PCT for Epistane

Atreyubeat

Atreyubeat

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Sup all, I know this is my first post, but I have been at bb.com for a long time, and since they do not take kindly to any PH ?'s at all, I figured I would come over here. Been surfing these forums for a few years, (not kidding), just never registered and posted lol. Anyways, onto the topic here. A little background first: almost 26 years old, been in the military for a year or so, and I have a bit of downtime before I hit the road to the box. Been lifting since I was 18, seriously lifting since I was about 21. I have had a bottle of Epistane by CEL for a year, sealed up in a ziplock bag and have just been trying to get to a stable 185 before I even thought about running it. Currently, I am around 178-180 depending on water weight at the time of day of weigh in. And around 10% BF. I had a plan to run it as follows about a month or so before I left for about 9 months of training, and this is what I came up with:

Week 1-2: Cycle Assist Recommended dosages.
Week 2-3: Cycle Assist | Havoc / Epistane 30mg
Week 3-7: Cycle Assist | Havoc / Epistane 40mg
Week 7-9: Cycle Assist | Nolvadex 20mg | Lean Xtreme by Driven Sports
Week 9-11: Cycle Assist | Nolvadex 10mg | Lean Xtreme by Driven Sports

My main question is, should I run Clomid or Nolva? This has been my biggest question and has been pissing me off for a long time now. I see a few people for Clomid 100% for suppressing estrogen, and others for Nolva. If I could get any incite, that would be much appreciated.
 
i ran clomid with my last epi cycle and pct was amazing. doing the same for the epi cycle im on now.

you say you have a bottle, the proposed cycle will require 2 bottles. you probably knew that, just making sure. its good stuff. u can use the link in my sig to see how i set up all my stuff. good luck!
 
tnubs said:
i ran clomid with my last epi cycle and pct was amazing. doing the same for the epi cycle im on now.

you say you have a bottle, the proposed cycle will require 2 bottles. you probably knew that, just making sure. its good stuff. u can use the link in my sig to see how i set up all my stuff. good luck!
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Awesome, and ty for the information for sure. That helps out a lot. I just didn't want to go in half ****ed without hearing from anyone else. How does this sound for a run of Clomid for PCT:

Week 1 -70mg
Week 2- 50mg
Week 3- 35mg

Want to run Lean Xtreme with it as well for cortisol control and a bit of natty test booster.
 
5 week cycle, correct? id go a minimum of 4 weeks of PCT. i think im going to go with 6 weeks of clomid for my 6 week cycle. if i did a 5 week cycle, might as well do 5 weeks of clomid. what u have looks fine, just add in 2 more weeks of like 20-25mg to the tail end, just a little bit to keep ur natty levels high to help ease the transition and keep gains. from personal experience in the past, i regret not extending my pct out a lil longer
 
tnubs said:
5 week cycle, correct? id go a minimum of 4 weeks of PCT. i think im going to go with 6 weeks of clomid for my 6 week cycle. if i did a 5 week cycle, might as well do 5 weeks of clomid. what u have looks fine, just add in 2 more weeks of like 20-25mg to the tail end, just a little bit to keep ur natty levels high to help ease the transition and keep gains. from personal experience in the past, i regret not extending my pct out a lil longer
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Sounds good to me, I will probably have some left over from the 35mg/ml bottle, and there is 70ml in it. I will run it as long as I can for sure. Would it be beneficial to run a 6-bromo in conjuction with it just in case of rebound? I have a bottle of the original Iforce Reversitol with me. Or should I just keep it as is with the Lean Xtreme, and call it a run? Anyways, thanks a lot for the words of wisdom, I will get a log going on it, and try to get some before and afters.
 
No need for the 6-Bromo in PCT in my opinion. If you add anything I would add some Sustain Alpha, Stoked, or a pure Resveratrol product.
 
hell yea, logging is always good especially if your inexperienced as other people can help you along the way should any problems come up. send me a PM with a link to ur log and ill try to help you along as well!

6 bromo would be fine if u keep the dose lower. its technically a "steroidal" AI, just because small amount of it may convert to a steroid hormone and hinder recovery during pct. if u keep it at like 25-50mg/day you shouldnt have any problems. im using erase for my AI of choice during pct just because it doubles as an anti-cortisol and im not running anything else for cortisol. i am using 6-bromo on cycle when i pulse my boladrol just to help alleviate any estrogen related side effects that may occur. i wouldnt think you would particularly need anything too strong during an epistane pct as far as anti-e just because epi is a dry compound, u just need something to take away just a little of the rebound. so like maybe 50mg for the first 2 weeks, then 25mg as long as ur taking the clomid. just because the way SERM's work, they dont actually lower estrogen levels. they block the estrogen from having an effect. so ur estro levels will be above average, but u wont have any side effects except maybe being a little emotional if ur one of the lucky few that gets moody while on it. doesnt happen to me :p
 
tnubs said:
hell yea, logging is always good especially if your inexperienced as other people can help you along the way should any problems come up. send me a PM with a link to ur log and ill try to help you along as well!

6 bromo would be fine if u keep the dose lower. its technically a "steroidal" AI, just because small amount of it may convert to a steroid hormone and hinder recovery during pct. if u keep it at like 25-50mg/day you shouldnt have any problems. im using erase for my AI of choice during pct just because it doubles as an anti-cortisol and im not running anything else for cortisol. i am using 6-bromo on cycle when i pulse my boladrol just to help alleviate any estrogen related side effects that may occur. i wouldnt think you would particularly need anything too strong during an epistane pct as far as anti-e just because epi is a dry compound, u just need something to take away just a little of the rebound. so like maybe 50mg for the first 2 weeks, then 25mg as long as ur taking the clomid. just because the way SERM's work, they dont actually lower estrogen levels. they block the estrogen from having an effect. so ur estro levels will be above average, but u wont have any side effects except maybe being a little emotional if ur one of the lucky few that gets moody while on it. doesnt happen to me :p
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Roger that, and I will keep a log for sure. I have to track my weight and lifting stats when I run something a bit more hardcore for sure. I just gotta get a few more posts so I can send a PM. Good info though for sure. Starting today or tomorrow with dosing. Been running Cycle Assist for the past two weeks. Ready to start.
 
novedex xt

I just bought 2 bottles of epistane and the person I bought them from says all he ever uses for his pct is novedex xt. Does this seem right and I do have some novla on hand just incase.

Thanks
 
My buddy used Blue Up and Inhibit-E. Said he saw gains continuing through the post and little side effects.
 
Similar?

OrganicShadow said:
My buddy used Blue Up and Inhibit-E. Said he saw gains continuing through the post and little side effects.
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And I just read up on Inhibit-E and it appears to be very similar to novedex xt and so I might be fine using that and a natty test booster.

Thanks
 
Terencec said:
I just bought 2 bottles of epistane and the person I bought them from says all he ever uses for his pct is novedex xt. Does this seem right and I do have some novla on hand just incase.

Thanks
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I know a lot of people swear by a lot of different OTC protocols....I don't **** with it....ever. I don't see a problem in having a OTC product on hand and running it in conjunction with a SERM, but I am not going to risk it. That is why even after a long time of sitting around and reading, looking at logs, and messing around with different plans, I am just now running this. I will have the humility and wisdom to come in here and just ask for some confirmation and advice on how to run something from people who have been there, and done that. I can read about dosages, etc., but until you have the product in hand, and am actually taking it, I think you are still in the dark a bit. Anyways, I would always have a SERM available, but that is just me.
 
idc what anyone says, using something like novadex xt or inhibit e as the backbone for PCT your setting yourself up for failure and you will get flamed hard for your lack of responsibility during your cycle. if you understand how the endocrine system works... an anti estrogen product wont do **** for u. when your test level is very low, blocking estrogen isnt going to do barely anything.
 
Well

tnubs said:
idc what anyone says, using something like novadex xt or inhibit e as the backbone for PCT your setting yourself up for failure and you will get flamed hard for your lack of responsibility during your cycle. if you understand how the endocrine system works... an anti estrogen product wont do **** for u. when your test level is very low, blocking estrogen isnt going to do barely anything.
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I already have a bottle of liquid torem, I will just use that then. I didn't want to use a serm if i didn't need to.

Plus I have some novla on order also.

Question, I was going to add the torem to my mid day shake as another poster recommended.

Thanks
 
Terencec said:
I already have a bottle of liquid torem, I will just use that then. I didn't want to use a serm if i didn't need to.

Plus I have some novla on order also.

Question, I was going to add the torem to my mid day shake as another poster recommended.

Thanks
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timing doesnt matter, just take it whenever is best for you. these things have long half lives. if you have a serm, use it. u cant always feel when ur shut down so just go with something proven. i promise nothing OTC even if u use a ton of stuff will work as well as a serm. and serm's rly arnt that toxic or bad or whatever is preventing everyone from running it. idk why you wouldnt just use it. they are CHEAP and they WORK!!
 
Point taken

tnubs said:
timing doesnt matter, just take it whenever is best for you. these things have long half lives. if you have a serm, use it. u cant always feel when ur shut down so just go with something proven. i promise nothing OTC even if u use a ton of stuff will work as well as a serm. and serm's rly arnt that toxic or bad or whatever is preventing everyone from running it. idk why you wouldnt just use it. they are CHEAP and they WORK!!
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I was just going under the presumption that a serm would be possibly toxic.
I am just going to dump a ml of it in my shake once a day and use some Daa to help the recovery.

Thanks
 
Terencec said:
I was just going under the presumption that a serm would be possibly toxic.
I am just going to dump a ml of it in my shake once a day and use some Daa to help the recovery.

Thanks
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a serm is magnitudes stronger than daa. dont put it in your shake, just put it straight in your mouth and wash it down with some grapefruit juice. as far as toxicity, its nowhere near as toxic as any prohormone.
 
One more ? and thanks

Terencec said:
I was just going under the presumption that a serm would be possibly toxic.
I am just going to dump a ml of it in my shake once a day and use some Daa to help the recovery.

Thanks
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Would you take some Erase, Novedex Xt or DAA along with the Torem. Or a particular combo of the listed three.

And thanks and I appreciate your help.
 
Terencec said:
Would you take some Erase, Novedex Xt or DAA along with the Torem. Or a particular combo of the listed three.

And thanks and I appreciate your help.
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Torem is less toxic than nolva or clomid, dont use novedex xt that crap is crap, imo atd's suck, go with triazole, formestane or erase which you already have.
start daa on the first day of your pct, torem can be taken anytime, Id take at night or first thing in the morning. erase should be taken on day one of your pct.
 
I would stay away from Novedex XT ... many have libido issues with it and there are better options. With EPI - as long as you don't go hog wild with it - you should feel good on PCT - don't muck with anything that will make you depressed or feel bad (like Novedex does me).

For an EPI PCT I think all you need is some Torem, maybe some Erase - I have used Formestane too ...

I don't think EPI PCT needs to be that complicated. Use a test booster I guess - but it's not really required. The Torem and any estrogen management you use will increase Test. Some T-911 maybe, even thought I don't think it boosts test - it seems to boost the "alpha" feel and that is important on PCT.
 
HondaV65 said:
I would stay away from Novedex XT ... many have libido issues with it and there are better options. With EPI - as long as you don't go hog wild with it - you should feel good on PCT - don't muck with anything that will make you depressed or feel bad (like Novedex does me).

For an EPI PCT I think all you need is some Torem, maybe some Erase - I have used Formestane too ...

I don't think EPI PCT needs to be that complicated. Use a test booster I guess - but it's not really required. The Torem and any estrogen management you use will increase Test. Some T-911 maybe, even thought I don't think it boosts test - it seems to boost the "alpha" feel and that is important on PCT.
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yup, well said, and add good ol'creatine in your pct
 
HondaV65 said:
I would stay away from Novedex XT ... many have libido issues with it and there are better options. With EPI - as long as you don't go hog wild with it - you should feel good on PCT - don't muck with anything that will make you depressed or feel bad (like Novedex does me).

For an EPI PCT I think all you need is some Torem, maybe some Erase - I have used Formestane too ...

I don't think EPI PCT needs to be that complicated. Use a test booster I guess - but it's not really required. The Torem and any estrogen management you use will increase Test. Some T-911 maybe, even thought I don't think it boosts test - it seems to boost the "alpha" feel and that is important on PCT.
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Thanks I am going to use my torem i have now, some daa and I have two bottles of erase i will use. The creatine and betaline lives on my schedule. :)
 
Last Question, I have my plan all the way sorted out now.

I am going to do a 30/30/40/40/40 of epistane.

And for my PCT is going to be as follows, Torem 60/60/60 4th week a maybe with the addition of DAA for a full 8 weeks following immediately after my epi cyc.

The question is I bought two bottles of Erase for my pct and want to know should I use it only for my PCT or should I use for the whole cycle of epi also.

P.S. Erase only supplement that ever had any positive effect on me ;)

Thanks
 
Okay well - when I run Epi ... and I do love it - but sometimes I get slightly burning and itchy nips. Usually happens in the evening - and it may be some kind of HPTA rebounding and producing too much estrogen because I normally take all my doses of Epi for the day by 3pm to kind of minimize shutdown.

That's just a theory I pulled right out of my ass - and who knows if it's true? But I do get the burning / itchy nips. So I always used Formestane to get rid of that - because I didn't know about ERASE the last time I cycled Epi.

You will prolly get different answers - but personally - I'd say just have the Erase on hand but don't take it unless you have a reason to.

Epi is dry gains anyway and real easy to get into joint pain if you do too much estrogen control while taking it. And - I dunno - I read something about estrogen in small amounts is helpful to the anabolic state anyway.
 
I don't believe erase is ness on cycle for epi. Its good you have it on hand if itchy nips or some such thing. Maybe I missed it R U going to log yourcycle.
 
Terencec said:
Last Question, I have my plan all the way sorted out now.

I am going to do a 30/30/40/40/40 of epistane.

And for my PCT is going to be as follows, Torem 60/60/60 4th week a maybe with the addition of DAA for a full 8 weeks following immediately after my epi cyc.

The question is I bought two bottles of Erase for my pct and want to know should I use it only for my PCT or should I use for the whole cycle of epi also.

P.S. Erase only supplement that ever had any positive effect on me ;)

Thanks
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i would use a serm for 5 weeks, just drop to a lower dose the last 2 weeks. it will only help. i dont think you will need and AI on cycle, many people say they get some type of dry joints from epistane's anti-e effect
 
MidniteGunner said:
I don't believe erase is ness on cycle for epi. Its good you have it on hand if itchy nips or some such thing. Maybe I missed it R U going to log yourcycle.
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I never said anything about Erase, I knew what I was going to be using, but it was just a question of whether I should go with Clomid or Nolva. I don't mess around with OTC, though I don't see why throwing some OTC products into PCT along with a SERM wouldn't hurt. I know a lot of people love OTC PCT, but I am scared ****less of the possibilities of something going wrong, lol. Why not get the best of both worlds, :). I think you saw a few other people posting their Epi runs on here, and yes, I am logging it. I have to update my diet, etc., but I am logging it with the time I am allotted outside of my job. Here is the link to the log:

anabolicminds.com/forum/supplement-reviews-logs/171534-atreyubeats-e-stane.html

Until you hit 50 posts, I can't put in the full link, so just copy and paste it into your browser, lol.
 
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