Pentagon Releases Video of Plane Hitting Building on 9/11

[BioHazzard]

There is no theory in my post only scientific fact. So what punched the hole,tell me your physics experience that will tell you aluminum can't pierce through concrete? how about a softer copper, could that pass through concrete? How about glass? I know a piece of copper can pass through 3.5 meters of steel given the right propulsion, same with glass. And these pieces of copper and glass dont have to be much bigger than a basketball even smaller. If I post military manuals or mathematical calulations for diameter, angle and standoff distance for shape charges would you believe it wasnt a shaped charge? If it wasnt a plane and wasnt a shaped charge, what in your opinion made that hole?

I am just curious as to what you know that you can claim aluminum cannot pass through concrete that I do not? Please tell me exactly what velocity aluminum would have to attain to puncture through 3 feet of concrete how about 9, since you seem to be albe to conclude that it cant pass through 9 , how much could it pass through then 2 feet? Much softer material can easily pass through harder objects given sufficient mass and velocity. how many kgs of aluminium in what shape going what velocity in your opinion could do this?

Are you one of the people who subscribes to the "theory" (flawed one at best) that a softer object cannot pass through a harder object? Is lead softer than concrete? how does lead shoot through concrete, how about softer than bone? it explodes bones doesnt it. How about water is water softer than steel or rocks? explain how then water saws cut through feet of marble or quantities of steel?


Also if you read my posts you will see I never argued that the story isnt flawed, only the argument that no plane hit the pentagon. I have posted pictures of debris if you look for the link which conclusively proves it was plane debris.

lol Now, at least someone knows I felt!

Seems that there are people out there who will insist that 1+1=2 is just a theory. And, they can be rather indignant if you don't care to pay attention to their 'theories'.

 

[jarhead]

There is no theory in my post only scientific fact(obviously logical exercises aren't fact, but my post is chock full of scientific facts). So what punched the hole,tell me your physics experience that will tell you aluminum can't pierce through concrete? how about a softer copper, could that pass through concrete? How about glass? I know a piece of copper can pass through 3.5 meters of steel given the right propulsion, same with glass. And these pieces of copper and glass dont have to be much bigger than a basketball even smaller. If I post military manuals or mathematical calulations for diameter, angle and standoff distance for shape charges would you believe it wasnt a shaped charge? If it wasnt a plane and wasnt a shaped charge, what in your opinion made that hole?

I am just curious as to what you know that you can claim aluminum cannot pass through concrete that I do not? Please tell me exactly what velocity aluminum would have to attain to puncture through 3 feet of concrete how about 9, since you seem to be albe to conclude that it cant pass through 9 , how much could it pass through then 2 feet? Much softer material can easily pass through harder objects given sufficient mass and velocity. how many kgs of aluminium in what shape going what velocity in your opinion could do this?

Are you one of the people who subscribes to the "theory" (flawed one at best) that a softer object cannot pass through a harder object? Is lead softer than concrete? how does lead shoot through concrete, how about softer than bone? it explodes bones doesnt it. How about water is water softer than steel or rocks? explain how then water saws cut through feet of marble or quantities of steel?


Also if you read my posts you will see I never argued that the story isnt flawed, only the argument that no plane hit the pentagon. I have posted pictures of debris if you look for the link which conclusively proves it was plane debris.

Actually I subscribe to common sense. And I've also seen other plane crashes.And I've worked with jets and jet fuel. We are not talking about lead, bone, water, steel...we are talking about the aluminum cone of a plane pentrating 2 rings of the pentagon at 400odd mph. Oh, and the numerous eyewitness accounts that said it was not a 757. This has been discussed in great lengths before on here, and the one thing I can say I'm 100% sure about is that nobody is changing anyone's mind on either side no matter how long we talk. In the end none of it matters, because if the "theories" are right, we'll never know.

 

[jarhead]

lol Now, at least someone knows I felt!

Seems that there are people out there who will insist that 1+1=2 is just a theory. And, they can be rather indignant if you don't care to pay attention to their 'theories'.

Yeah and there are people who believe that jet fuel(which burns like kerosene, and burns quickly) caused something to happen that had NEVER happened before, 3 times in one day-namely the collapse of 3 buildings at freefall speed from fire damage. So when someone questions something that has never happened before, and tries to accept some bull**** pancake theory, they're crazy, and can't add 1+1 I guess.

 

[SHADOW2492]

Actually I subscribe to common sense. And I've also seen other plane crashes.And I've worked with jets and jet fuel. We are not talking about lead, bone, water, steel...we are talking about the aluminum cone of a plane pentrating 2 rings of the pentagon at 400odd mph. Oh, and the numerous eyewitness accounts that said it was not a 757. This has been discussed in great lengths before on here, and the one thing I can say I'm 100% sure about is that nobody is changing anyone's mind on either side no matter how long we talk. In the end none of it matters, because if the "theories" are right, we'll never know.

Why dont you view my rense pictures? Invalid Link Removed
clearly shows plane wreckage.
Look how basic your answer was why dont you tell me how you know 500 odd kg of aluminum shaped like a pentrator cannot pierce concrete at 400 MPH, I don't quite understand how you can say that, I dare you to tell me otherwise I must call BS. You don't even try to explain your logic behind aluminium not being able to penetrate. So in your claim of working with jet fuel is that you saying JET fuel was not present in the film? That is ridiculous if you look at any other giant airplane crash the fireball is almost exactly the same.

 

[SHADOW2492]

Yeah and there are people who believe that jet fuel(which burns like kerosene, and burns quickly) caused something to happen that had NEVER happened before, 3 times in one day-namely the collapse of 3 buildings at freefall speed from fire damage. So when someone questions something that has never happened before, and tries to accept some bull**** pancake theory, they're crazy, and can't add 1+1 I guess.

it burns quickly given perfect conditions, seeing as it was indoors, the fire wasnt getting as many oxygen molecules for the fire to burn as fast as if it would in the open. Also the fact that the fuel burns quick doesnt change the fact that other combustibles can continue to burn after the original source of fire is gone.

Also if you knew anything about engineering or physics you would know buildings as large as world trade center cannot tip over to any significant degree. The mechanisms of the collapse are pretty basic a few floors had weakend frame, they give then the entire building on top of it weighing in a millions of pounds drops 1-5 floors, that can give quite enough inertia to cause a cascading pancake effect.

 

[jarhead]

Why dont you view my rense pictures? Invalid Link Removed
clearly shows plane wreckage.
Look how basic your answer was why dont you tell me how you know 500 odd kg of aluminum shaped like a pentrator cannot pierce concrete at 400 MPH, I don't quite understand how you can say that, I dare you to tell me otherwise I must call BS. You don't even try to explain your logic behind aluminium not being able to penetrate. So in your claim of working with jet fuel is that you saying JET fuel was not present in the film? That is ridiculous if you look at any other giant airplane crash the fireball is almost exactly the same.

Were you hoping tha because you claim to have worked with jets and jet fuel and have seen crashes you could ignore all my points, claim nothing and hope I will go away? IF you viewed my material posted you might actually sway your mind, its not good to be unwavering in beliefs. People who fail to discuss and only recognize there own preformed views will never change, and nothing comes about. I dont bury my head in the sand no thanks.

I did view your material, and have seen it before. My logic is that I know how easily the cones of planes break off( and why we are stuck on this point is beyond me) and I don't need a physics lesson to explain that to me. My views are not preformed, I had just gotten out of the Marine corpse when the attacks happened, and was as outraged as the next guy. As far as the fireball,...please.

Do you not think my immediate reaction when I first heard about this stuff was not to try and call bull****? I had just served my government, you think that I'd just CHOOSE to believe that they'd have any part in this? I'm sick of hearing anyone questioning the official story being called crazy, while you guys repeat the same tired crap without taking an honest look at the other possibilities. There are so many more things beside the few that have been brought up in these threads that screams something is not right. Such as our countries air defenses. Over a hundred times a year there are alerts that have resulted in fighters being scrambled, yet on this day they were just too slow in responding. I have seen with my own eyes, an f-18 scrambled to lorain ohio in response to a pilot who was out of it from coplications from diabetes. The guy almost flew a cessna into city hall. Within 20 minutes or so, an f-18 was shadowing the guy( circling him flying damn near verticle due to the slow speed). But losing contact with multiple passenger airliners doesn't warrant the same response? If it looks like bull****, smells like bull****, .....I would love to be able to trust my government the way some of you guys do.

Honestly, I'm sorry for even adding to the fire with that. Nothing new is being said here, and peoples minds are made up, so it's kinda pointless. I can respect a different opinion than mine no problem, and I won't even bust out the crazy jokes.

 

[jarhead]

it burns quickly given perfect conditions, seeing as it was indoors, the fire wasnt getting as many oxygen molecules for the fire to burn as fast as if it would in the open. Also the fact that the fuel burns quick doesnt change the fact that other combustibles can continue to burn after the original source of fire is gone.

Also if you knew anything about engineering or physics you would know buildings as large as world trade center cannot tip over to any significant degree. The mechanisms of the collapse are pretty basic a few floors had weakend frame, they give then the entire building on top of it weighing in a millions of pounds drops 1-5 floors, that can give quite enough inertia to cause a cascading pancake effect.

Wow that's great. There are also lots of experts who say the exact opposite of what you said. That's why I said this is pointless. BTW- no you're right I know nothing of physics or engineering. In fact I can't even tie my own shoes. I just sit around all day in my underwear drooling on my belly making up conspiracy theories.

 

[BioHazzard]

Jarhead, if you don't mind my asking. What's your Marines MOS?

 

[jarhead]

Jarhead, if you don't mind my asking. What's your Marines MOS?

6465/6400 avionics, and also crosstrained in 7000/51 aircraft firefighting/airfield services.


Oh and I was a trained killer. j/k

 

[SHADOW2492]

My logic is that I know how easily the cones of planes break off( and why we are stuck on this point is beyond me) and I don't need a physics lesson to explain that to me.

Ok you seem to be nice and I may have been a bit hard on you, so I will compromise here. I can see what you mean about it breaking off, but given a straight enough impact the thing will act just like a arrow or knife. I actually have many conspiracy theories regarding 9/11. the one I cannot believe though is the no plane hit the pentagon one, because what I have seen tells me it is the truth( a plane did hit is what i meant by truth) and the fact that many people died supposedly in that plane and is disrespectful of the dead to deny that. Some of my conspiracy theories were along the lines that either they actually knew bin laden was going to do it did nothing, or it was US behind it and remotely guided planes into the targets to justify future plans for expansion of the military industrial complex and its future wars. or that even Russia and the US are creating terrorism as a weapon to control the masses to prepare us for a global government or new world order of the sorts. The evidence I have seen indicates something is up with the government, but the evidence that plane impacted outweighs in my opinion the evidence that no plane hit.

Do you not think my immediate reaction when I first heard about this stuff was not to try and call bull****? I had just served my government, you think that I'd just CHOOSE to believe that they'd have any part in this? I'm sick of hearing anyone questioning the official story being called crazy, while you guys repeat the same tired crap without taking an honest look at the other possibilities. There are so many more things beside the few that have been brought up in these threads that screams something is not right. Such as our countries air defenses. Over a hundred times a year there are alerts that have resulted in fighters being scrambled, yet on this day they were just too slow in responding. I have seen with my own eyes, an f-18 scrambled to lorain ohio in response to a pilot who was out of it from coplications from diabetes. The guy almost flew a cessna into city hall. Within 20 minutes or so, an f-18 was shadowing the guy( circling him flying damn near verticle due to the slow speed). But losing contact with multiple passenger airliners doesn't warrant the same response? If it looks like bull****, smells like bull****, .....I would love to be able to trust my government the way some of you guys do.

Honestly, I'm sorry for even adding to the fire with that. Nothing new is being said here, and peoples minds are made up, so it's kinda pointless. I can respect a different opinion than mine no problem, and I won't even bust out the crazy jokes.

like noted above something was going on, why didn't he react right away? to me he reacted in a way that he had knowledge of the events unfolding, otherwise it was really irresponsible for him not to react swifter because to me within a hour of the events I thought it was a russian or chinese command and control decapition strike, they didnt know that a huge army couldve follwed given a succesful destruction of white house or the capitol. Or many other countless reasons for him not to have stayed in a school, he is the leader of a country of hundreds of millions and chose not to react to a potential act of war not seen in decades for fear of "scaring children".:wtf:

 

[SHADOW2492]

Wow that's great. There are also lots of experts who say the exact opposite of what you said. That's why I said this is pointless. BTW- no you're right I know nothing of physics or engineering. In fact I can't even tie my own shoes. I just sit around all day in my underwear drooling on my belly making up conspiracy theories.

I made a post above this one in case you didnt notice it.
I'm not trying to paint you as a idiot here, I am just saying people I know have done architecture and engineering and I have read some data on this also.All say that buildings this large are designed to pancake given a catastrophic failure of structure to lessen physical damage to surroundings.

 

[jarhead]

Ok you seem to be nice and I may have been a bit hard on you, so I will compromise here. I can see what you mean about it breaking off, but given a straight enough impact the thing will act just like a arrow or knife. I actually have many conspiracy theories regarding 9/11. the one I cannot believe though is the no plane hit the pentagon one, because what I have seen tells me it is the truth( a plane did hit is what i meant by truth) and the fact that many people died supposedly in that plane and is disrespectful of the dead to deny that. Some of my conspiracy theories were along the lines that either they actually knew bin laden was going to do it did nothing, or it was US behind it and remotely guided planes into the targets to justify future plans for expansion of the military industrial complex and its future wars. or that even Russia and the US are creating terrorism as a weapon to control the masses to prepare us for a global government or new world order of the sorts. The evidence I have seen indicates something is up with the government, but the evidence that plane impacted outweighs in my opinion the evidence that no plane hit.

like noted above something was going on, why didn't he react right away? to me he reacted in a way that he had knowledge of the events unfolding, otherwise it was really irresponsible for him not to react swifter because to me within a hour of the events I thought it was a russian or chinese command and control decapition strike, they didnt know that a huge army couldve follwed given a succesful destruction of white house or the capitol. Or many other countless reasons for him not to have stayed in a school, he is the leader of a country of hundreds of millions and chose not to react to a potential act of war not seen in decades for fear of "scaring children".:wtf:

Hey I was getting heated too, no problem. You do make educated points, and I can respect that we just look at things differently.

As far the last part of what you said- Great point. This has always bugged me. Leaving out any conspiracy crap altogether, If I was the pres, I would have ****canned the secret servicemen who were on duty that day. He was at a widely publicized appearance, and they had word that targets had been hit. They should have assumed he would be a possible target and rushed him away.

 

[jarhead]

I made a post above this one in case you didnt notice it.
I'm not trying to paint you as a idiot here, I am just saying people I know have done architecture and engineering and I have read some data on this also.All say that buildings this large are designed to pancake given a catastrophic failure of structure to lessen physical damage to surroundings.

Hehe, I have a tendency to be sarcastic at times. ( although I do drool on my belly occasionally)

 

[MaynardMeek]

That school was the safest place in America at that time.. They prep a location weeks in advance before a president arrives... they made the right choice in this case...

 

[SHADOW2492]

Hey I was getting heated too, no problem. You do make educated points, and I can respect that we just look at things differently.

As far the last part of what you said- Great point. This has always bugged me. Leaving out any conspiracy crap altogether, If I was the pres, I would have ****canned the secret servicemen who were on duty that day. He was at a widely publicized appearance, and they had word that targets had been hit. They should have assumed he would be a possible target and rushed him away.

Yes when being the protector of 280-350 million odd people, always assume the worst. What would've happened if it was followed by a act of real war, and the military was at a stand still, the second they knew it was attack the military should have been on full alert and readiness. And bush shouldve been at command and control not reading school children books as admirable as it is.

PS if that is you in the avvy, you are rock solid, glad were not arguing in person LOL:icon_lol:

 

[BioHazzard]

6465/6400 avionics, and also crosstrained in 7000/51 aircraft firefighting/airfield services.

Oh and I was a trained killer. j/k

Every Marine a rifleman. Semper Fi. Thanks for serving the republic.

 

[jarhead]

That school was the safest place in America at that time.. They prep a location weeks in advance before a president arrives... they made the right choice in this case...

Ok but (and again leaving conspiracy stuff out completely) it was not safe enough to withstand an airliner. Regardles, there job is to remove him to safety in the event of a threat like that. I would have to disagree that they made the right choice.

 

[jarhead]

Every Marine a rifleman. Semper Fi. Thanks for serving the republic.

Best thing i ever did , but I'd never do it again!

 

[MaynardMeek]

The ONE thing i will agree on is that every target can be, in some way, looked upon as a military target.. these people didn't want to kill children .. infact that is the oppsite of what right wing islam wants.. so the school is safe. To bring the president out in the open would have been the wrong move. Also the school did not have a very good "shelter" sort of area... keeping him where he was, at the time, was the safest. But if he were to have kept himself there for 40 min or more, no that could be bad.. but they did it correctly.. by the book actually


EDIT/// leaving all the what if theories out.. it is still the most correct action to take.. the job of the secret service is to protect the president by removing him from the location of danger... he was already out of danger and it would have been putting him in danger just by stepping out of that school door without having some sort of understanding of the situation

 

[jarhead]

PS if that is you in the avvy, you are rock solid, glad were not arguing in person LOL:icon_lol:

Yeah that's me, but i wouldn't get mad over stuff like this. I'm a lover not a fighter. lol

 

[MaynardMeek]

oh please.. i heard that Jarhead was discharged from the Corps because he would refuse to take the rainbow sticker from his uniform....


total hear say but til i am proven wrong i am sticking to it like Dan Rather and that new guy who made up the Phone records story!! :run:

 

[Irish480]

I saw this airplane coming, heading straight down toward the ground. It was an American Airlines airplane, I could see it very clearly.

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"It was a passenger plane. I think an American Airways plane,"

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''I thought, 'This isn't really happening. That is a big plane.'

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There was a commercial airliner that said American Airliners over the side of it flying at just above treetop height

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It was an American airlines airliner. I

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I remember recognizing it as an American Airlines plane -- I could see the windows and the color stripes. And I remember thinking that it was just like planes in which I had flown many times but at that point it never occurred to me that this might be a plane with passengers

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"We saw the big American Airlines plane and started running."

wow, more than I thought there would be

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About two minutes later one of my guys pointed to an American Airlines airplane 20 feet high over Washington Blvd

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The aircraft, looking to be either a 757 or Airbus

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"I saw this very, very large passenger jet,"

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I read American Airlines on it

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I braked, looked out my left window and saw a large commercial aircraft aiming for the Pentagon

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I saw this large American Airlines passenger jet coming in fast and low

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he saw an American Airlines jet swooping in, its wings wobbly

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I saw a big jet flying close to the building coming at full speed

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I saw a very low-flying American Airlines plane that seemed to be accelerating

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Middleton looked up and spotted a commercial jet whose pilot seemed to be fighting with his own craft.

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I looked out to the front and saw, coming straight down the road at us, a huge jet plane clearly with American Airlines written on it, and it looked like it was coming in to hit us.

Whew, that's a lot, only half way through it now

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The plane had a silver body with red and blue stripes down the fuselage. I believed at the time that it belonged to American Airlines

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A silver, twin-engine American Airlines jetliner

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Then I looked up to my left and saw an American Airlines jet flying right at me.

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this silver plane; I immediately recognized it as an American Airlines jet

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I was close enough (about 100 feet or so) that I could see the "American Airlines" logo on the tail as it headed towards the building... I clearly saw the "AA" logo with the eagle in the middle... It was definitely an American Airlines jet

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The sight of the 757 diving in

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I see an American Airlines plane, silver plane, I could see AA on the tail... In my head I have ingrained forever this image of every detail of that plane. It was a silver plane, American Airlines plane, and I recognized it immediately as a passenger plane.

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He looked up to see a passenger plane with the trademark stainless-steel fuselage and stripes of American Airlines

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there was a sonic boom, and looking straight ahead there was a jet, what looked to be an American Airlines jet, probably a 757, and it came screaming across the highway.

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FRANKEN: What can you tell us about the plane itself?

TIMMERMAN: It was a Boeing 757, American Airlines, no question.

FRANKEN: You say that it was a Boeing, and you say it was a 757 or 767?

TIMMERMAN: 7-5-7.

FRANKEN: 757, which, of course...

TIMMERMAN: American Airlines.

FRANKEN: American Airlines, one of the new generation of jets.

TIMMERMAN: Right. It was so close to me it was like looking out my window and looking at a helicopter. It was just right there.

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"We have had a commercial carrier crash into the west side of the Pentagon at the heliport, Washington Boulevard side. The crew is OK. The airplane was a 757 Boeing or a 320 Airbus."

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I saw this plane, this jet, an American Airlines jet

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It was an American Airlines jet. And I watched it go into the building. I saw the big 'AA' on the side

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I look up, it looks like a silver American Airlines

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it was an American Airlines plane

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It was a good size jet aircraft.

Now that's a lot of people saying it was American Airlines (or a large jet)

I've also seen 4 reports of a supposed C-130 flying over. Why the **** would we fly a CARGO plane over?

and THIS is why :

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A C-130 cargo plane had departed Andrews Air Force Base en route to Minnesota that morning and reported seeing an airliner heading into Washington "at an unusual angle," said Lt. Col. Kenneth McClellan, a Pentagon spokesman. Air-traffic control officials instructed the propeller-powered cargo plane "to let us know where it's going," McClellan said. But, he said, there was no attempt to intercept the hijacked airliner. "A C-130 obviously goes slower than a jet," McClellan said. "There was no way he was going to intercept anything." The C-130 pilot "followed the aircraft and reported it was heading into the Pentagon," he said. "He saw it crash into the building. He saw the fireball."


Only 4 reports saying it was a turboprop (Small commuter jet) Funny thing though, American Airline turboprops say American Connection, not American Airlines. (All four reports never specified any writing)

Only 1 report of it being a missile, of course this report only HEARD the plane, never saw it. I never knew American Airlines made missiles

Here is a nice eyewitness quote to finish 'er up

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As I came up along the Pentagon I saw helicopters. That's not strange. It's the Pentagon. Then I saw the plane. There were only a few cars on the road, we all stopped. I know I wanted to believe that plane was making a low descent into National Airport, but it was nearly on the road. And it was headed straight for the building. It made no sense. The pilot didn't seem to be planning to pull up anytime soon. It was there. A huge jet. Then it was gone. A massive hole in the side of the Pentagon gushed smoke. The noise was beyond description. ... I called my boss. I had no memory of how to work my cellphone. I hit redial and his number came up. "Something hit the Pentagon. It must have been a helicopter." I knew that wasn't true, but I heard myself say it. I heard myself believe it, if only for a minute. "Buildings don't eat planes. That plane, it just vanished. There should have been parts on the ground. It should have rained parts on my car. The airplane didn't crash. Where are the parts?" That's the conversation I had with myself on the way to work. It made sense this morning. I swear that it did. ... There seems to be no footage of the crash, only the site. The gash in the building looks so small on TV. The massiveness of the structure lost in the tight shots of the fire. There was a plane. It didn't go over the building. It went into the building. I want them to find it whole, wedged between floors or something. I know that isn't going to happen, but right now I pretend. I want to see footage of the crash. I want to make it make sense. I want to know why there's this gap in my memory, this gap that makes it seem as though the plane simply became invisible and banked up at the very last minute, but I don't think that's going to happen.

 

[jarhead]

oh please.. i heard that Jarhead was discharged from the Corps because he would refuse to take the rainbow sticker from his uniform....


total hear say but til i am proven wrong i am sticking to it like Dan Rather and that new guy who made up the Phone records story!! :run:

It wasn't so much the rainbow as it was the fact I dyed all my uniforms pink. Not good camo as it turns out...lol

 

[SHADOW2492]

It wasn't so much the rainbow as it was the fact I dyed all my uniforms pink. Not good camo as it turns out...lol

This man is NOT gay.
I left you a comment :icon_lol:

ps is there anyway around the paying method to get PM's anyone know?

 

[MaynardMeek]

nah.. we gotta pay the man to PM the man.. but you can sorta PM people.. just say HEY DON'T READ THIS!!!! as the thread...i don't know.. i still dont have a cell phone..





jk

Thats cool Jarhead.. we must keep you around for when we invaid Mars for some sand (even though it is why we are in iraq, big beach front projects here in the states needs lots of sand).. . the pink will come in handy depending on red it is. Just please don't wear the daisy duke BDU's anymore.. you made jesus cry

 

[MaynardMeek]

THis might be fun to look at

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in the first frame you can see the tail of the aircraft right over that guard post err thing there... on the right hand side...

 

[Vitruvian]

Go back and read my long winded post, you must not be looking hard enough because there are pictures of plane engines floating around on the net. Your post is very insightful and chalk full of facts. I may think the goverment is not fully truthful in this matter, but it is wholeheartedly ridiculous to think no planes were involved in either WTC , Pentagon, or even the Pensalvania field.

It's a good thing we can all have our own beliefs
Review the pics of the Pentagon please..... explain to me why all the office equipment, etc in the rooms that were hit was not burnt. Also note the aerial views, and explain where the plane pieces disappeard to. The damage 1. could be from the fuselage of a plane, not denying that, but that would require the wings to be laying outside the Pentagon. Where'd they go??? Oh, and where is the plane wreckage?

Regardless, I respect you guys and your beliefs, so it's all irrelevant. Nothing we'll ever find out the truth of anyways. And if that's Jarhead in his avatar, I just don't think he'd be the kinda guy to sport some pink or rainbow camo.

 

[MaynardMeek]

most pictures are taken after the fact during the evaluation and removal period.. one may see some office stuff because it was put there.. i am sure if you took some closer looks at it, they would be ruined... so .. you throw it into the larg pile that is going to be ended up in the land fill anyway...

There are plenty of plane parts still around.. but one would think the wings would still be around.. but then again heat does some interesting things


* A single explosion powerful enough to shred the ends of the wings and tail would probably blow apart the central portions of the aircraft, preventing much of it from entering the building, and leaving seats, luggage, and bodies scattered on the lawn.
* Such an explosion, and the shallow approach of the jet itself, is difficult to reconcile with the large cable spool standing upright near the building after the crash.
* Several features of the damage to the building, such as the C-ring punch-out hole and the large number of columns destroyed deep inside the building, appear inconsistent with damage caused by the remains of a jetliner destroyed by an explosion just before impact.
* Eyewitness accounts, while supporting the idea that the wings exploded, do not support the idea that the entire plane exploded.

 

[JonesersRX7]

I have gone back and forth on the conspiracy theories but do believe a plan hit the Pentagon and of course the WTC... I had never heard that blue screen theory - what idiots.

What I do find funny is that alot of you haven't brought up things like the Puts/Shorts on AA and then also the owner of the WTC 1,2 and 7 buildings putting 7 billion in insurance on the buildings a month or so prior.

I had never heard that the pilot that was on the plane that hit the Pentagon had years prior worked for the Pentagon and did test scenarios about crashing a plane into it. Was that Loose Change video correct in saying this?

What about the bomb sniffing dogs being removed a couple of days prior to 9/11? It's those things that will always have me doubting.

 

[MaynardMeek]

You can find so many things that can make anyone think anything.

I cant really answer anything regarding the dogs or the pilot but as for the insurance... there are some people that put millions of insurance on body parts.. it does not shock me that insurance of that amount was placed on the most buisness oriented buildings in one of the most buisness city in the united states... it would be stupid not to have it

 

[JonesersRX7]

You can find so many things that can make anyone think anything.

I cant really answer anything regarding the dogs or the pilot but as for the insurance... there are some people that put millions of insurance on body parts.. it does not shock me that insurance of that amount was placed on the most buisness oriented buildings in one of the most buisness city in the united states... it would be stupid not to have it

Sorry... edited post. Of course insurance makes sense... but to increase a month or so prior?

 

[MaynardMeek]

well i bought into more car insurance just before i got into my accident.. actually it was 3 days before my accident... sometimes things just work out.. obviously my million $$ auto policy is not anything near to the price of the center...

 

[Ronin13]

I just read this and have to say you are a pretty funny guy in a silly sort of way. You just show your maturity by implying that I am bull headed and suggest that I am afraid to be proven wrong. I could easily turn around and say the same about you but I don't think that is the answer here. Take the panties out of your azz and relax buddy. If you knew me better, maybe you could question my logic but I reserve that right for someone I am sleeping with.

I currently do not work with any gov't agency as I have washed my hands of such involvement and have chosen a new profession to pay the bills... which by the way pays nearly five times more than what I would have maxed out in the gov't rankings.

If you have so much time on your hands to ponder my intelligence, go read a book about the CIA. I could recommend a few but considering you are implying your are more intelligent than I am you should find them just fine. Anyway, you will find that the gov't f's things up on a daily basis and the truth sometimes takes years to surface... ever hear about the Bay of Pigs?

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There are at least 10+ pictures of debris here that conspiracy sites fail to post. Landing gear, the diffusor of the compressor,and a tire and Rim that are the exact same size and shape and ahve same pattern in the rim as a 757. and the rubber has exact same tread pattern as 757 tire.
Of course you dont see a shred of evidence because you are bull headed and refuse to view anything that might prove you wrong. Its hard to see flaws in your argument if you close your eyes when presented them. If you read my earlier post, and had a shred of logic in you you would realize that even if the government was behind it they would still use a plane like the other attacks. I still find it hard to believe you work in the goverment and you fail to address any facts I have put forward, Do you think anyone of average intelligence or above would believe that they (government)would need 5 years to make a fake film?

 

[Ronin13]

I would like to apologize for the above post guys. I don't like doing stuff like that. Just having one of those stressful days at work.

 

[MaynardMeek]

hhe no problem.. so which post office did you work at :run:

 

[Ronin13]

Hahaha... quite a few, in various countries...

hhe no problem.. so which post office did you work at :run:

 

[jarhead]

The comedy provided in this thread is probably keeping us from being total ****s to each other. At least we all have a sense of humor despite disagreeing. Except for that maynard guy. He's a douche.

 

[MaynardMeek]

hey! i am what i eat!