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Denocon

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Help me out please, i have taken an epistane cycle and now im on pct tamoxifen running 20/20/10/10. it is day 19 and six days ago I developed horrible mouth sores in my mouth and very enflamed gums, I believe it is from the tamoxifen tablets. The symptoms are getting worse and they have been so bad i cannot eat anything due to a crazy amout of pain in my mouth and im on ibuprofen 24/7. Is it okay to stop my pct short? I am having a very rough time
 
Denocon said:
Im new to this im not sure what that means
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Im just a "Forum Bro", and in no way qualified to make a confident Dr.House-style diagnosis.

You could get bloods done, possibly buy an Aromatase Inhibitor etc etc, but to me the most pressing concern is your inability to eat. Id be doing everything practically possible to address that without taking stabs in the dark finding a cure (ie the AI route).

So, Id drop the nolva, if youre confident that is the main contributing culprit. This wont rule out high e2 due to rebound from your cycle, but I dont think the nolva will be helping in this regard.

Of course, dropping the nolva will potentialy put your HPTA recovery in jeopardy. But nigh on 3 weeks in you might be ok.

Sorry man, I personally cant see any definite "win" here, all options seem to involve a degree of possible loss. Unless someone else chimes in with a more confident assessment.
 
If you put "tamoxifen mouth ulcers" in google, it jumps right into your face.
There is a high probability that Nolva is causing this.
I personally don't think that estrogen has anything to do with it. Epistane has AI properties. His natural test production will be suppressed to a certain degree, making a case for aromatization of excess test unlikely.
 
No advise -but what I personally would do:

Stop Nolva.
Stop Ibuprofen.
Get Benzydamine 0.15% mouthwash solution.
Get Clomid and as soon as ulcers getting better, use 25mg/d for 3 weeks.

After cessation of Clomid I would take Exemestane 12.5mg eod for a week.
 
Ah, here an advise:
Before doing any cycle in future, read more about it -or ask here on AM.
You need to have certain ancillaries at hand in case something goes wrong.

Short story to entertain the Noobs reading this thread:
While on a Epistane cycle, I thought my estrogen got up. I took adex and fugged up (dehydrated) both of my knees. Now, 16 month later, I'm still rehabilitating them -and skipped an appointment for bilateral arthroscopy.
 
hairygrandpa said:
No advise -but what I personally would do:

Stop Nolva.
Stop Ibuprofen.
Get Benzydamine 0.15% mouthwash solution.
Get Clomid and as soon as ulcers getting better, use 25mg/d for 3 weeks.

After cessation of Clomid I would take Exemestane 12.5mg eod for a week.
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Hgp, luv u man, you're always on point. *If it were me* I would have exemestane on hand same time as Clomid as I've wanted to cry at an insurance commercial with the dad and kid throwing baseball, soooooo I know that even though Clomid is a serm I still think e2 can spike while on pct. So I'd have both on hand at same time and in case you get all moody and **** use 12.5 1-2x/wk to keep from turning into a moody little bitch. Other than that, dead on.

Another for the newbs-
First "cycle" ever was dbol with a touch on Winny here and there. Didn't like the Winny so ran it minimally. After 30 days of dbol at 10-20mg/day I just stopped. Began puking my brains out very early morning if second day off. One of my buddies at the time was nice enough to stop by with some Clomid tabs after about 4 days of vomiting and loosing all that water weight. At the end I was still up 8lbs and taking half a tab of Clomid once a day, of God only knows how many mg.
Lesson learned - pct is PART OF your cycle so have EVERYTHING on hand before you start a damn thing. Period. Also, do some reseaech and learn what the average doses are for your ped's And for pct compounds/ancillaries. Also, feel your body out, don't just take "this much" bc Joe blow says so. Hope somebody enjoyed my early 20's stupidity.
 
I once took 200mg clomid for a week, no sides at all, LOL! BUT a friend of mine took Toremifene for PCT. By the third week he said: "Please have a look at my right foot -and tell me what you think."
His foot was HUGE, like the foot of a Sasquatch. After reading a bit about Torem sides, the diagnose: peripheral edema as a Torem side effect.
You learn something new every day.
 
hairygrandpa said:
I once took 200mg clomid for a week, no sides at all, LOL! BUT a friend of mine took Toremifene for PCT. By the third week he said: "Please have a look at my right foot -and tell me what you think."
His foot was HUGE, like the foot of a Sasquatch. After reading a bit about Torem sides, the diagnose: peripheral edema as a Torem side effect.
You learn something new every day.
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No sides from 200mg clomid? 70mg made my nuts plump lol. I’d imagine that 200mg would overstimulate the pituitary and create more estrogen.
 
AnabolicGuru said:
No sides from 200mg clomid? 70mg made my nuts plump lol. I’d imagine that 200mg would overstimulate the pituitary and create more estrogen.
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Did 200/150/100/50, following internet advise back then. No sides whatsoever.

Here a pic of my friends "Torem-foot", after cessation of torem it went back to normal after 2 days.

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hairygrandpa said:
Did 200/150/100/50, following internet advise back then. No sides whatsoever.

Here a pic of my friends "Torem-foot", after cessation of torem it went back to normal after 2 days.

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Maybe it was underdosed? And I remember seeing older posts of people recommending those crazy dosages of clomid haha! **** was crazy man
 
AnabolicGuru said:
Maybe it was underdosed? And I remember seeing older posts of people recommending those crazy dosages of clomid haha! **** was crazy man
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Nah, here you get clomid OTC in a pharmacy. Local women buy it and then have twins, triplets -or whole armies of babies at once....crazy people. LOL
 
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