people say dhb doesnt mess with e2 but i think it does

[Rbnbrb]

Im on trt 100mg per week split in 2 doses last check my e2 was 35 non sensitive shbg 10.9 prl 10. To be fair after my thursday shots around saturday afternoon till monday before my next shot i start to feel my e2 droping a bit but nothing crazy. So i though about increasing testosterone to 40mg m/w/f and add 20mg dhb with each shot. First shot monday after few hours i notice some arrhythmia i was in the gym so i wasn't giving to much attention but i noticed my joints feel a bit strange. Then as the time kept going hr was jumping from 80s-100s bp was around 110-130 with sudden spikes up to 150 that felt like panic attacks veins disappeared. Joints started to feel even worse than before my wrist and knees hurt while i was trying to relax from this **** in bed also had hot/cold flushes . Stress symptoms peaked after 10 hours of injection and improved after 12 hours. I slept as much i could and rhr droped to 54 but since i woke up things started again but smoother hr jums 70s-80s body feels like **** joints hurt i have dry skin on my hands lips are dry hot/cold swings etc.
All these look like crashed e2 and it reminds me boldenone cypionate if i take more bold cyp compared to 5:1 then then more i take the harder it hits even the same day

 

[Smont]

DHB absolutely lowers estrogen in plenty of people. But it takes weeks it's not going to happen with an hours or days, its likely something else caused your issues. If you had been on dhb for something like 2+ weeks (I'm guessing on that timeline) but definitely over a week or two and you started getting those symptoms I would have said it was low E2.

 

[Smont]

@Hyde

 

[Rbnbrb]

DHB absolutely lowers estrogen in plenty of people. But it takes weeks it's not going to happen with an hours or days, its likely something else caused your issues. If you had been on dhb for something like 2+ weeks (I'm guessing on that timeline) but definitely over a week or two and you started getting those symptoms I would have said it was low E2.

Yes you are right it doesn't make sense but im also very sensitive to boldenone 300mg test e and 60mg bold cyp sent my e2 to 19 in one week. I know it doesn't look crashed but its non sensitive i don't know how accurate it is but symptoms were similar. One thing i remember is vasoconstriction pattern few hours after bold shot veins disappearing and after 12 hours started popping again. It might be anything but i saw it happening over and over

 

[Hyde]

Yes you are right it doesn't make sense but im also very sensitive to boldenone 300mg test e and 60mg bold cyp sent my e2 to 19 in one week. I know it doesn't look crashed but its non sensitive i don't know how accurate it is but symptoms were similar. One thing i remember is vasoconstriction pattern few hours after bold shot veins disappearing and after 12 hours started popping again. It might be anything but i saw it happening over and over

I don’t doubt EQ did that too you or that DHB could have some drying for you, as people respond differently. But that’s too fast it seems if actually 1-Test Cypionate as advertised. So like Smont said it takes time to lower things drastically; same day doesn’t really make sense & could be more of a psychosomatic issue here.

OR one of the solvents used in this brewing of DHB is not playing nicely with you at all. DHB needs to be cooked with love & knowledge, otherwise it’s going to crash or be full of too much (or too strong) solvents that can affect health.

OR it’s something else entirely, but mast prop is more expensive than DHB raws and test prop would certainly raise estrogen quickly, so that theory seems very unlikely in this scenario.

Without testing, I will say for me DHB seems basically estrogen neutral. 400 test & 400 mast seemed almost a little dry for me, but with 200 DHB on board it was perfect (note, don’t just use 200 DHB - that’s a LOT on the nervous system if you’re not familiar with it).

Also, DHB does crank up insulin sensitivity and neural output. So it can drive anxiety if you are not used to it; I’ve had times where I had to come down from 200 to 140 because I felt like I was always on the edge of exploding. Just a constant mental tension. But this last run was no problem. It can really dial things up in an intense way for thinking, processing, strength - and it can make you go too fast, almost twitchy, if it’s too much for you.

 

[Smont]

I was actually thinking it may be one of the solvents too

 

[Rbnbrb]

I don’t doubt EQ did that too you or that DHB could have some drying for you, as people respond differently. But that’s too fast it seems if actually 1-Test Cypionate as advertised. So like Smont said it takes time to lower things drastically; same day doesn’t really make sense & could be more of a psychosomatic issue here.

OR one of the solvents used in this brewing of DHB is not playing nicely with you at all. DHB needs to be cooked with love & knowledge, otherwise it’s going to crash or be full of too much (or too strong) solvents that can affect health.

OR it’s something else entirely, but mast prop is more expensive than DHB raws and test prop would certainly raise estrogen quickly, so that theory seems very unlikely in this scenario.

Without testing, I will say for me DHB seems basically estrogen neutral. 400 test & 400 mast seemed almost a little dry for me, but with 200 DHB on board it was perfect (note, don’t just use 200 DHB - that’s a LOT on the nervous system if you’re not familiar with it).

Also, DHB does crank up insulin sensitivity and neural output. So it can drive anxiety if you are not used to it; I’ve had times where I had to come down from 200 to 140 because I felt like I was always on the edge of exploding. Just a constant mental tension. But this last run was no problem. It can really dial things up in an intense way for thinking, processing, strength - and it can make you go too fast, almost twitchy, if it’s too much for you.

Im thinking to try it once more but first i will increase my e2 around 50(now is 35) by increasing my test dose and try a lower dhb dose of 5-10mg. But if this happens again do you have any recommendation of what blood markers to test?? Also a thing i forgot last time i used boldenone my fasted glucose was 66 and usually is in the 80s

 

[Hyde]

Im thinking to try it once more but first i will increase my e2 around 50(now is 35) by increasing my test dose and try a lower dhb dose of 5-10mg. But if this happens again do you have any recommendation of what blood markers to test?? Also a thing i forgot last time i used boldenone my fasted glucose was 66 and usually is in the 80s

Yeah 30mg DHB added to a cruise/replacement dose is going to do something. I think your idea is sound. Also, get a glucometer and take your blood sugar before you add it in, then monitor occasionally. Low blood sugar feels absolutely terrible, as you know.

HsCRP is about the only marker I can think of, to monitor inflammation. Maybe GGT if you wanted to also check for liver damage. When I was on the above stack, plus 100mg Tren Ace per week and 200mg orals/wk, my HsCRP was only 1.0 drawn 3 days before contest. Basically zero inflammation.