I'm sure the new Amino IV tastes great.

I still trust the company as far as meeting label claims, etc. - but their innovation has taken a back seat to becoming more main stream. I hope they make a lot of money doing that, and I'm sure I'll use some of their products to fill in blanks, etc. - but they will be more additions to other products than standalones. For instance, Norcodrene used to be one of the best "fat burners" out there, and would work by itself. Now, I may consider it as an addition to Oxymax XT or ANS Diablo, etc.
 
The term "Innovation" is really thrown around too much IMO - there isn't *that* much stuff growing on earth to use for fitness, LOL. The "10 Year Rehash" is still alive and well *cough* Bio-Grow or Pyruvate *cough*.

The Protein is really good when at $10/lb, and Ergonine I like for 30 servs under a buck ea. - those are what I buy. I don't doubt the quality (although I have one relationship concern) and prop blended anything needs to die - but yeah, I like'em.
 
The_Old_Guy said:
The term "Innovation" is really thrown around too much IMO - there isn't *that* much stuff growing on earth to use for fitness, LOL. The "10 Year Rehash" is still alive and well *cough* Bio-Grow or Pyruvate *cough*.

The Protein is really good when at $10/lb, and Ergonine I like for 30 servs under a buck ea. - those are what I buy. I don't doubt the quality (although I have one relationship concern) and prop blended anything needs to die - but yeah, I like'em.
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That's the thing. People know what works, to some degree... It is like the ECA thread. Innovative? No. Effective, yes. And if something has all the ingredients that work, then IMO it's more cutting edge than one that has 1 or 2 ingredients that kind of work, but leaves a lot of holes in the formula and then you have to start adding other products. But this obviously is how companies sell more pills/make more money.

Amino IV used to leave very few "holes" in the formula. You could take it and cover most of your bases. Now, it's missing a lot of what made it solid. But it tastes better I'm sure. Still a good product? Yeah, it has BCAAs and probably meets label claims. All bases covered? I don't know.

Of course, most products and ingredients don't really work anyway, so maybe not covering the bases doesn't really effect results....
 
HIT4ME said:
That's the thing. People know what works, to some degree... It is like the ECA thread. Innovative? No. Effective, yes. And if something has all the ingredients that work, then IMO it's more cutting edge than one that has 1 or 2 ingredients that kind of work, but leaves a lot of holes in the formula and then you have to start adding other products. But this obviously is how companies sell more pills/make more money.

Amino IV used to leave very few "holes" in the formula. You could take it and cover most of your bases. Now, it's missing a lot of what made it solid. But it tastes better I'm sure. Still a good product? Yeah, it has BCAAs and probably meets label claims. All bases covered? I don't know.

Of course, most products and ingredients don't really work anyway, so maybe not covering the bases doesn't really effect results....
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You can chase the ingrediant profile all day but unless it actually works and its actuall yin there, its pointless.
Ive found time and time again ive needed an ingrediant only to fidn th eproduct fails as a whole.

Whether it works is key - are they saying Erase, alphamine and Shift still work? If so, they must hold by their zero bunk product approach - it must work or they are lying?
 
Toff said:
You can chase the ingrediant profile all day but unless it actually works and its actuall yin there, its pointless.
Ive found time and time again ive needed an ingrediant only to fidn th eproduct fails as a whole.

Whether it works is key - are they saying Erase, alphamine and Shift still work? If so, they must hold by their zero bunk product approach - it must work or they are lying?
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Alphamine has been reformulated. It is now an energy drink. Maybe it works, but I'll never find out cause I'm not in the target market. Shift and Erase are still just fine. Erase's ingredient is found in many other AIs these days. Shift uses Forskolin, Rhodiola, and other effective ingredients as well.
 
Love Select. For a Milk Based protein, does not upset my stomach at all. Excellent flavors.
 
ABE is one of the best natural anabolics imo.

PES select is still solid and still tops the list for best proteins
 
They are for sure a legit company and by far one of my personal favorites. They are just not being hyped up like the use to be for the first few use when they had came out. Back then they use to come out with products and promos left and right....or at least it felt like they did.
 
Toff said:
Once upon a time PES were bringing out corker by corker

Over the years theyve run from the FDA and now it seems I dont know whether to trust the products or not?

Thoughts?

Used to like Erase, shift, alphamine

Alphamine ive just purchased so too early to tell but I did sweat like a mofo last night doing T25.
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We've never had any issues with the FDA.
 
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