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PCT for low dose M-DROL Cycle

Nothingman

Nothingman

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Hey All,

5'7" 168lb 30's bf 12%ish

I am planning a low dose M-Drol cycle and I need some guidance on the test booster part of my PCT.
I'll be running M-DROL 10/10/10 possibly 5/10/10 depending on how easy it is to sperate the pill powder. (Been loading Cycle assist and Liv.52 to run for duration +2 weeks)

I am going to use Nolva for my PCT. is 20/20/10/10 to hi for my low dose M-Drol cycle?
AI Test Booster, Ok so here is where I get a little confused, I have been reading to add a test booster in the 3rd week of PCT then taper it down. So all in all my cycle will be 9 weeks?
Mdrol 3 weeks
PCT 4
Test Booster adding 2 more weeks to my pct?
Do I want an AI? Or does this run the risk of estrogen rebound after? I want to keep gains but I'm not exactly sure how to incorperate the T booster in.

I need some guidance here I have been reading for a couple weeks and accumulating all my gear at the same time.
Im trying to get this cycle set up for July/August.
Any suggestions or criticisms welcome.
 
Well you know there is already a thread on low dose M-drol dosing. I think they discuss PCTs in there also but I may be wrong.

This is a good question. You may want to lower the Nolva dose and the Mdrol dose try do a 5/5/5/5 cycle. Your prob looking at about an 8lb increase this way. Not to mention a lot less sides.

Where u still able to find a reliable retailer for Mdrol? Im just wondering if you were still able to find it online...
 
Yeah I gvot the M-drol and some H-Drol from a couple different places.
Ok I was thinking 5/5/5 but it will be a pain splitting the pills up. But I like this advice so I might go fo it. I saw the other thread on low dose m-drol, he did 5/5/5 as well.
Any ideas on how to incorporate my test booster?
 
Well here some what I've come up with so far....

Week 1: nolva 20mgs for the first couple of days then to 10mgs.
Week 2: nolva 10mgs, add Testbooster, add Cortisol blocker if you want
Week 3: nolva 10mgs, test booser, cort control
Week 4: nolva 5mgs, test booster, Start AI
Week 5 to 6: tapper down the AI.

Make sure to preload a bit on Cycle Assist. So in other words start the Test Booster mid 2nd week or so. You wont really need much for this cycle except for cylce assist, test booster and Nolva. For a 5-5-5 I doubt you'll need an AI...

Check out TestDrive on Nutraplanet, they have this crazy special on it.

I'm actually thinking about doing somthing like this soon. So Im in the market for some SD/Mdrol just dont want to buy it from some sketchy site. Would you mind PMing me with details on the SERM and Mdrol? Thanks bud.

Hope this goes well for you Im deffinitely wanting to see how this works out for u. Im also around 168lb and around 10% BF.
 
I think with the CEL products all the stuff floating around are good items. I havent seen alot of complaints about fakes fom them. Although they stopped making it so how can there be so much floating around. Must have made alot before they bailed.
The M-drol pills are capsules, how do you feel about opening them and seperating the powder into 5mg's? I'm thinking I'll try the 5mg's for the first week if I have no sides I'll go up to 10mg 5/10/10. But I like the idea of minimal sides, man tits scare the hell out of me.
Thanks for the info on the Test Booster. I'm going o check nutra planet out right now.
Wow only 20 bucks for 60 caps. I just gotta check the dosage and see if 60 caps will get me through. I hate to sound like im cheaping out but this cycle is already 200 bucks so far.

Also on the liver note:
I have been loading cycle assist and Liv.52 Do you think this is over kill? Or is "more better" with liver care? I just dont want to void one out with the other. And I I can I would like to save some cash but not at the cost of my liver.
 
save some cash but not at the cost of my liver.
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^^Very funny. But soo true.

Cycle assist should be enough to preload on. It already has a sufficient profile to keep your liver intact. The Liv.52 isnt overkill, but it isnt really needed ontop of the Cycle Assist. Just check the profiles for both and you'll see they kinda overlap.

I know that Mdrol may have some fillers in those capsules so you might want to thoroughly mix the inside before you divide the ingredients into 5mgs dosages. Many people stick to the 10mgs since they dont want to deal with the hassle, but what the point when 10-10-10 will most likely shut you down?

The major concern when taking a Mdrol cycle is 1. shutdown, and 2. keeping your gains. Look into doing a longer cycle with lower dosages such as 5-5-5-5. This makes sure that you get a longer anabolic period in which you gain weight at a more stable rate with daily 5mgs dosages.

The testbooster I just got was the TestDrive 120 caps. The special was for $15.99!!
 
Yeah I got 2 bottles of cycle assist. I didnt get any PCT assist. I'm goin g to run cycle assist right through.
Holysh!t 15.99? wow. I'll check that out. I was wondering do I need an AI in my PCT? I was reading in some of the forum that an AI could cause rebound.
And yeah I love that idea 5/5/5/5. It would be great If I didnt experience any shutdown. It must be friken scary until it comes back lol.
I did a pah in my 20's I had no idea what it would do to me and I just took it over the counter from the gym. Can't believe I got away with it like that with no sides. Here I am 10 years later finding out all this stuff about them now.

Ok so far heres my cycle idea.
Cycle Assist RD start 2 weeks prior.
M-Drol 5/5/5/5
PCT Your suggestion
Week 1: nolva 20mgs for the first couple of days then to 10mgs.
Week 2: nolva 10mgs, add Testbooster, add Cortisol blocker (DHEA)
Week 3: nolva 10mgs, test booser, cort control (DHEA)
Week 4: nolva 5mgs, test booster, Start AI
Week 5 to 6: tapper down the AI.

As for AI I'm not sure. There are so many. I currently have a half bottle of 6OXO left because the stuff made me anxious as hell when I used it. I toughed it out for a couple weeks and stopped. I was trying it as a test booster.

I found CHRYSIN ON ebay for 10 bucks. Would this be ample or do I need something more fancy and expensive like Letro or Liquid Stane? I'm a little creeped out by the AI possibly causing rebound.

aHHH i MISSED THAT DEAL ON TEST DRIVE :(
 
thanks for the PM. Just wondering if u got my reply...

And as for the AI. I think that you might be ok without it, but if you want to use it start at a lower dose and tapper down from that. You need to taper down! If you tapper down too abruptly then it may result in the rebound you don't want. Also dont start the AI until ur are at 5mgs of Nolva if you're going to take it.

It may be better to skip it... 5-5-5-5 will definitely suppress you which will happen regardless of the dosages since you are adding foreign hormones into your body, but I doubt that you'll be shut down.

And the testdrive is a steal!! Its arriving tomorrow along with NutraPro, new gloves, and straps. Im kinda temped to take the TestDrive asap, but I know I should keep it for PCT.

I need to buy Mdrol, Nolva, 2 bottles of Cycle Assist, and maybe PCT Assist


I you dont want to use 6oxo then buy PCT Assist. Its an AI with an nice profile.
 
Yesp check your PM. I got a guy who sells the cycle assist for 55$ but he throws in a free bottle of M or H drol and shipping is free. So thats like paying 30 for cycle asist and then 15 for your ph. I think I save like 10$ doing that deal. PCT assist is expensive :(

If we get PCT assist is there high enough test booster in it to not need a test booster?

Oh Ill use jack3d for pre workout. 22.80$ free shipping on ebay. Ever use it? They dont sell singles so I cant try it :9 I hate buying those prework out mixes and finding they suck after I have spent the money.
 
hey bro an AI and a test booster are completely different things. One boosts free test in your system while and AI inhibits test converting into estrogen, which in turn boosts Test lvls.

Be careful with jack3d. Ive heard mix reviews about it. its mostly just caffeine, 1,3-dimethylamylamine and Amino acids. You can def make this at home...

I myself like ECA to get that boost in the gym. and when are u starting the cycle?
 
vpdman said:
Well here some what I've come up with so far....

Week 1: nolva 20mgs for the first couple of days then to 10mgs.
Week 2: nolva 10mgs, add Testbooster, add Cortisol blocker if you want
Week 3: nolva 10mgs, test booser, cort control
Week 4: nolva 5mgs, test booster, Start AI
Week 5 to 6: tapper down the AI.

Make sure to preload a bit on Cycle Assist. So in other words start the Test Booster mid 2nd week or so. You wont really need much for this cycle except for cylce assist, test booster and Nolva. For a 5-5-5 I doubt you'll need an AI...

Check out TestDrive on Nutraplanet, they have this crazy special on it.

I'm actually thinking about doing somthing like this soon. So Im in the market for some SD/Mdrol just dont want to buy it from some sketchy site. Would you mind PMing me with details on the SERM and Mdrol? Thanks bud.

Hope this goes well for you Im deffinitely wanting to see how this works out for u. Im also around 168lb and around 10% BF.
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No need to taper nolva. It is self tapering anyway with its long half life. No ai needed either, m-drol doesn't aromatize.
 
Everything I have read in the forums shows tapering of Nolva. What would you recomend for a dosage of nolve for pct?
Im starting this cycle Monday and I'll make a log in the anobolics section starting then.

I'm thinking about just going to 10mg dosage because the capsules will be a pain to mix and seperate.

Also Vpman I just wanna make sure I'm buying the right Test Drive. Its the one in the white tub correct? Theres was another one there with different ingredients I think.

Also I wanted to test my SERM to cover that base. I would dose one night with the Nolva and should I notice anything? Like a raging hardon the next day? This is what 6OXO typicly did to me lol.

Any suggestion on when to dose and if I should take all my viatamins through the duration? Right now I take a daily, Zinc,Magnesium,B Complex, DHEA, and Fish Oil.
I'll dose M-drol first thing in the morning on an empty Stomach? (I dont workout until after work)
I will seriously need a prework out mix because for some reason I have been really tired after work this week, I was starting to get suspicious of the cycle assist.

Lastly My diet, I'm planning to eat alo of boiled eggs because they are easy and quick, would this be bad due to cholesterol? I'm also planning alot of Peanut Butter Tuna Canned black beans.

Thanks for the help guys :) I'm syched and have been losing sleep over excitmen t of Monday coming.
 
10mgs sounds good just make sure to listen to your body cuz your going to feel the Mdrol. And definitely test the Nolva out for a couple of days. It should make your normal estrogen lvls drop. So you may or may not feel it depending on your estrogen levels. If they are high then you'll feel a difference, but from what I gathered there shouldn't be much to feel pre cycle... Hope that helps. You may wake up with the craziest morning wood.

As for the TestDrive. Its made by EST, and its already got ZMA in it so you might want to drop yours to avoid the Zinc overload. And yes it looks like a small black and white tub.

I honestly would stick with daily vitamins in the morning and Cycle Assist as directed. I dont know about the Mdrol. Might want to do some research on if you can take it late at night before wrokouts. I know that you definitely dont want to take it on an empty stomach. Make sure to have some fats in your system.

Increase your fish oil intake. What range of calories are you going to be eating? Boiled eggs will only be a problem if your eating the yoke too. Just make sure to eat them with out the yoke. I personally crack 6 eggs and separate the whites and trash the yoke. I add some OJ, stir, and drink away. That's a quick 36g of protein. Canned Tuna is great, fast, and easy.

let me know how the Nolva is working. Kinda curious bout it. I'm going to be buying my stuff this Thurs or Friday. 2 Cycle Assists, Mdrol, and Nolva
 
AHAHAH thats a crazy drink Vpman. I have always been afraid to eat eggs raw. I'll start doing it maybe mix them in with my protein shake. I'm afraid of food poisoning.

Ok good heads up on the test drive gonna get it on ebay for 30$/120 caps free shipping.

Starting Nolva tonight and through Sunday night. Will this effect me starting m-drol on monday? I would hate putting off the mdrol again.

Shooting for 3000 calories first week of cycle. I'm not a big guy at 165/5'7" so that will be a big increase. Then I will raise calories consecutivly by week probly ending up at 4500 through my pct. Maybe I should start at 3500 ending at 4500.

One thing though. My joints have been aching especially my shoulders this week. I just started the fish oil last week I'm hoping it helps. I didnt change anything about my workout. I'm wondering if its lack of sleep or over training. It cant be the CYCLE ASSIST causing this right? I took a couple days off from gym I'm going to go to try it again tonight. I want to fit when I start cycle. (might be a summer cold as I have also been very very very tired)

Thanks again for help.
 
LOL! I just walked into the kitchen opened up a quart of "egg whites" and slugged some. It wasnt that bad but left a nasty taste in my mouth.
 
HAHAHA^^^ add some v8 or OJ. really makes a difference! yeah Ur maintenance should be around 2700-3000ish. So depending your goals...

Fish oil should help the joints. Just remember that low estrogen sides include lack of inflammations, and dry joints. So your going be needing all the water, and good fats as u can get.
 
I'm not going to test the Tamo tonight. I was looking for info on sides and I wont notice anything in one night or 2. I'm just going to roll the dice and do the cycle. Hope to god I dont get gyno because of a ****ty SERM. I mighgt even order another one from a different source for backup. If I start to feel gyno I'll switch.

BTW For Tamoxifen Citrate; It is about 2/3 Tamoxifen. So 2ml wont work for 40mg on a 20mg/ml solution. I am going to do 2.5 ml's to get a abpout 40mg a dose. Or 1.5 for 20mg. Keep this in mind when you plann your doses. I did alot of reading about the tamo.

Had a good workout. Did chest. I was really cautious on the dumbell press. I had some pain but I did some shoulder warmup stuff. I just couldnt go all animal today.
I feel no pain right now and I'm pretty happy with how it turned out.

All I have left is to plan my workout schedule and write up my meal plan.
 
Just did the math on my Bottle od Tamoxifen Citrate,
Its 50ml at 20mg/ml. For a pct of 40/40/20/20 there isnt enough.
Tamoxifen Citrate is 30% less potent then Tamoxifen. You need to add to my doses to get the full 40mg etc.
42 ML will dose through the 4 weeks on that RD. However if you add the 30% (12.6ml)
42 + 12.6...54.6 I'm short 4.6 ml.
Now I'm only concerned about this because If all is going well at 10mg m-drol I might go to 20 and do the normal 10/20/20 cycle. In this cane would I need to follow the recomended 40/40/20/20 or no because my cycle is not more than 3 weeks. Hmm If this happens I'll just taper down to 30 on week 2 of pct. I almost chickened out today and started taking the H-drol I have stashed. LOL

Got my picture to work :)
 
Ok guys I've lost patience. I don't think there is any reason to wait another day. I'm going to start m-drol today. Just need to figure out when to dose. I'm gonna start a log on anabolics forum.
 
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