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PES- Amino IV

People didn't like CL but hyped MAN Iso-Amino(Which tasted like pure garbage to me), that's BB.com for you. They also claimed that Protogen CnC is one of the best..........biggest waste of money. I am excited to try the new enhanced flavouring though, and to finally get to try some sweet sweet Watermelon.
 
kbayne said:
Interested in how you like the new and compare it to the old.
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Will definitely share the thoughts. Not gonna lie Cherry Limeade was so good I never even bothered trying the other flavors. I didn't have any desire to spend money on any other flavor.

I still have two tubs and will stock up if some nice sales of OG Limeade hit.

Looking forward to the new though and seeing how it compares/contrasts.
 
I LOVED the taste of the cherry limeade at first and wanted to add a little kick to it so I added 4 packets of True Lime Black Cherry Limeade to a fresh tub. GOOD LORD what an addition.
 
I can't wait to try the watermelon in getting from the insider. Bummed it's not the og but if it's better might as well just go straight to the top eh?
 
Is the new amino iv watermelon flavor is also the new formula?That contain glutamine? That is also found in e9
 
I just had my first taste of the new cherry limeade and it's fantastic. People are going to love the updated flavoring.
 
breezy11 said:
I just had my first taste of the new cherry limeade and it's fantastic. People are going to love the updated flavoring.
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I agree the old flavoring was great, but the new flavoring is incredibly clean and smooth. I had watermelon and it was spot on. I like the clear mixing as well!
 
Still waiting to try new flavoring.

What flavor to go with first?
 
The Solution said:
Old Amino IV Formula > New
you pulled some good ingredients.
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We took the b-vitamins out, taurine, and Lemon Verbena.

Added Betaine and SynerGlut. Not sure how by adding these two it doesn't become even better?

Yes Lemon Verbena has its benefits and will be available in caps at some point.

And then you get an improved taste, which is what most everyone looks for in an BCAA/EAA/Intra drink.
 
kbayne said:
Yes Lemon Verbena has its benefits and will be available in caps at some point.
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Taste should not be the #1 factor in a supplement. I rather have a better formula than a better tasting product.

PES does their flavoring just fine and that has never been an issue (at least for the majority). I would still prefer the Verbena in there (IMO). betaine is dirt cheap(if one wanted to go that route) in bulk and can be found when stacked with Ergonine (which most could stack with Amino IV)
 
The Solution said:
Taste should not be the #1 factor in a supplement. I rather have a better formula than a better tasting product.
PES does their flavoring just fine. I would still prefer the Verbena in there. betaine is dirt cheap in bulk and can be found when stacked with Ergonine (which most could stack with Amino IV)
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That's where you're not correct. Taste is very important which is pretty obvious when most threads about BCAA/EAA consumers are wanting a great tasting supplement.

Again, the formula hasn't been down graded at all. You really think, Josh, Coop, and Synapsin would allow for that?
 
I think the point of a BCAA/EAA is the Aminos though, and that hasn't changed, so once again I say PRAISE MOSES AND BRING ON THE NEW IV!
 
kbayne said:
That's where you're not correct. Taste is very important which is pretty obvious when most threads about BCAA/EAA consumers are wanting a great tasting supplement.

Again, the formula hasn't been down graded at all. You really think, Josh, Coop, and Synapsin would allow for that?
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Just like i said IMO i prefer the verbana. Betaine is dirt cheap. Verbana is rare and should be utilized more often on the market.
The amount of BCAA/EAA we get in amino IV is great, and its a very stackable product which i enjoy as well.
Just like a lot of others were very upset with the removal of the ingredient as well I am not alone.

And again Your flavoring is fine, i had no problems with it before, for it to be increased does not make a difference to me.

Again anyone can flavor a GREAT product on the market, but what you get inside the product is what matters most, not a lot of companies out there that pixy dust a formula and make it taste great.

Sure i can go sip amino energy all day, btu do i really want 2g of amions and 50mg of caffeine? no.. And it would cost more too which is no bueno.
 
The Solution said:
Just like i said IMO i prefer the verbana. Betaine is dirt cheap. Verbana is rare and should be utilized more often on the market.
The amount of BCAA/EAA we get in amino IV is great, and its a very stackable product which i enjoy as well.
Just like a lot of others were very upset with the removal of the ingredient as well I am not alone.

And again Your flavoring is fine, i had no problems with it before, for it to be increased does not make a difference to me.

Again anyone can flavor a GREAT product on the market, but what you get inside the product is what matters most, not a lot of companies out there that pixy dust a formula and make it taste great.

Sure i can go sip amino energy all day, btu do i really want 2g of amions and 50mg of caffeine? no.. And it would cost more too which is no bueno.
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And like I said, Lemon Verbena will be available in caps soon. And I'm fully aware many don't agree with the removal but it make Amino IV taste better and mix clear (which again, people want).

Betaine and L-Alanine, L-Glutamine both have excellent research backing their effectiveness. So again, I'm not sure how adding them makes it a worse product.
 
kbayne said:
We took the b-vitamins out, taurine, and Lemon Verbena.

Added Betaine and SynerGlut. Not sure how by adding these two it doesn't become even better?

Yes Lemon Verbena has its benefits and will be available in caps at some point.

And then you get an improved taste, which is what most everyone looks for in an BCAA/EAA/Intra drink.
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I Honestly don't mind the profile change but think lemon verbena was cool, it's good the b vitamins and taurine are out.

804 said:
PES is still the best and most innovative formula available. Stop your crying
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I can understand his complaints though, i had no issues with the taste and for it to be improved is awesome though. in my opinion, the new profile is not bad at all, just should have still kept LV, that's what made amino iv special and novel to me, and tmg + synerglut is already in ergonine so to be buying it seperate in an analyzed product dose become a pain but none the less it's still a good profile, and i can't wait to try the new flavoring
 
Instead of arguing we should all just sit back, sip on some sweet sweet Amino IV and praise Moses on this holy and glorious day.
 
And in all seriousness, I think people are losing sight of the fact that flavour or novel ingredients aren't what make AminoIV the best BCAA/EAA on the market. It's because it has the most complete and fully-dosed profile, which if anything got stronger(for performance).

I realized this after some thought, and after also being taken aback by the changes at first (why change a great product?). 15g of Aminos in every serving? To add to that, better flavouring for one of the best tasting products out there?........................

..............................I do believe that calls for a.....oh I don't know........praising of Moses?
 
carmaf said:
And in all seriousness, I think people are losing sight of the fact that flavour or novel ingredients aren't what make AminoIV the best BCAA/EAA on the market. It's because it has the most complete and fully-dosed profile, which if anything got stronger(for performance).

I realized this after some thought, and after also being taken aback by the changes at first (why change a great product?). 15g of Aminos in every serving? To add to that, better flavouring for one of the best tasting products out there?........................

..............................I do believe that calls for a.....oh I don't know........praising of Moses?
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Moses? I wouldnt go that far..
 
kbayne said:
And like I said, Lemon Verbena will be available in caps soon. And I'm fully aware many don't agree with the removal but it make Amino IV taste better and mix clear (which again, people want).

Betaine and L-Alanine, L-Glutamine both have excellent research backing their effectiveness. So again, I'm not sure how adding them makes it a worse product.
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This is what i am getting at..

Auslifter said:
I can understand his complaints though, i had no issues with the taste and for it to be improved is awesome though. in my opinion, the new profile is not bad at all, just should have still kept LV, that's what made amino iv special and novel to me, and tmg + synerglut is already in ergonine so to be buying it seperate in an analyzed product dose become a pain but none the less it's still a good profile,
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Bingo which i said numerous times. I prefer the uniqueness of the LV > Betaine + L-Alanine/L-Glutamine making Amion IV stick out.
More flavoring is great, but i rather buy a product for its formula and ingredients I am not buying products based totally off taste if that was the case i would buy some low grade dog crap like Amino Energy. But i rather spend the money for Amino IV for the proper amount of EAA's/BCAA's + Extra goodies it provides (HICA+LV in the old but now Betaine/Synerglut). Amino IV already tasted great, and i loved the product as is.

I also saw someone post this on another board

AnotherMember said:
you are completely correct in the new amino iv. It's a downgrade that isn't made better by the fact that soon you can pay more money to buy a product that was already in it (lemona v). And it's still a prop blend so we have no idea how much betaine we may need to add or subtract to get the amount we want. Not to mention the fact that most forum users including me just got plenty of E9 which has the two new ingredients. I still like PE, but this was a disappointing move
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As others have addressed in here as well.
Its change, its the industry, there is always going to be change, some welcome, some do not. personally i will still use and support Amino IV i just prefer the older version, and ill grab some bulk LV when it comes out and add it to my Amino IV in the future.
 
The Solution said:
This is what i am getting at..



Bingo which i said numerous times. I prefer the uniqueness of the LV > Betaine + L-Alanine/L-Glutamine making Amion IV stick out.
More flavoring is great, but i rather buy a product for its formula and ingredients I am not buying products based totally off taste if that was the case i would buy some low grade dog crap like Amino Energy. But i rather spend the money for Amino IV for the proper amount of EAA's/BCAA's + Extra goodies it provides (HICA+LV in the old but now Betaine/Synerglut). Amino IV already tasted great, and i loved the product as is.

I also saw someone post this on another board



As others have addressed in here as well.
Its change, its the industry, there is always going to be change, some welcome, some do not. personally i will still use and support Amino IV i just prefer the older version, and ill grab some bulk LV when it comes out and add it to my Amino IV in the future.
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HICA is still in Amino IV.
 
Amino IV still contains HICA.

Edit: kbayne is fast. :)
 
kbayne said:
HICA is still in Amino IV.
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I know i said that i wrote "LV in the old but now Betaine + Synerglut)"
HICA is another unique property like the LV was

in essence HICA + Betaine + SynerGlut (new) compared to HICA + LV + Taurine + B Vit
Either way i support PES and will grab it just prefer the old. Gonna grab some bulk LV and dose with it in the future.
 
The Solution said:
I know i said that i wrote "LV in the old but now Betaine + Synerglut)"
HICA is another unique property like the LV was

in essence HICA + Betaine + SynerGlut (new) compared to HICA + LV + Taurine + B Vit
Either way i support PES and will grab it just prefer the old. Gonna grab some bulk LV and dose with it in the future.
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Okay bud
 
Is there more of less of the HICA/Aminos in this new blend? Can that be disclosed?
 
The Solution said:
I rather have a superior formula than a superior taste
Just me.
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this i agree with everything you were saying no need to change the formula and the lemon verb was what set it apart and actually attracted me to buying the aminos
taking this out just for "taste" isnt cool shoulda kept it int here along with the extra bs
 
Just my opinion too. I have to agree with The Solution on this one. The original formula makes Amino IV more unique to what's readily available.

Plus the ingredients added are the same as what is in Ergonine, so now I have more overlap because you know I bought both with the insider.

Someone did say that the Amino IV with the insider is the og right?
 
Definitely looking forward to lemon verbana as a solo product. This way I can try it and still train fasted cuz I'm silly like that
 
The Solution said:
I know i said that i wrote "LV in the old but now Betaine + Synerglut)"
HICA is another unique property like the LV was

in essence HICA + Betaine + SynerGlut (new) compared to HICA + LV + Taurine + B Vit
Either way i support PES and will grab it just prefer the old. Gonna grab some bulk LV and dose with it in the future.
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i'm also sad to see lv was removed, and agree your point about now having to pay for a second product-- but knowing how this company operates i would not be surprised if they introduce the analyzed lv at an insanely low rock bottom introductory price as a compromise of sorts. i guess we'll see...
 
The Solution said:
Taste should not be the #1 factor in a supplement. I rather have a better formula than a better tasting product.

PES does their flavoring just fine and that has never been an issue (at least for the majority). I would still prefer the Verbena in there (IMO). betaine is dirt cheap(if one wanted to go that route) in bulk and can be found when stacked with Ergonine (which most could stack with Amino IV)
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Ironically, I just made a review of Amino IV a few days ago. I didn't realize that PES had a new formula when I wrote the review. I ordered some PBC Select and got a trial of the new formula and I am excited to give it a shot.

In my review, I stated that the taste was a little disappointing, but this was because I had high expectations from PES, not because it tasted bad. I mean, Select Protein is beyond good "for a protein powder" - it is just good. Amino IV is "good for an intra-workout", and that is OK. Would it be nice if it was better? Yes. Did the fact it wasn't phenomenal stop me from buying more? No.

In my review I also stated just that - I searched around and couldn't find anything that was quite as good as Amino IV, so in spite of the fact I may find something that tasted better, I bought again because I KNOW it worked.

I can see the addition of Betaine being a positive. Lemon Verbena was huge though, and I'm sad to see it go.

Glutamine....meh....I think that is old news and most on the board will tell you it does very little....I could be wrong though.
 
HIT4ME said:
Glutamine....meh....I think that is old news and most on the board will tell you it does very little....I could be wrong though.
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It is not simply Glutamine; it is a combination of Glutamine and Alanine. Combining Glutamine with Alanine increases Glutamine delivery to muscle tissue, and it gets around the reason Glutamine solo doesn't work (primarily that it doesn't reach muscle tissue).
 
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