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PCT (tamoxifen)

Bfitch

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I’m having a hard time finding a good answer for this. Can you get gyno after finishing a typical 4 week pct of tamoxifen? I’m planning on running, msten/4andro (4-6 weeks) with tamoxifen as pct. I also have arimidex on hand?

Also, I have a left over bottle of rpn havoc, would it be a waste to run it with msten for 4 weeks total?
Thanks
 
Tamoxifen competes for the same receptors as estrogen in the breast tissue (among other areas in the body), so in practice it's blocking the estrogen from binding to estrogen receptros in breast tissue. But it doesn't lower estrogen levels. So if you have high E to androgen ratio and you're occupying the ER's with Tamox, you're fine for that time being, but when you discontinue the Tamox and if you still have unfavorable androgen to E ratio, the ER's becoming free for E to bind to, could create an enviroment for gyno.

I think that is the main reason people sometimes choose to 'come off' of a serm with an AI. Like weeks 1-4 serm. Weeks 3-6 AI.

The Tamox should raise your T effectively after a short cycle like that and assuming no permanent harm was done to HPTA, so I'd think it to be farely rare to have your androgen to E ratio that bad after Tamox pct, but tough to know for sure without bloodwork.

So either draw bloods, or take the AI just in case, but don't go overboard and crush your E (again a bit difficult without BW or decent amount of experience), or just do the Tamox and monitor possible symptoms.

FWIW I've done Tamox pct without an AI and it went fine and I've also done Tamox pct with coming off with an AI and it went fine.
 
Awesome reply thank you! So if I feel the need to start arimidex mid cycle due to symptoms, what would be the protocol for finishing the cycle? Stop arimidex when I stop the PH, or continue arimidex all the way through pct?
 
It's unlikely, that you'll need and AI with Msten+4-Andro, but allways good to have an AI on hand, so cudos on that. Many like to just take a dose or two of the AI and dose again only, if symptoms don't go away or reappear. I think I'd personally stop, when the use of 4-Andro discontinues, at the latest. After discintinuing the 4-Andro you'll be suppressed and don't have much of anything, that converts to E. It's when your system is starting back up again on pct, when you might produce too much E compared to androgens, when your body is 'in a hurry' to get levels back up.

That is at least how I see it. Disclaimer: No medical background.
 
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