PCT. Hcg and enclo.

117codyawebb

117codyawebb

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Going to start pct in a few months and have a plan of how I’m going to go about it but I would like the opinions of several other users with experience in this field and get there opinions to aid me on my final decision.

Short briefing

Have been on testosterone for about 8 months.
600mg of sustanon a week
Started taking 25mg of dbol daily 2 weeks ago and will continue this for another 4-6 weeks.

Once I complete taking dbol I will will taper my test down to 75-125mg of test g a week over the next few weeks and plan on taking hcg and enclo as needed. I want to spend a 2 or 3 months natural and get my body’s own system working on its own with no help doing a big detox on several things and try to get my system as clean as possible. (Personal reasons) then get back on test and work my way back up again. I just feel like my body could use the break and I would be better of doing it.

The only problem is, I do not know how long to run PCT went to start or the amount to run or if I should do run hcg and enclo together or seperate or one before the other me, I simply don’t know. know everything is going to be person dependent and I know a lot of it’s gonna be trial and air. If I could just have a couple people give me what they think I should do or what they do I will be able to tweak and adjust it for my personal needs from there. If anyone has any questions, please feel free to message me and respond on here. Thank you in advance everyone
 
1. You do not want to taper down your sustanon, it already has a 15+ day half life in 1 of the esters and it takes five half-lives for a drug to leave your system. Which means it could take 75+ days for sustanon to clear out. So as you continue to taper down you're just making it longer and longer and longer for the drug to leave your system which means your post Cycle therapy isn't going to work because you're still going to be on testosterone while doing it.

2. PCT. In your position I would stop taking the testosterone about 4 weeks before you stop taking the D-bol. That will let me decent amount of the testosterone to start leaving your system. The day after your last dose of dbol I would start 500iu of HCG - Every Other Day. Then I would start enclomphine as I'm finishing HCG. Enclo at 12.5 h 25mg daily for a additional 4 weeks. I would take about 6-8 weeks off after PCT too.
 
So stop taking test 4 weeks before last dose of dbol

Day after last dose of dbol start hcg at
500iu EOD

Finish hcg bottle

Start encl at 12.5 mg every 12 hrs?

Run enclo for 4 weeks

Then stay off everything for an additional 2 months?

is 500 iu of hcg and 25mg of enclo pretty standard? What are signs that I’m taking to much them? Is there anything I should be looking for or warning signs? Or is pretty safe too run this stuff and to not worry about anything.
 
enclo 1x a day is perfectly fine and if your getting any side effects from enclo and HCG at these doses then you're probably not going to be able to run them at any doses so it won't really matter. You're probably going to get a little high estrogen and be a little moody or emotional but I wouldn't call those side effects because it happens to pretty much everybody. I would just call those the effects. if you get high estrogen symptoms on HCG you can run a little bit of an AI, and if you get moody or sad on enclo then you're just one of those people that's going to react that way no matter what your dose is. Now to be fair that's more a side effect from clomid, enclo tends to be more forgiving for some people, but again if you end up being one of those people who still gets the effects I guess you could switch to nolvadex at 20-40mg as an alternative, but lowering the dose of enclo probably won't be helpful in one way or another.

PCT sucks for the large majority of people, I didn't actually even need to go on trt when I did, I did it because I knew I wanted to start running cycles again and I didn't want to deal with post psychotherapy and I feel like the ups and downs of going on and off are worse than just going from a cycle back to HRT/TRT
 
My standard pct was 1500iu hcg 3x week one. week two 1000iu 3x,then 500x3,500x3. And clomid at 40ed,for 3 weeks then 20 for another 2, but I always stayed on for only 12-14 weeks .
 
Smokey8766 said:
My standard pct was 1500iu hcg 3x week one. week two 1000iu 3x,then 500x3,500x3. And clomid at 40ed,for 3 weeks then 20 for another 2, but I always stayed on for only 12-14 weeks .
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I personally just want too be clean for awhile and start fresh no other sign can’t reason other that just giving my body a break from test and giving my nads a reason to work how they need to. I’d like to hcg and enclo as low as possible just for the old saying that less is more. If these numbers are pretty standard that’s what I will stick with, or if I can get same results from 250 iu of hcg and 15mg of enclo I would do that (this is all just hypothetical numbers so you understand what I’m trying to get at)

Okay I’ll go this route and see what needs to be done when the time comes. I have adex on hand that’s been working while I was just running test. I was only needing to take .25 mg 1 or 2 times a week and it kept my gyno knots concealed completely. Taking the dbol I’ve had to increase the dosage and frequency a little bit more. I haven’t gotten a lot of the side effects from it like most people say they experienced other that my nuts atrophying more than normal. (Another reason why I wanted to get clean for a little bit.

I understand that in doing so I will loose some of muscle I’ve achieved in the body instant going to want to hold onto it when I get off but does pct help with this? What methods and steps can I take to help me keep as much of my gains as possible?
 
117codyawebb said:
I personally just want too be clean for awhile and start fresh no other sign can’t reason other that just giving my body a break from test and giving my nads a reason to work how they need to. I’d like to hcg and enclo as low as possible just for the old saying that less is more. If these numbers are pretty standard that’s what I will stick with, or if I can get same results from 250 iu of hcg and 15mg of enclo I would do that (this is all just hypothetical numbers so you understand what I’m trying to get at)

Okay I’ll go this route and see what needs to be done when the time comes. I have adex on hand that’s been working while I was just running test. I was only needing to take .25 mg 1 or 2 times a week and it kept my gyno knots concealed completely. Taking the dbol I’ve had to increase the dosage and frequency a little bit more. I haven’t gotten a lot of the side effects from it like most people say they experienced other that my nuts atrophying more than normal. (Another reason why I wanted to get clean for a little bit.

I understand that in doing so I will loose some of muscle I’ve achieved in the body instant going to want to hold onto it when I get off but does pct help with this? What methods and steps can I take to help me keep as much of my gains as possible?
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Yeah I always run hcg year round for atrophy and libido.its a good safe drug. But I think to cycle on and off is best bro.im older now and started trt at 42yrs. But to keep most gains I would train my ass off still and try to get my weight back up till I plateau and go back on but for me I would sometimes wait a year plus in between blasts so I would have a great cycle again.
 
Less is more doesn't really apply here. With HCG there are studies that show frequency may be more important then dose, so I can maybe see doing 125 daily, I guess you could do that and run enclomphine at 12.5mg daily and play it by ear.

I'm a little confused how 8 months on 600mg test and 4-6 weeks on dbol wasn't a worry but we're nervous about using a couple fertility drugs for 4-6 weeks. Yes serms have side effects but so does everything.

You could always run no PCT at all and wait it out. Most ppl will recover. Over the years the internet's kind of made people think that if you run a cycle and don't run PCT you're going to be f***** for the rest of your life, but like I think after 6 months there's studies that have shown with or without postcycle therapy things return to baseline. I personally wouldn't want to wait up to 6 months though. The lower you go with the HCG and the enchloma theme the longer your PCT is going to last so you should probably get in there with dosages that are going to get things working as fast as possible.

Also I'm not disagreeing with the protocol that the other guy does either, yes 10 people you might get 10 different answers and all of them could work or none of them could work, it's pretty person to person on how PCT effects them.

Something else that a lot of people screw up is trying to go on a cut during post Cycle therapy, and that's about bad idea, because when you have a low calorie environment you don't recover as fast. Another good tip that often gets overlooked is Vitamin D3, when you're on Cycle your body depletes vitamin D by speeding up the breakdown of it. So vitamin d tends to be low after a long cycle. I like to add 10-15,000iu daily when I first drop back to trt, I tell ppl to do it in PCT too. Vitamin D3 levels are very important for testosterone production
 
Smont said:
Less is more doesn't really apply here. With HCG there are studies that show frequency may be more important then dose, so I can maybe see doing 125 daily, I guess you could do that and run enclomphine at 12.5mg daily and play it by ear.

I'm a little confused how 8 months on 600mg test and 4-6 weeks on dbol wasn't a worry but we're nervous about using a couple fertility drugs for 4-6 weeks. Yes serms have side effects but so does everything.

You could always run no PCT at all and wait it out. Most ppl will recover. Over the years the internet's kind of made people think that if you run a cycle and don't run PCT you're going to be f***** for the rest of your life, but like I think after 6 months there's studies that have shown with or without postcycle therapy things return to baseline. I personally wouldn't want to wait up to 6 months though. The lower you go with the HCG and the enchloma theme the longer your PCT is going to last so you should probably get in there with dosages that are going to get things working as fast as possible.

Also I'm not disagreeing with the protocol that the other guy does either, yes 10 people you might get 10 different answers and all of them could work or none of them could work, it's pretty person to person on how PCT effects them.

Something else that a lot of people screw up is trying to go on a cut during post Cycle therapy, and that's about bad idea, because when you have a low calorie environment you don't recover as fast. Another good tip that often gets overlooked is Vitamin D3, when you're on Cycle your body depletes vitamin D by speeding up the breakdown of it. So vitamin d tends to be low after a long cycle. I like to add 10-15,000iu daily when I first drop back to trt, I tell ppl to do it in PCT too. Vitamin D3 levels are very important for testosterone
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Smont said:
Less is more doesn't really apply here. With HCG there are studies that show frequency may be more important then dose, so I can maybe see doing 125 daily, I guess you could do that and run enclomphine at 12.5mg daily and play it by ear.

I'm a little confused how 8 months on 600mg test and 4-6 weeks on dbol wasn't a worry but we're nervous about using a couple fertility drugs for 4-6 weeks. Yes serms have side effects but so does everything.

You could always run no PCT at all and wait it out. Most ppl will recover. Over the years the internet's kind of made people think that if you run a cycle and don't run PCT you're going to be f***** for the rest of your life, but like I think after 6 months there's studies that have shown with or without postcycle therapy things return to baseline. I personally wouldn't want to wait up to 6 months though. The lower you go with the HCG and the enchloma theme the longer your PCT is going to last so you should probably get in there with dosages that are going to get things working as fast as possible.

Also I'm not disagreeing with the protocol that the other guy does either, yes 10 people you might get 10 different answers and all of them could work or none of them could work, it's pretty person to person on how PCT effects them.

Something else that a lot of people screw up is trying to go on a cut during post Cycle therapy, and that's about bad idea, because when you have a low calorie environment you don't recover as fast. Another good tip that often gets overlooked is Vitamin D3, when you're on Cycle your body depletes vitamin D by speeding up the breakdown of it. So vitamin d tends to be low after a long cycle. I like to add 10-15,000iu daily when I first drop back to trt, I tell ppl to do it in PCT too. Vitamin D3 levels are very important for testosterone production
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let me clarify that I’ve been running 600 mg for the past 3 months before that I was running test E at 100mg a week.
3 months in the begging at test E - sus
250-350 mg a week
2 months at test E 100 mg a week
3 months this go around sus at 300-600mg a week

Dbol Ik was going to be a experiment but knew enough about the pros and cons through research and having basic esters under my belt wanted to try the orals also other people account that I was willing to take the risk and finishing up week 4 soon I don’t have regrets.

Hcg and enclo I have never ran and am curious to other people’s experience. Definitely gonna run them but wanted to know more about them anyway.

Also thank you helps out a lot gives me insite on what I will plan on doing j appreciate it a lot guys
 
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