Pes Alphamine, fat burns, or energy drink?

[TheMaster]

We have other reasons why the old formula was tossed and replaced with the new.

Explain please.

 

[kbayne]

Explain please.

At a later time unfortunately.

 

[snu22]

This make no sense we know they energy drink is big, they could have created another product to sell in that category and keep alphamine. Hopefully another company can use there old formula

As much as I dislike the reformulation, from a business perspective it makes sense for PES to do it the way they did instead of creating a whole new product. Alphamine already has the massive name recognition which gives it a much greater chance of success as an energy drink to appeal to the masses compared to a new unfamiliar product name.

What I wish they would have done (and can still do..) is move the Alphamine formula to a new product for the hordes of us who loved it so much. Either that or backtrack on the horrific changes to Norcodrene and market it as their super powerful fat-burning thermo. IMO it's not the Alphamine change that has everyone up in arms, it's the combination of the Alphamine AND Norcodrene reformulations that has irked people. If we still had Norco as it was previously I know personally I would be much less disappointed in the Alphamine reformulation (because honestly PES having 2 thermos in their product line was a little strange in the first place). As it stands I will no longer have an effective thermo/mood enhancer from PES and will have to start looking elsewhere.

I will still support PES and will continue buying the **** out of their protein and F95 though

 

[squirtguns89]

We will see when it is released how people feel.



Not the slightest in what I am trying to get at.

I'm simply stating, I understand people are upset about the change, but when it comes down to it, the fact is, if you don't like the product, don't buy it. Simple as that.
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for the record, i personally appreciate your straight forward attitude towards this, as theres not much better alternative quite frankly.

obviously i would love an all exclusive financial/business model/future product/transparent current formula reasoning behind everything, however im a realistic person. and much prefer your approach vs feeling like im getting smoke blown up my rear end. the latter quite frankly is how some of the reasoning comes off at times not exclusive this this latest news.

although i likely wont buy alphamine, i think for people that have not tried theanine, this will provide a very nice feeling pick me up, i love the ingredient and always have it on my shelf.

 

[rhoadx]

Maybe I missed it ( I just quickly skimmed through ) but what, alternative brand would be the closest replacement for alphamine?

 

[Ape McGrapes]

Doubt there is a powdered fat burner, but I made a suggestion earlier for a better(imo) energy supp than the new Alphamine.

Ton of good looking burners from OL and Evomuse. Can'tCan't go wrong there.

EC is tried and true as well.

 

[rhoadx]

^ you recommend the focus xt right? I do love focus xt, that and hypermax are my preworkouts of choice. Just wandering about any other options closer to alphamine

 

[Alex281]

^ you recommend the focus xt right? I do love focus xt, that and hypermax are my preworkouts of choice. Just wandering about any other options closer to alphamine

ANS Diablo

 

[josun]

Maybe I missed it ( I just quickly skimmed through ) but what, alternative brand would be the closest replacement for alphamine?

nothing really just add the y

 

[houstontexas]

Got the email about buying the "tastier than ever" Alphamine at 30% off. Was happy to try it then I realized they butchered it to hell and now I'm done with it. Was my only go to fat loss product since it came out. Goodbye old friend. Very uncool to change the entire product and keep the name imo. Lots of people will get duped not paying attention and thinking it's the same as always.

 

[GreekTheBrick]

Its clearly an energy drink. It states it in the ad of their site where it crushes a cup of coffee and a can of something. Not great rivals I guess.

PES did a smart move, we have an uneducated industry of energy drinks where energy equals caffeine and sugar. And then comes PES, with lot of experience in supplements that says no sugar no fat but more energy. Thats how I see it

PS. I forsee an RTD version

 

[Lynks8]

The argument that it's a good energy drink alternative is sound, but an invalid counter to those of us dismayed to see our beloved fat burner replaced in such a manner.

I think it's awesome that PES has a powdered energy drink alternative. I think it's a decent product for said purpose. I think it's the right move for them business-wise. However, it also sucks that it had to take the Alphamine name, which has been a different product for years.

In short: both statements are true and are not at odds with eachother. 1. New Alphamine is a good energy drink alternative. 2. Old Alphamine will be sorely missed by many.

PS. I forsee an RTD version

That would sort of defeat the purpose of their current marketing.

 

[TheMaster]

Got the email about buying the "tastier than ever" Alphamine at 30% off. Was happy to try it then I realized they butchered it to hell and now I'm done with it. Was my only go to fat loss product since it came out. Goodbye old friend. Very uncool to change the entire product and keep the name imo. Lots of people will get duped not paying attention and thinking it's the same as always.

The company sold out.

 

[Dsldude]

PES have been going downhill for a while imho, started pulling components out of Alphamine a couple of years ago and was never quite as good since, then they changed Erase etc, just not like the good old days.

 

[Synapsin]

PES have been going downhill for a while imho, started pulling components out of Alphamine a couple of years ago and was never quite as good since, then they changed Erase etc, just not like the good old days.

Feedback on new erase is better than old erase, not to mention it is more compliant. Erase + is the best version yet.

 

[xo0ox]

Well people get what people want.

All people talked about was how great energy they got from it, how awesome it tasted and how sad that they had to come off (many did not) etc. Not so much talk about it's great fat-burning effects.
Alphamine was a fat-burner but as i read many times on these forums not always used as such but more as an energy drink and well guess what you got, an energy drink that you don't have to cycle, you can be on it year around and chase your energy high.
I'm only sad that Alphamine as a fat-burner had to step aside for that.

The content in "old" Alphamine (Yohimbe, higamine etc) puts stress on the body and should therefore be cycled and used for what it was made for, people under 10% bodyfat trying to attack stubborn areas of fat deposits not as an energy drink.
The energy kick and taste is all good but that is not what I'm after, I'm after the fat-burning effects not chasing an energy high.

But then again people get what people want.

Will be buying a 4 more jars of "old" Alphamine (to be used for other cutts) as an salute to a great supplement.

Also sad to see that PES moving down mainstream street.
PES for me has always been cutting edge supplements that works, targeting the cutting edge and has an ingredient profile i could not find elsewhere.
With these changes as i see it they are moving away from that, targeting a more wider consumer base leaving us more "hardcore" in the dark.

 

[Ape McGrapes]

Justify it however you want, but it's not foolin' us.

 

[ShawnMH]

Not even close. Just finished a tub of the most recent version of OG Alphamine after a long break, my insider order came today and just tried it - I hadn't even realized there was a reformulation when I ordered till I unpacked it.

What a let down.

Going to be stopping at a local vitamin store to clean it out of backstock tomorrow, at full inflated price.

 

[Piston Honda]

And here I am, wishing I could go back in time to 2004 for some VPX Redline. That first formulation has never been equaled in the "energy drink" supp market.

 

[Piston Honda]

Not even close. Just finished a tub of the most recent version of OG Alphamine after a long break, my insider order came today and just tried it - I hadn't even realized there was a reformulation when I ordered till I unpacked it.

What a let down.

Going to be stopping at a local vitamin store to clean it out of backstock tomorrow, at full inflated price.

"I would have to insist that you change the name."
https://youtu.be/FFJo3KhcZw4

 

[GreenMachineX]

Has anyone else tried it? Feels like caffeine! Maybe a little theanine? Definitely a let down.

 

[Chefdeez]

Has anyone else tried it? Feels like caffeine! Maybe a little theanine? Definitely a let down.

Just tried a scoop. I felt like I drank a cup of coffee. Very disappointing. I'll stick to coffee.

 

[iboj007]

Just tried a scoop. I felt like I drank a cup of coffee. Very disappointing. I'll stick to coffee.

Next we're going to be getting fluff "feedback" from users saying that it feels better than the original. Mark this down.

 

[bb333]

PES have been going downhill for a while imho, started pulling components out of Alphamine a couple of years ago and was never quite as good since, then they changed Erase etc, just not like the good old days.

Erase is really improved!
Erase Pro og create too many problems, joint pain, and low libido.
Erase Pro, penultimate, and latest version, it works well!

 

[Driven2lift]

Erase Pro + is great, agreed sir

 

[kbayne]

Just tried a scoop. I felt like I drank a cup of coffee. Very disappointing. I'll stick to coffee.

What were/are your expectations with it?

Like we've stated, its more of an energy drink now. So if you felt like you drank a cup of coffee, well, then Alphamine did its job.

 

[TheMaster]

What were/are your expectations with it?

Like we've stated, its more of an energy drink now. So if you felt like you drank a cup of coffee, well, then Alphamine did its job.

Well I did a full scoop of Mesomorph this morning. I could have easily worked out for hours on end. Finally wearing off now, that feeling you get when you drink too many cups of coffee? I was focused in the gym this morning though so it did its job. I didn' feel jittery off of it, just wired for a while and needed to pace around and find something to do. If I didnt stay busy I got a little edgy. The feeling was simliar to Yohimbine but just not with the negative sides. Such as a serious crash and pissed off mood after having to leave the gym.

DMAA is not as hardcore as people make it out to be.

 

[kbayne]

Well I did a full scoop of Mesomorph this morning. I could have easily worked out for hours on end. Finally wearing off now, that feeling you get when you drink too many cups of coffee? I was focused in the gym this morning though so it did its job. I didn' feel jittery off of it, just wired for a while and needed to pace around and find something to do. If I didnt stay busy I got a little edgy. The feeling was simliar to Yohimbine but just not with the negative sides. Such as a serious crash and pissed off mood after having to leave the gym.

DMAA is not as hardcore as people make it out to be.

What do you mean "hardcore"?

DMAA seems to have done exactly what its meant to do for you, high energy, extreme focus, and having to force yourself to leave the gym. Yeah, some notice a crash from DMAA, while others don't, which seems to be one of the negative side effects.

I don't find DMAA to be similar to Y at all.

 

[TheMaster]

What do you mean "hardcore"?

DMAA seems to have done exactly what its meant to do for you, high energy, extreme focus, and having to force yourself to leave the gym. Yeah, some notice a crash from DMAA, while others don't, which seems to be one of the negative side effects.

I don't find DMAA to be similar to Y at all.

Nothing really dangerous about it at all. Can't believe they banned preworkouts that have it to be honest with you in the past. I could see them banning bulk DMAA but thats about it.

 

[Chefdeez]

What were/are your expectations with it?

Like we've stated, its more of an energy drink now. So if you felt like you drank a cup of coffee, well, then Alphamine did its job.

Sure, it lived up to its unimpressive label. Is that what you want me to say? Sorry I thought forums were for giving your opinion. My opinion is that the "feel" is no different than a single cup of coffee. This is in no way a fitness/bodybuilding product.

 

[Driven2lift]

Well even if that's all that I note (getting them soon) I'd still be happy. I don't drink coffee lol. And convenience for me, custom dose, flavour of choice.

Even if not for that, cheaper than coffee. Matches caffeine content in average energy drinks much more affordably as well.

 

[Chefdeez]

Well even if that's all that I note (getting them soon) I'd still be happy. I don't drink coffee lol. And convenience for me, custom dose, flavour of choice.

Even if not for that, cheaper than coffee. Matches caffeine content in average energy drinks much more affordably as well.

Cheaper than coffee? Not a chance, but I hope you enjoy it.

 

[Driven2lift]

I hope so too

 

[SBIK]

What were/are your expectations with it?

Like we've stated, its more of an energy drink now. So if you felt like you drank a cup of coffee, well, then Alphamine did its job.

Probably more than a cup of coffee.

Driven basically says the same thing as you but in a much better way, You just seem defensive and like u dont give 2 ****s now.

 

[Chefdeez]

I feel bad for the company reps that actually have to tow the line on this underwhelming crap.

Sometimes it's better to say nothing at all.

 

[kbayne]

Sure, it lived up to its unimpressive label. Is that what you want me to say? Sorry I thought forums were for giving your opinion. My opinion is that the "feel" is no different than a single cup of coffee. This is in no way a fitness/bodybuilding product.

An honest opinion is always appreciated and wanted.

I wasn't trying to come off negative by my comment, I just was curious what you were expecting, as you stated it seemed like you drank a cup of coffee, which is what most energy drinks on the market are used for.

Probably more than a cup of coffee.

Driven basically says the same thing as you but in a much better way, You just seem defensive and like u dont give 2 ****s now.

Defensive, yes. But for good reason. I could just sit back and not say anything, but that wouldn't help much. I am simply trying to let people know what the product is marketed to do now, and that I do understand people are upset about the change.

 

[TheMaster]

If PEScience wants to send a message I recommend releasing a pre with DMAA and Yohimbe HCl combined along with 175 mg of caffeine per serving.

 

[kbayne]

If PEScience wants to send a message I recommend releasing a pre with DMAA and Yohimbe HCl combined along with 175 mg of caffeine per serving.

We've got something better coming.

 

[TheMaster]

We've got something better coming.

Wow. I will be buying!!!

 

[Driven2lift]

Just sit tight AM, PEScience has some real fun coming

 

[GreenMachineX]

We've got something better coming.

Just sit tight AM, PEScience has some real fun coming

Hope your releasing something better without Y...

 

[kbayne]

Hope your releasing something better without Y...

Wouldn't make sense to come out with another product containing a form of Y when we just reformulated products that contained the compound.

 

[Bamski]

We've got something better coming.

Good news!

 

[GreenMachineX]

Wouldn't make sense to come out with another product containing a form of Y when we just reformulated products that contained the compound.

Well, reformulating the best 2 fat burners on the market didn't make sense either, so, you know...

 

[slimsaw00]

We've got something better coming.

Yeah this can come out any time now!!

 

[kbayne]

Well, reformulating the best 2 fat burners on the market didn't make sense either, so, you know...

Again, there are reasons behind why they were reformulated.

 

[GreenMachineX]

Again, there are reasons behind why they were reformulated.

Hope so.

 

[Ape McGrapes]

Hopefully it's not a pre. That market is over saturated, and over rated.

 

[kbayne]

Hopefully it's not a pre. That market is over saturated, and over rated.

Sorry to tell you, but we are in the process of developing a stim based pre.

 

[Jiigzz]

Sorry to tell you, but we are in the process of developing a stim based pre.

Pres are one of the only things im interested in outside of health supps. Color me intrigued