Performax Labs Natural Anabolic LOGGING OPPORTUNITY

banjobounce said:
I would enjoy giving this a shot, as I am planning on working up to an overreaching phase in a couple of weeks. This would consist of CNS type workouts in the mornings (probably cluster sets) and lactic acid type training in the evening via giant or extended sets. Any days that have only one training session would be straight volume. The increase in appetite would probably help me get the extra calories in to better recover.

Staple supps atm are ca-hmb, fish oil, whey, creatine, beta alanine, betaine, multi, ashwaganda, I could also run this alongside ARA (as I had originally planned to use) or without. I will be on vacation during the first week of June, but could begin as soon as I return (in case the package arrives while I am gone).

Have been wanting to log anyway, however, I do have one question: are pictures required. I do not care to post pictures, but I do not have smart phone, and when I can get access to my mother's (ya laugh all laugh. I use my mom's phone), I can't seem to get the file size down enough to post to the forum. Any help with this would also be appreciated.
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We would like for this to be ran almost solo. You would definitely need to drop the Ashwagandha and maybe the HMB if selected. Adizzle1 could could chime in more on the HMB.
 
AntM1564 said:
We would like for this to be ran almost solo. You would definitely need to drop the Ashwagandha and maybe the HMB if selected. Adizzle1 could could chime in more on the HMB.
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That'd be crazy if you guys let someone run HMB-CA/FA while using this...lol.
 
Just friendly reminder of application requirements.

We are looking for 5 dedicated users to log this promising new supplement. Loggers must post detailed updates at least 4-5 times per week, and must not be taking any supplements other than the basics. Applicants must post links to past logs, as well as a list of the supplements you are currently taking.

Requirements for Loggers:
-Must be 18 years or older
-Must be able to start immediately and post 4-6 times per week in log
-Must live in the US
 
I meet all requirements
Here is the current and only logged supplement I have.
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I would be running it with BLR Rebirth, NOW Boron, Hawthorne berry, fish oil, protein and a pre workout. May add creatine. Goal is clean weight gain.
Thanks.
 
Woody said:
So adaptogens don't count as basics? What about nootropics?
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I would say yes, adaptogens count as basics, but we want to make sure when others are reading the logs, they cannot say that anything else attributed to the final results.

I am going to beta test this as well and believe me, I'm not thrilled about stopping Ashwagandha!

Bengal said:
I meet all requirements
Here is the current and only logged supplement I have.
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I would be running it with BLR Rebirth, NOW Boron, Hawthorne berry, fish oil, protein and a pre workout. May add creatine. Goal is clean weight gain.
Thanks.
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If selected, we would not want you to run Rebirth.
 
AntM1564 said:
I would say yes, adaptogens count as basics, but we want to make sure when others are reading the logs, they cannot say that anything else attributed to the final results.

I am going to beta test this as well and believe me, I'm not thrilled about stopping Ashwagandha!



If selected, we would not want you to run Rebirth.
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I would still run Rebirth as pct for the SDMZ. Unless this product would work as a bridge, or pct.
 
We wouldn't want this used as a bridge or pct.

Like I said this isn't a marketing ploy to simply get logs going n create hype before a launch, this is a real beta-test to see if the innovative formula we have created delivers in the aspects we have designed it to. We need to keep this testing as controlled as possible with the most minimal amount of variables as possible.

This is a great opportunity to try what we believe to be an amazing all natural anabolic months before it would be available to the public.
 
Bengal said:
Have you guys not tried it yourselves??
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Unlike most companies that rush things to market we do a pretty extensive testing rounds to make sure we get everything right before production. We have completed our first round of testing with a very small sample group of just a couple people. It passed and it has moved onto a larger sample of 10-20 people which is where we are at now. We are offering 5-6 of those opportunities to forum members to get a wider range of input on the formula.

With this product, on paper, many companies would simply pull the trigger and start selling however we are a bit different then most companies! I will say that the formula looks amazing and we believe it will be at the top of the Natural Anabolic category.
 
AntM1564 said:
I would say yes, adaptogens count as basics, but we want to make sure when others are reading the logs, they cannot say that anything else attributed to the final results.

I am going to beta test this as well and believe me, I'm not thrilled about stopping Ashwagandha!
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I know you're not wanting to divulge a lot of information, but is this because the product has an impact on cortisol and/or mood and/or stress management?

To my knowledge, KSM-66 hasn't given people any abnormal/increased gains despite the potential test boosting properties.
 
Woody said:
I know you're not wanting to divulge a lot of information, but is this because the product has an impact on cortisol and/or mood and/or stress management?

To my knowledge, KSM-66 hasn't given people any abnormal/increased gains despite the potential test boosting properties.
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Just keeping the testing as variable free as possible. Ingredients that modulate testosterone/cortisol would not be smart to use while trying to nail down the exact effects of a specific product for testing to go into production. Its just a 4 week beta-test using a product that no one will be able to use for months, its a great opportunity and dropping things like KSM-66 is just part of the deal.
 
June bump!

Let's get few more people in here. This is a great opportunity to try a product months in advance of release.
 
Woody said:
I know you're not wanting to divulge a lot of information, but is this because the product has an impact on cortisol and/or mood and/or stress management?

To my knowledge, KSM-66 hasn't given people any abnormal/increased gains despite the potential test boosting properties.
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Ashwagandha has other properties that improve various parts of exercise performance though, as well as improved body composition.
 
ma70 said:
Ashwagandha has other properties that improve various parts of exercise performance though, as well as improved body composition.
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This. While it may not be incredibly drastic by itself in the short term, I feel that a few months of daily use does favorably improve body composition and exercise performance in various ways. But hey, it's not a bad idea to take a few weeks off every once in a while, so this log would be a great time for that people.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
This. While it may not be incredibly drastic by itself in the short term, I feel that a few months of daily use does favorably improve body composition and exercise performance in various ways. But hey, it's not a bad idea to take a few weeks off every once in a while, so this log would be a great time for that people.
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I think people are missing the point though that this beta test is supposed to be the absolute bare minimum so you guys can figure out if it works or not. Everyone just wants to stack stack stack and get free product. So honestly, you guys get a big thumbs up for me for trying to eliminate this kind of stuff. Most of the logs I find on here that are sponsored are pretty useless in figuring out anything because there are way too many variables and not enough detailed tracking.
 
ma70 said:
I think people are missing the point though that this beta test is supposed to be the absolute bare minimum so you guys can figure out if it works or not. Everyone just wants to stack stack stack and get free product. So honestly, you guys get a big thumbs up for me for trying to eliminate this kind of stuff. Most of the logs I find on here that are sponsored are pretty useless in figuring out anything because there are way too many variables and not enough detailed tracking.
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There is an opposite effect, though.. If you're on 100 products then stop them all for the log, the results of the log are still skewed just in the opposite direction.

Most sponsored logs are also useless bc people think they have to say the product is the best thing evurrrrrrrrrr since it's free. It's like a gentlemens agreement almost... Free product for good review. I've bought a couple products based on logs and was highly disappointed.
 
Woody said:
There is an opposite effect, though.. If you're on 100 products then stop them all for the log, the results of the log are still skewed just in the opposite direction.

Most sponsored logs are also useless bc people think they have to say the product is the best thing evurrrrrrrrrr since it's free. It's like a gentlemens agreement almost... Free product for good review. I've bought a couple products based on logs and was highly disappointed.
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That is true as well. It is a bit different for different people though. For example, things like creatine and betaine (CreMax XT for me) are staples for a lot of people. PA (lecithin granules) are another staple for me (and starting to be for more people as well). However, these are things that I take regularly, and have been taking for a while now. There are some people who are either just starting something like PA, or who are taking things that need to be cycled that obviously wouldn't make for a good log, as they introduce too many variables. Also, HMB-CA may end up becoming a staple for me, as I enjoy high volume and frequency training, but I could see why it wouldn't necessarily make for the best log here, as it's another big variable that the average user probably isn't going to have.

As it has been said before, we are looking to get actual, real, valuable feedback here; not just to drum up some hype by giving out free product and having people rave about it because they got it for free.
 
muscleupcrohn said:
That is true as well. It is a bit different for different people though. For example, things like creatine and betaine (CreMax XT for me) are staples for a lot of people. PA (lecithin granules) are another staple for me (and starting to be for more people as well). However, these are things that I take regularly, and have been taking for a while now. There are some people who are either just starting something like PA, or who are taking things that need to be cycled that obviously wouldn't make for a good log, as they introduce too many variables. Also, HMB-CA may end up becoming a staple for me, as I enjoy high volume and frequency training, but I could see why it wouldn't necessarily make for the best log here, as it's another big variable that the average user probably isn't going to have.

As it has been said before, we are looking to get actual, real, valuable feedback here; not just to drum up some hype by giving out free product and having people rave about it because they got it for free.
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I've never used HMB. I don't think my training volume is enough to use it but from what I've read from you (and others) it seems like a near necessity for high volume and frequency training.

PA is probably the only thing I take that could negatively impact the data, but I've been on some form of PA for probably a year.

I've never been a fan of selling my soul. Hence why I'm not a defense attorney
 
Woody said:
I've never used HMB. I don't think my training volume is enough to use it but from what I've read from you (and others) it seems like a near necessity for high volume and frequency training.

PA is probably the only thing I take that could negatively impact the data, but I've been on some form of PA for probably a year.

I've never been a fan of selling my soul. Hence why I'm not a defense attorney
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When I'm using HMB, I want to hit each muscle group at least 3x per week with at least 10-12 sets (to or close to failure) per body part per session.
 
Woody said:
There is an opposite effect, though.. If you're on 100 products then stop them all for the log, the results of the log are still skewed just in the opposite direction.

Most sponsored logs are also useless bc people think they have to say the product is the best thing evurrrrrrrrrr since it's free. It's like a gentlemens agreement almost... Free product for good review. I've bought a couple products based on logs and was highly disappointed.
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I get that point as well, which is why they should be even more careful with picking loggers that aren't compulsive stackers that probably don't even know what product is doing what (in their current stack).

But also, whenever I do sponsored logs, I apply for stuff I actually think will be effective from companies I generally trust. I feel like a lot of people just log whatever they see, whether the profile is good or not then spit out some useless vague review that praises it. Thankfully, the 1-2 sponsored logs I've done haven't been with products that completely disappointed me or I'd probably never ever be picked again to log, hahaha.

Woody said:
I've never used HMB. I don't think my training volume is enough to use it but from what I've read from you (and others) it seems like a near necessity for high volume and frequency training.

PA is probably the only thing I take that could negatively impact the data, but I've been on some form of PA for probably a year.

I've never been a fan of selling my soul. Hence why I'm not a defense attorney
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The thing is, if their product increases glycogen retention (just like PA does), you might not notice anything different because you're already taking a product that increases glycogen retention. You know what I mean?
 
ma70 said:
I get that point as well, which is why they should be even more careful with picking loggers that aren't compulsive stackers that probably don't even know what product is doing what (in their current stack).

But also, whenever I do sponsored logs, I apply for stuff I actually think will be effective from companies I generally trust. I feel like a lot of people just log whatever they see, whether the profile is good or not then spit out some useless vague review that praises it. Thankfully, the 1-2 sponsored logs I've done haven't been with products that completely disappointed me or I'd probably never ever be picked again to log, hahaha.



The thing is, if their product increases glycogen retention (just like PA does), you might not notice anything different because you're already taking a product that increases glycogen retention. You know what I mean?
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I agree with the glycogen retention comment, but as for me, whenever I get on SL granules, I do get a bit of a bloat, so dropping them a week before starting whatever this product is would, imo, allow for the effects to be seen (not to mention save ~8g of fat in one's macros). I don't mind dropping ash, I normally use it more during fall/spring before bed (I am a school teacher and have more time to sleep in during summer). I do see where Woody is coming from when ;he says dropping all staples would cause enough changes to skew results as well.

Regardless, I am excited to see the logs of the members chosen to run it. More so, I am excited to see the profile/ what the product actually is.
 
Just FYI, I myself won't even get to run it during this Beta. I am in the middle of running a few products right now, so I'm out.

Bad timing for me, because I'm super excited for this. However we need the clean data.
 
jaredmus said:
-Must be 18 years or older--- 24
-Must be able to start immediately and post 4-6 times per week in log-- YES
-Must live in the US-- NY

Invalid Link Removed Past log for you guys I have a review in the store as well.

Why you should pick me. I will keep and honest log, I feel that is the biggest issue with logs and threads, not as much on these forums but others. Everyone writes up whatever they want to keep the reps happy. I have given some honest feedback on these forums since joining and think its key.
Plus shout out to having one of the most muscular guys on your team pound for pound [video=youtube;H-RguvK4cWc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-RguvK4cWc[/video]
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Bump and [video=youtube;XHyyOPWxplg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHyyOPWxplg[/video]
Let me run this and help me get to a 685 deadlift at 202lbs
 
Not sure if I am in consideration but if I am - I won an Androcrine log. However, my girlfriend will actually be running that log for the recovery and joint benefits which leaves me free and clear to run this. No pressure though, I know I may not be the most qualified logger due to my current staples. I just wanted to clarify so it didn't look like i was trying to take advantage of the opportunities.
 
jaredmus said:
-Must be 18 years or older--- 24
-Must be able to start immediately and post 4-6 times per week in log-- YES
-Must live in the US-- NY

Invalid Link Removed Past log for you guys I have a review in the store as well.

Why you should pick me. I will keep and honest log, I feel that is the biggest issue with logs and threads, not as much on these forums but others. Everyone writes up whatever they want to keep the reps happy. I have given some honest feedback on these forums since joining and think its key.
Plus shout out to having one of the most muscular guys on your team pound for pound [video=youtube;H-RguvK4cWc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-RguvK4cWc[/video]
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Burnfire said:
Hey guys just came across this, I would love to log this product. Currently I'm running just multivitamins, fish oil and whey. I just got done doing a crazy cycle and am going natural for a bit. I can meet all the requirements.

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Why you should pick me. I will keep the updates and post pics along with way. Also I'll give my honest option of the product and post reviews at the end of the log. I'm trying to bulk to add some mass that was lost during my pct.


Edit: Forgot to add this log, I logged a few products in here

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broken bottle said:
ok Here we go.
I'm 36, in America.
I'm willing to try this because I trust Performax to put out a safe effective product, and I love gains. I currently take bcaa, creatine, vitamin D, fish oil, pre-workout, a greens formula occasionally, and,I take Celebrex for arthritis. I am on TRT.

Current goals are to, get jacked, and get PR's. I'm eating above maintenance and working hard in the gym 5-6 days a week. Training is currently on the tail end of 12 week peaking cycle, with extra arm days.

AM logs:
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http://anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/234473-being-alpha-mn.html
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Will you three gentlemen PM me your shipping information ASAP, you have been selected!

Remember, nothing else, but staples should be ran during this log and you must update 4-5 times a week, minimum.
 
When will we get to know what the product actually is?
 
christ83189 said:
Well im not really comfortable with that then. I like to know what it is im putting into my body. I am interested in info though so ill be following this thread and then the logs :)
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Sounds like the final episode of ink masters. You don't know what tat your going to get, but you can guarantee is going to rock, lol.

On a side note, I'm with you on this one. Not keen on blindly putting anything in me, but it is Performax Labs so its backed by a solid reputation.
 
Woody said:
Only 3 winners? Congrats fellas. Looking forward to the logs
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Actually, two. One of the users selected was honest enough to tell me he is running another log.

Who knows, maybe there will be more people that will be contacted to run it!
 
Alright guys, I sent your shipping info to the boss man. We just got the beta product in this afternoon! Hopefully you will see it sometime next week.
 
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