PCT needing fine tuning..

bodysculpt

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Hey Guys,

Last time i did PCT I used Nolva 40/40/20/20 (and adex on cycle) after a 6 week Test Prop/Var cycle, during PCT I Lost a lot of weight/libido and was feeling low. this didnt really come right until after my sixth weeks after my cycle began.

so im guessing Nolva wasnt enough and also I really dont think i handle PCT very well at all..:whiner:

so this time round my PCT as well as cycle looks like this so far, there's no real science behind my logic i just mainly copied others, i.e the Inverse SERM AI theory. i went from adex to aromasin only cos aromasins expesive and i also needed to use my adex up.

would it be wise to extend PCT to 6 weeks as below?

week 1 Test Prop 150mcg EOD
Weeks 1-11 Test E 600mcg
Weeks 1-2 Deca 600mcg
Weeks 3-10 Deca 400mcg
Weeks 2-11 HCG 250ui Wed & Sundays
Weeks 1-13 Adex 0.5mg EOD
Weeks 14-18 Aromasin 12.5/12.5/12.5/12.5/25
Weeks 13-18 Toremifine 120/90/60/30/30/30

what i really need to know, is there anything else that can help me thru PCT physically and mentally?

Ive looked at PS, not going to try IGF-1 this time and dont see the logic in using DHEA for PCT either.. Ive seen a few other ancillaries used such as creatine, fenugreek etc..

hopefully PCT will work great this time round and i'll keep most gains but just to be on the safe side i'd like try one other product that'll help "get me thru it" that has an anabolic type effect but isnt anabolic...?

is there anything else that could be added to the PCT to assist in a smooth run?

any ideas?

Thanks in advance guys :D
 
PCT looks very good. I think you'll be pleased with that stack. The HCG and Torem will have you feeling waaaay better than Nolva alone.

I doubt you'll need anything more but if you still feel a bit down try one of the mBEAT products like Restore. It really helps to keep the fat off and seems to amplify pumps and wo intensity. Torm at the higher doses gives me a hellacious pump in the gym.
 
Thanks BioMan, yup I'll be stoked if PCT is a quick road to recovery this time. will give me the confidence to do another cycle, successfully.

The Restore looks good Ive only found the Alri Restore on NPlanet so far.. is it more or less one and the same as mBEAT?
 
Im going to destroy my Visa Card...

Hey :)

I had a weak moment and purchased Alri Restore and Retain also 1kg Ascorbic Acid (Vit C) and 100000iu Vit E .. i dont want to imagine how much ive spent in total now!

reason being.. Im paranoid bout shut down as i have to confess that Im taking Anti depressants.. (cetalapram ceratonin re uptake inhibitors or something like that) so i really have to keep reminding myself that its just the PCT that Im experiencing... I also hear Deca can shut you down hard..

it's really important that i make a quick recovery, keep my gains and stay mentally dialed in and positive.

So in summary, is adding the above products to PCT an overkill?

Thanks again :)
 
Restore and Retain are great. You likely will not need any adex but keep it on hand. You don't want to pound down your E levels to much or they will rebound later and be hard to level out.

I usually dose low on Restore or Rebound Reloaded at first and just see how much water I lose. If I dose at 3 caps then I tend to get too dry and lose libido..but it's a highly individual thing that you may want to play by ear, so to speak.

Deca can be very tough to recover from. Even if your T levels come back, Nandrolone tends to cling to the AR for long periods of time so libido may take awhile to come back...but do not despair..it will.
 
Thanks again Bioman, where in the On/Post cycle do you suggest i should use them? I was just going to use them in PCT, unless you'd have a better suggestion?
 
thought instead of creating a new thread Id liven this one up as its relevant and has some cycle history. the catch is im about to disclose some sensitive info, ive read some pretty personal posts in the past by others so what the hell, its all anonymous i guess. and its very relevant to PCT. so here we go! I emailed Dr D btw but Im sure hes a busy man so in the meantime im posting.. :-|


I'll try to sum this up as much as I can. When I was in my early 20's I tried to lift a friends car and for some reason I got a right testicle infection from it and lost that testicle! End of story history, no biggie I thought at the time.

Ok, so I’ve done a few cycles, like maybe 6, ok the first two or three were pretty uneducated without a good PCT if any, so I lost all gains BUT I did eventually bounce back.

Since then I’ve run an AI if needs be, I have tried straight nolva protocol / Toremifene / Clomid Nolva, also swales HCG protocol. I know when to come off long or short esters. Still an amateur with gear but know the cycle fundementals more or less. Using Test base etc.

Ok, so the problem I have always encountered is that I just don’t bounce back quick enough, i.e. Id been better off not to go ON at all... :-s my teste seems to atrophy on about the 4th to 5th week, I tried 500iu HCG still no change, i think i even shot 1000iu for this last cycle...

I’m now reading up on Naltrexone which sounds promising, it’s just that no PCT seems to work, period! Ok so maybe the real answer I don’t want to know i.e. stay away from gear...

my last cycle (cutting) was Test Prop 100 EOD with tbol 70mg 8 weeks (which tests showed it gave me elevated AST ALT liver enzymes/pain btw) when I started clomid/nolva I started getting the pain so a bit confused at to which one caused it (ive been told it was unlikely clomid/nolva tho) so I dropped clomid/nolva with one week of missed PCT then went into Toremifene now I’m at 2 weeks, no size gained back on testicle yet but I think that’s normal.

test levels were in the low normal range pre cycle

so what do you guys think? is it simply because of the *cough* one testicle issue..?

anyway sorry for the blurb..
 
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