PES Norcodrene---new formula. No Bueno...

Select is still a favorite. High Volume is good. Sad they changed Amino IV.
 
Driven2lift said:
Or you know,
growing the business he built himself into something larger and more well known. While not shooting himself in the foot by dancing around ingredients that may see compliance issues. (As other companies are paying for one by one, and the FDA inquisition ever broadens)

PEScience is growing and getting brand recognition.

Isn't that an important goal of any company?
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Very very valid point, but the ppl who helped pes become that popular company they r now maybe feel cheated as there is few companies that their products are legit none of this watered down bs.
i used to recommend pes products to family and friends i won't anymore.
glad sns and Olympus labs are not going that route.
 
HIT4ME said:
I will say that PES has avoided any ingredient controversy, which is good and bad. It gives the impression of a "clean and reliable" company from a safety standpoint, but certainly takes away from the hardcore angle - which fits with the changes that have occurred - broad audience looking for a certain product with safety being important vs. a narrower audience looking for dramatic results and willing to take on more risk.
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hamdysayed said:
Very very valid point, but the ppl who helped pes become that popular company they r now maybe feel cheated as there is few companies that their products are legit none of this watered down bs.
i used to recommend pes products to family and friends i won't anymore.
glad sns and Olympus labs are not going that route.
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TommyTuffGuy said:
It is essentially a branding cash grab. It's just bizarre out of all the companies you'd expect to do this with their product line, PES was created for hardcore formulation type buyers and not the general population. They touted this on all their marketing and through all their reps.

Were they recently sold by chance?
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You guys need to remember something.

When we started as a company we were built almost entirely on this forum. We made products to cater to the hardcore forum users.

However since then, we have grown into being in some of the largest brick and mortar supplement chains in America, are distributed over several continents and are now in the top 40 of the biggest online supplement retailer in the world. If we sold the exact formulas we did when we first entered the market, none of these would be allowed to happen.

On top of this, regulations have changed in the past few years.

Imagine your customer base went from a few hundred people who know you through forums to hundreds of thousands of people around the world who know your products because we are in their local store or because they found us on social media through a sponsored athlete.

Let's take one super basic example, yohimbe. Most people here know what it is and what dose to use. What about people that pick a product off the store shelf who don't browse bodybuilding forums? A lot of people here may love it but yohimbe made Enhanced our most complained about pre workout product ever because the side effects from ingesting too much yohimbe can be very unpleasant. A lot of people on this forum hated us for discontinuing Enhanced but if it were you, would you really risk selling a product that people kept complaining about because it made them feel unwell?

Yes, our stimulant products no longer contain anything that could be considered non compliant or grey area. We simply can't do this because of how popular our brand has become and the avenues it is sold. Comparing us to smaller brands that fly further under the radar makes no sense because their risk to reward ratio is very, very different to what ours is now. It would be like saying the most popular brands in the world should still sell methyl-synephrine because some obscure manufacturer still puts it in all their products. It is an unfair comparison.

Before throwing around accusations of 'watered down' formulas, keep in mind;
- High Volume is one of the best non stimulant pre workout products on the market with unparalleled combined doses of arginine nitrate, citrulline and agmatine. I am yet to know a product which sells these three in higher combined doses than we do.
- Ergonine is one of the best daily staple products on the market.
- Select is one of the best protein powders on the market with confirmed third party testing to hit label claims and be free from amino acid fillers, something which unfortunately is becoming more and more rare nowadays.
- GenoFlex is unarguably a very highly dosed product. Our cissus dose is right up there with dedicated cissus products yet ours also contains ApresFlex and passionfruit seed extract.
- Shift is open labelled as an extremely well dosed product which still uses Sabinsa forskolin despite us being able to sell a cheaper extract and making more money if we wanted to.
- Erase Pro and AnaBeta Elite are still two products which we have kept from the days of us being a much smaller company for our fans that prefer the more novel and hardcore products. We keep these for our initial fans despite them being two of our least popular products.

Sure, our stimulant products have evolved and we have avoided anything that could maybe land us in legal issues. Sure, many companies may still include these in their products and may often still describe them as 'fat burners' despite them rarely having human data to support this. However this is simply something we cannot do at the level we are at now. We cannot make product claims which are not supported in literature and we are not allowed to sell ingredients which don't comply with regulations as large retailers simply wouldn't allow it.

Hardcore supplement users who want to use DMAA, DMHA, AMP Citrate etc obviously won't find that Alphamine or Norcodrene feel anything like this which is perfectly fine but acting like we are watering down all of our products to increase profit margins is simply false. We have many of the best products on the market with the best doses, we have simply evolved our stimulant based products to guarantee regulatory compliance and to meet the demand from the majority of our customer base.

For example, you know what product I miss? Original Alpha-T2. I would love for us to still make it.

However, we cannot still make it without shooting our company growth in the foot. Big retailers can have much more stringent compliance protocols now and things that were sold a few years ago aren't available in them today. Therefore I understand that selling this product still is not a viable proposition.

hamdysayed said:
they just became bigger and share holders are more hungry probably
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No lol.

We have no share holders.

It is the same company owner who used to be the one man company posting on this forum several years ago. There has been no change in ownership whatsoever.
 
bdcc said:
Before throwing around accusations of 'watered down' formulas, keep in mind;
- High Volume is one of the best non stimulant pre workout products on the market with unparalleled combined doses of arginine nitrate, citrulline and agmatine. I am yet to know a product which sells these three in higher combined doses than we do.
- Ergonine is one of the best daily staple products on the market.
- Select is one of the best protein powders on the market with confirmed third party testing to hit label claims and be free from amino acid fillers, something which unfortunately is becoming more and more rare nowadays.
- GenoFlex is unarguably a very highly dosed product. Our cissus dose is right up there with dedicated cissus products yet ours also contains ApresFlex and passionfruit seed extract.
- Shift is open labelled as an extremely well dosed product which still uses Sabinsa forskolin despite us being able to sell a cheaper extract and making more money if we wanted to.
- Erase Pro and AnaBeta Elite are still two products which we have kept from the days of us being a much smaller company for our fans that prefer the more novel and hardcore products. We keep these for our initial fans despite them being two of our least popular products.
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Well said. I said this before, I think the new reformulations of your "fat burners" suck (but of course, nowdays I'm more aware that most fat burners don't do much anyway), but it's not like PES still doesn't have the important stuff down. Protein, Ergogenic Supplement, Non-Stim Pre, Joint Support, Non Stim Fat Burner, an AI, and a natural anabolic and now you guys are coming out with good staples.

People can always go to the people that mimicked/copied your original formulas if they want. It's hard to see why people keep making topics complaining about this kind of stuff cause nothing will change.
 
bdcc said:
You guys need to remember something.

When we started as a company we were built almost entirely on this forum. We made products to cater to the hardcore forum users.

However since then, we have grown into being in some of the largest brick and mortar supplement chains in America, are distributed over several continents and are now in the top 40 of the biggest online supplement retailer in the world. If we sold the exact formulas we did when we first entered the market, none of these would be allowed to happen.

On top of this, regulations have changed in the past few years.

Imagine your customer base went from a few hundred people who know you through forums to hundreds of thousands of people around the world who know your products because we are in their local store or because they found us on social media through a sponsored athlete.

Let's take one super basic example, yohimbe. Most people here know what it is and what dose to use. What about people that pick a product off the store shelf who don't browse bodybuilding forums? A lot of people here may love it but yohimbe made Enhanced our most complained about pre workout product ever because the side effects from ingesting too much yohimbe can be very unpleasant. A lot of people on this forum hated us for discontinuing Enhanced but if it were you, would you really risk selling a product that people kept complaining about because it made them feel unwell?

Yes, our stimulant products no longer contain anything that could be considered non compliant or grey area. We simply can't do this because of how popular our brand has become and the avenues it is sold. Comparing us to smaller brands that fly further under the radar makes no sense because their risk to reward ratio is very, very different to what ours is now. It would be like saying the most popular brands in the world should still sell methyl-synephrine because some obscure manufacturer still puts it in all their products. It is an unfair comparison.

Before throwing around accusations of 'watered down' formulas, keep in mind;
- High Volume is one of the best non stimulant pre workout products on the market with unparalleled combined doses of arginine nitrate, citrulline and agmatine. I am yet to know a product which sells these three in higher combined doses than we do.
- Ergonine is one of the best daily staple products on the market.
- Select is one of the best protein powders on the market with confirmed third party testing to hit label claims and be free from amino acid fillers, something which unfortunately is becoming more and more rare nowadays.
- GenoFlex is unarguably a very highly dosed product. Our cissus dose is right up there with dedicated cissus products yet ours also contains ApresFlex and passionfruit seed extract.
- Shift is open labelled as an extremely well dosed product which still uses Sabinsa forskolin despite us being able to sell a cheaper extract and making more money if we wanted to.
- Erase Pro and AnaBeta Elite are still two products which we have kept from the days of us being a much smaller company for our fans that prefer the more novel and hardcore products. We keep these for our initial fans despite them being two of our least popular products.

Sure, our stimulant products have evolved and we have avoided anything that could maybe land us in legal issues. Sure, many companies may still include these in their products and may often still describe them as 'fat burners' despite them rarely having human data to support this. However this is simply something we cannot do at the level we are at now. We cannot make product claims which are not supported in literature and we are not allowed to sell ingredients which don't comply with regulations as large retailers simply wouldn't allow it.

Hardcore supplement users who want to use DMAA, DMHA, AMP Citrate etc obviously won't find that Alphamine or Norcodrene feel anything like this which is perfectly fine but acting like we are watering down all of our products to increase profit margins is simply false. We have many of the best products on the market with the best doses, we have simply evolved our stimulant based products to guarantee regulatory compliance and to meet the demand from the majority of our customer base.

For example, you know what product I miss? Original Alpha-T2. I would love for us to still make it.

However, we cannot still make it without shooting our company growth in the foot. Big retailers can have much more stringent compliance protocols now and things that were sold a few years ago aren't available in them today. Therefore I understand that selling this product still is not a viable proposition.



No lol.

We have no share holders.

It is the same company owner who used to be the one man company posting on this forum several years ago. There has been no change in ownership whatsoever.
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GTFO! How are people supposed to b!tch and moan about the changes in the face of your logic and smart business sense.
 
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bdcc said:
You guys need to remember something.

When we started as a company we were built almost entirely on this forum. We made products to cater to the hardcore forum users.

However since then, we have grown into being in some of the largest brick and mortar supplement chains in America, are distributed over several continents and are now in the top 40 of the biggest online supplement retailer in the world. If we sold the exact formulas we did when we first entered the market, none of these would be allowed to happen.

On top of this, regulations have changed in the past few years.

Imagine your customer base went from a few hundred people who know you through forums to hundreds of thousands of people around the world who know your products because we are in their local store or because they found us on social media through a sponsored athlete.

Let's take one super basic example, yohimbe. Most people here know what it is and what dose to use. What about people that pick a product off the store shelf who don't browse bodybuilding forums? A lot of people here may love it but yohimbe made Enhanced our most complained about pre workout product ever because the side effects from ingesting too much yohimbe can be very unpleasant. A lot of people on this forum hated us for discontinuing Enhanced but if it were you, would you really risk selling a product that people kept complaining about because it made them feel unwell?

Yes, our stimulant products no longer contain anything that could be considered non compliant or grey area. We simply can't do this because of how popular our brand has become and the avenues it is sold. Comparing us to smaller brands that fly further under the radar makes no sense because their risk to reward ratio is very, very different to what ours is now. It would be like saying the most popular brands in the world should still sell methyl-synephrine because some obscure manufacturer still puts it in all their products. It is an unfair comparison.

Before throwing around accusations of 'watered down' formulas, keep in mind;
- High Volume is one of the best non stimulant pre workout products on the market with unparalleled combined doses of arginine nitrate, citrulline and agmatine. I am yet to know a product which sells these three in higher combined doses than we do.
- Ergonine is one of the best daily staple products on the market.
- Select is one of the best protein powders on the market with confirmed third party testing to hit label claims and be free from amino acid fillers, something which unfortunately is becoming more and more rare nowadays.
- GenoFlex is unarguably a very highly dosed product. Our cissus dose is right up there with dedicated cissus products yet ours also contains ApresFlex and passionfruit seed extract.
- Shift is open labelled as an extremely well dosed product which still uses Sabinsa forskolin despite us being able to sell a cheaper extract and making more money if we wanted to.
- Erase Pro and AnaBeta Elite are still two products which we have kept from the days of us being a much smaller company for our fans that prefer the more novel and hardcore products. We keep these for our initial fans despite them being two of our least popular products.

Sure, our stimulant products have evolved and we have avoided anything that could maybe land us in legal issues. Sure, many companies may still include these in their products and may often still describe them as 'fat burners' despite them rarely having human data to support this. However this is simply something we cannot do at the level we are at now. We cannot make product claims which are not supported in literature and we are not allowed to sell ingredients which don't comply with regulations as large retailers simply wouldn't allow it.

Hardcore supplement users who want to use DMAA, DMHA, AMP Citrate etc obviously won't find that Alphamine or Norcodrene feel anything like this which is perfectly fine but acting like we are watering down all of our products to increase profit margins is simply false. We have many of the best products on the market with the best doses, we have simply evolved our stimulant based products to guarantee regulatory compliance and to meet the demand from the majority of our customer base.

For example, you know what product I miss? Original Alpha-T2. I would love for us to still make it.

However, we cannot still make it without shooting our company growth in the foot. Big retailers can have much more stringent compliance protocols now and things that were sold a few years ago aren't available in them today. Therefore I understand that selling this product still is not a viable proposition.



No lol.

We have no share holders.

It is the same company owner who used to be the one man company posting on this forum several years ago. There has been no change in ownership whatsoever.
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i was mainly talking about Norco and alpha not other stuff u mentione .
and you and everyone works for pes understand is the og products made yall popular and helped u become one of the top and etc because of the reputation that these supps works , that's my opinion.
anyways best of luck pes with profit.
thank God we still have Olympus labs and sns and couple more legit companies.
 
bdcc said:
You guys need to remember something.

When we started as a company we were built almost entirely on this forum. We made products to cater to the hardcore forum users.

However since then, we have grown into being in some of the largest brick and mortar supplement chains in America, are distributed over several continents and are now in the top 40 of the biggest online supplement retailer in the world. If we sold the exact formulas we did when we first entered the market, none of these would be allowed to happen.

On top of this, regulations have changed in the past few years.

Imagine your customer base went from a few hundred people who know you through forums to hundreds of thousands of people around the world who know your products because we are in their local store or because they found us on social media through a sponsored athlete.

Let's take one super basic example, yohimbe. Most people here know what it is and what dose to use. What about people that pick a product off the store shelf who don't browse bodybuilding forums? A lot of people here may love it but yohimbe made Enhanced our most complained about pre workout product ever because the side effects from ingesting too much yohimbe can be very unpleasant. A lot of people on this forum hated us for discontinuing Enhanced but if it were you, would you really risk selling a product that people kept complaining about because it made them feel unwell?

Yes, our stimulant products no longer contain anything that could be considered non compliant or grey area. We simply can't do this because of how popular our brand has become and the avenues it is sold. Comparing us to smaller brands that fly further under the radar makes no sense because their risk to reward ratio is very, very different to what ours is now. It would be like saying the most popular brands in the world should still sell methyl-synephrine because some obscure manufacturer still puts it in all their products. It is an unfair comparison.

Before throwing around accusations of 'watered down' formulas, keep in mind;
- High Volume is one of the best non stimulant pre workout products on the market with unparalleled combined doses of arginine nitrate, citrulline and agmatine. I am yet to know a product which sells these three in higher combined doses than we do.
- Ergonine is one of the best daily staple products on the market.
- Select is one of the best protein powders on the market with confirmed third party testing to hit label claims and be free from amino acid fillers, something which unfortunately is becoming more and more rare nowadays.
- GenoFlex is unarguably a very highly dosed product. Our cissus dose is right up there with dedicated cissus products yet ours also contains ApresFlex and passionfruit seed extract.
- Shift is open labelled as an extremely well dosed product which still uses Sabinsa forskolin despite us being able to sell a cheaper extract and making more money if we wanted to.
- Erase Pro and AnaBeta Elite are still two products which we have kept from the days of us being a much smaller company for our fans that prefer the more novel and hardcore products. We keep these for our initial fans despite them being two of our least popular products.

Sure, our stimulant products have evolved and we have avoided anything that could maybe land us in legal issues. Sure, many companies may still include these in their products and may often still describe them as 'fat burners' despite them rarely having human data to support this. However this is simply something we cannot do at the level we are at now. We cannot make product claims which are not supported in literature and we are not allowed to sell ingredients which don't comply with regulations as large retailers simply wouldn't allow it.

Hardcore supplement users who want to use DMAA, DMHA, AMP Citrate etc obviously won't find that Alphamine or Norcodrene feel anything like this which is perfectly fine but acting like we are watering down all of our products to increase profit margins is simply false. We have many of the best products on the market with the best doses, we have simply evolved our stimulant based products to guarantee regulatory compliance and to meet the demand from the majority of our customer base.

For example, you know what product I miss? Original Alpha-T2. I would love for us to still make it.

However, we cannot still make it without shooting our company growth in the foot. Big retailers can have much more stringent compliance protocols now and things that were sold a few years ago aren't available in them today. Therefore I understand that selling this product still is not a viable proposition.



No lol.

We have no share holders.

It is the same company owner who used to be the one man company posting on this forum several years ago. There has been no change in ownership whatsoever.
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Just to be clear, I wasn't bashing at all and if you think I was - you should really consider your own actions. I was answering the OP's and other's questions and using your own company's explanations and reasoning from other posts on this forum. You are more main stream now and the formulas have changed and you are not focused on AM as an audience anymore. I didn't pass any judgment. It does suck for us at AM since we loved your products.

I even credited PES with being one of the FEW companies that had a fat burner that I actually believe worked to any degree.

As far as your assessment of your own line up, I will say it's been watered down. Even Amino IV, which used to be a great intra workout, is now just a BCAA product. How is that NOT watered down?

Credit where it is due:

High Volume - great stim free pre workout. I question the need for a preworkout but it is one of the few that I've used and I liked it. A lot. I would use it again.

Shift - an OK fat burner but before it came to the market, Coop himself was telling people that a similar product with similar dosing was "under dosed" on another forum. It's good, I would add it in, but I agree with Coop's assessment of the other product and feel it applies to this, even though after the Shift release Coop never acknowledged his original comments. Understandable.

Genoflex - I don't use joint products, but everyone I was unimpressed with the formula given the fact that it was pitched as being something totally new and different and then it was a let down. I have recommended 3-4 people who I know with joint issues give it a shot, and not one of them has bought a second bottle.

Ergonine - Never used it. People seem to love it, I hear it tastes awesome. It's a good idea, but I haven't spent money on it ...open to it though.

Erase Pro and Anabeta - never used either. I've recommended Anabeta to a number of people on this forum and I assume it is a really good product. I've spent most of my life trying to lose fat and this type of product hasn't been of use to me just yet - but I hope to try it someday. Erase Pro is OK - but other products have the same ingredients and then some, so I've just never felt the need to purchase this product.

Select - my go to protein. It's a reliable blend protein that is delicious, mixes easily, has the best texture of any product I've used and has a really good nutrition profile (grams protein per calories). I recommend it highly on this board and use it constantly.

TruZMA - a great ZMA product that I have used, loved, and will use again when I can get it at the right price.

So there you have it. Have your products gotten better over the years? No, they've gone down hill. Clearly. Is it understandable why? Yes. Is it a good business move? Probably, time will tell.

Having said all that, it is what it is. I have no hard feeling for PES or for you BDCC. I hope you do REALLY well at this and things get better for you. I also understand that it is business and there are always growing pains. I'm in your insider thread talking about how I'm excited to see new stuff, even though I'm skeptical. Have you lost all my business? Not by a long shot. Have you lost a lot of it? Yeah. But again, 5-6 bottles of Norcodrene purchased by me over the last couple years isn't a reason to keep making a product when you can replace it with another product that will get wide distribution and be in every Wal-Mart in America. I have NO issues with that. But don't tell us the product is better, or even as good as the former version. Better for you maybe. Better for retailers maybe. Not for the people who used it though.

I hope I am clear - not mad at you or upset at all. Just calling bullsh1t when I see it. If I upset you, I am sorry.
 
Driven2lift said:
Or you know,
growing the business he built himself into something larger and more well known. While not shooting himself in the foot by dancing around ingredients that may see compliance issues. (As other companies are paying for one by one, and the FDA inquisition ever broadens)

PEScience is growing and getting brand recognition.

Isn't that an important goal of any company?
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This is true. The reason people are disappointed is because you decided to use the same name/sku's of old products that are radically different instead of creating new ones for the broader spectrum to sort of ride the wave of all the good publicity the old formulations received.

It would be like if BMW released a 328i with the same outer shell body but literally everything except maybe the tires were downgraded and different about the build, quality, interior and engine.

I say all this in love, as I have purchased TONS of PES products in the past and still think Select is the best tasting protein out there.
 
Side note: will someone take the time to go over with me which you feel ARE relevant supplements (going outside of my personal "staples" of):

GUT Health
Orange Triad
Oxi Omega
PES HV
PES E9
Digestive Enzymes

Any test boosters or estrogen blockers etc that are worth it? What do you guys love of the supplements readily available today?
 
ikeNball said:
Side note: will someone take the time to go over with me which you feel ARE relevant supplements (going outside of my personal "staples" of):

GUT Health
Orange Triad
Oxi Omega
PES HV
PES E9
Digestive Enzymes

Any test boosters or estrogen blockers etc that are worth it? What do you guys love of the supplements readily available today?
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You have an "ergogenic staple" supplement covered with E9.

PA (Phosphatidic Acid) is one of my favorite natty ingredients. The most economical way to get PA is to take 3tbsp/day soy lecithin granules.

As for "test boosters," don't expect them to raise your testosterone to supraphysiological levels, but they can increase lean body mass, improve body composition, and improve libido and mood, which can definitely be useful. AlphaMax XT and Testify are two great options. AlphaMax XT contains full doses of Ashwagandha (which has research showing improvements in body composition and endurance, as well as stress/anxiety/cortisol reductions), tongkat Ali (which can improve libido and reduce cortisol), Forskolin (which can help improve body composition), ferulic acid, and other ingredients as well.

Ashwagandha is a staple for me. It has studies showing it can reduce stress/anxiety, improve cognition, reduce cortisol, improve performance and endurance, etc. KSM-66 is a quality extract (5% withanolides), and is often dosed at 300mg 2x daily.

I also feel nootropics can greatly improve overall quality of life.
 
ikeNball said:
Side note: will someone take the time to go over with me which you feel ARE relevant supplements (going outside of my personal "staples" of):

GUT Health
Orange Triad
Oxi Omega
PES HV
PES E9
Digestive Enzymes

Any test boosters or estrogen blockers etc that are worth it? What do you guys love of the supplements readily available today?
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That stack is very comprehensive since PES E9 covers the ergogenics and the rest are for health.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
You have an "ergogenic staple" supplement covered with E9.

PA (Phosphatidic Acid) is one of my favorite natty ingredients. The most economical way to get PA is to take 3tbsp/day soy lecithin granules.

As for "test boosters," don't expect them to raise your testosterone to supraphysiological levels, but they can increase lean body mass, improve body composition, and improve libido and mood, which can definitely be useful. AlphaMax XT and Testify are two great options. AlphaMax XT contains full doses of Ashwagandha (which has research showing improvements in body composition and endurance, as well as stress/anxiety/cortisol reductions), tongkat Ali (which can improve libido and reduce cortisol), Forskolin (which can help improve body composition), ferulic acid, and other ingredients as well.

Ashwagandha is a staple for me. It has studies showing it can reduce stress/anxiety, improve cognition, reduce cortisol, improve performance and endurance, etc. KSM-66 is a quality extract (5% withanolides), and is often dosed at 300mg 2x daily.

I also feel nootropics can greatly improve overall quality of life.
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Hey bud, clear your PMs so I can message you about PA!!! Thank you
 
Just my .02 ... some of the most effective fat loss products i've ever used didnt make me "feel" anything. Don't weight the fat loss quality of a product by the way that it makes you feel, those are two different things. If you want to "feel" something, take a stimulant!

Reserving judgement until I can test it for myself and watch my body composition/response.
 
I also remember being very hungry last time i ran AlphaMax XT, but I do trust that company; any advice on the dosing protocol that has worked for you guys? (I'm only 155 lbs and 5'6'' so keep that in mind please)
 
ikeNball said:
I also remember being very hungry last time i ran AlphaMax XT, but I do trust that company; any advice on the dosing protocol that has worked for you guys? (I'm only 155 lbs and 5'6'' so keep that in mind please)
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Dosing for AlphaMax XT? I'm 5'11" 157lbs and use the standard dose of 2 caps 2x daily (usually in the morning with breakfast and the evening with dinner or before bed). That dosing gives you full, research supported doses of many ingredients (Ashwagandha, tongkat Ali, Forskolin, etc), so I wouldn't want to use less, and don't see any need to use more either.
 
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