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PCT and SARMS

cg1403

cg1403

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Hey guys,

Quick question. Was doing a search to figure out what my Clomid protocol should be, as my cycle will be up in a few weeks. I saw plenty that implemented Hcg which I do not have. I can get nolva if need be. I have clomid and aromasin on hand. A few I've seen from a google search suggest starting Clomid up after a week from last injection, another I was looking at on the forum suggested only aromasin for the first 25 days, and then clomid afterwards. I'm not sure if this is because it included Hcg. Any help would be much appreciated! My other question is when should I be able to start taking sarms/serms? I'd like to bridge cycles with them. Currently thinking ostarine, andarine and cardarine for 8 weeks.

Thanks in advance!
 
What compounds did you cycle with? Test ? Im assuming its injectibles based on your post, Letting us know what gear you are running will help determine when to start your PCT. As far as the Clomid and Aromasin dosing, I will usually do 100 for the first 4-5 days and then drop down to 50 for the following 9-10, and then 25 for the last 2 or 3 weeks depending on how long the cycle. Aromasin is very strong and some people react differently to it. I like to do a 12.5mg dose every other day or every third day and take it from there. As far as the Sarms, I wouldnt take ANY sarms during PCT as they have all been found to be suppressive as far as I know. I have never ran Sarms before though so Im not the best guy to ask..
 
Darlz said:
What compounds did you cycle with? Test ? Im assuming its injectibles based on your post, Letting us know what gear you are running will help determine when to start your PCT. As far as the Clomid and Aromasin dosing, I will usually do 100 for the first 4-5 days and then drop down to 50 for the following 9-10, and then 25 for the last 2 or 3 weeks depending on how long the cycle. Aromasin is very strong and some people react differently to it. I like to do a 12.5mg dose every other day or every third day and take it from there. As far as the Sarms, I wouldnt take ANY sarms during PCT as they have all been found to be suppressive as far as I know. I have never ran Sarms before though so Im not the best guy to ask..
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Its a 12 week cycle. Was running test cyp 400mg a week, upped it to 600mg a week for the last 5 weeks cause I have enough. Also taking aromasin 12.5mg eod.
 
For Test Cyp I would wait 18 days from your last pin and then start your PCT. I think you should be fine without HCG. Some people run Nolva and Clomid together just to be safe. Me personally, I have run something similar to what you ran and Clomid and Aromasin worked just fine for me.
 
Ok so just to clarify, Aromasin 12.5mg ED or EOD for first 18 days? And then drop the Aromasin and proceed to Clomid 100 mg 5 days, 50mg for 10 days, and then 25 mg for 5 weeks?

Out of curiosity, why wait so long to start Clomid? Why not start taking it right away?

Does it really matter if I recover fully from this cycle if I want to bridge with sarms right into another cycle? My regular T levels are garbage to begin with. I'd honestly rather just cruise but I wouldn't mind having the option for children down the road, that would be the only issue with cruising for me personally. Not sure if this is a risk.

Please teach me :)
 
I would drop the Aromasin right around the time you start your PCT. The reason you would wanna wait 18 days to start your PCT is because of how long the Testosterone Cyp stays in your system. If you start your PCT early while you still have TOO much synthetic Test in your system, It may actually have a reverse effect and delay your recovery. However, If you wait til Test levels drop closer back to baseline, it will leave you with enough in your system to facilitate recovery.

Also my Clomid dosage would look like this Week 1 100 for the 3-4 days then drop down to 75 for the rest of week one, Week 2 I would go to 50mgs Week 3 drop down to 25 mgs, and keep that dosage for week 4 as well, then cease PCT protocol. You have to remember that everyones body acts a bit different to things. For most people, a basic 50/50/25/25 4 week pct works perfectly fine. Ive noticed that I recover best by starting with a pretty high dosage and then tapered down, and I will run 5 weeks instead of 4 depending on the AAS used. As for your question about recovering, Yes if you would like to have kids some day, then I would allow myself to recover properly before using anything Anabolic again. Id recommend taking a good OTC Test Booster and some DAA along with some creatine and just stick to being all natural for 8 or 10 weeks AFTER you finish your PCT... Then you can cycle again if you want to. I know your intent on bridging between cycles with Sarms but I have to tell you, Im not the guy to ask there. I just know that Sarms like OSTA and LGD are just as suppressive as any steroid or prohormone. So if you think your natural test numbers arent very great now... They might be nonexistant by the time your done with that bridge....
 
Thanks for all the clarification. My base test levels are 11.1 for test and around 350-355 for free test, so pretty low unfortunately, so there's a good chance I'll skip the sarms then. Because my base test levels are so low I am pretty scared of losing all my gains extremely quickly, don't know if that would effect it any differently or not. Quite a few months back I ran a TRT dose of test cyp at 100mg a week for 5 weeks, non doctors prescribed as he wouldn't prescribe me anything but I figured it was unnaturally low for somebody at my age, including the depression/low sex drive and everything else (doc had said my symptoms were caused by depression and not low end normal test levels.) I felt way better taking the test, energy levels increased, no more depression etc. but I went off cold turkey as the doc had recommended so he could run more tests for me. Test levels dropped into the 9s for about a month if I remember correctly, and I seemed to lose everything extremely quickly. A friend said it was probably due to not eating enough, anything I can do to combat this as well as far as diet and training go? Could you recommend an OTC Test Booster?
 
After a little more research, I think I will probably get some Hcg, and my off cycle week will consist of a three day split. I've been doing a lot of volume training, supersets, drop sets, and left compounds at 5x5, 5-6 days a week. I think I naturally tend to do better with drop sets and higher volume (get more of a pump/feel muscles burn) when I do 5x5 I really don't feel much and little to no pump, no matter how heavy I try and go (which doesn't seem to be that far off from volume training weight.) Naturally I'm a pretty slim build and taller, if I had to guess I am built more for endurance (so more slow twitch muscle fibre.) I also tend to get skinny fat without training (not a naturally muscular build, relatively easy fat gain only in torso.)

How is that sounding? Any further recommendations with the added info?
 
I've had the same problem where it was always easy to be lean, but I always thought I looked too lean. And when I was in my early 20's I could eat 5000 cals a day n barely gain a pound or two because my metabolism was so fast. I started using anabolic supps at about 25, nothing crazy just a spring or summer cycle once a year. Around the age of 28-29 I think my metabolism started to change. Not sure if it was the gear or just natural change, but it started becoming easy for me to keep weight on.. Now I can linger around 200 lbs and I'm just barely 5'11.. I think just the practice of cycling the right way, eating the right way, and training the right way will help. Now for some people, they respond better to higher intensity and higher reps, me personally I was always taught eat heavy and lift heavier.. I guess you have to just figure out what you respond best to. The one thing that really helped me Is I started squatting twice a week for 2-3 months and then back down to once a week for a month.. And then back again. It really is amazing how much the body responds to squats. Squat to grow brother.
 
Absolutely bro anytime. Most of what I know has come from what I learned from all these guys on this forum. Everyone is really helpful here and their is just so much experience floating around here. Knowledge is power.
 
Darlz said:
What compounds did you cycle with? Test ? Im assuming its injectibles based on your post, Letting us know what gear you are running will help determine when to start your PCT. As far as the Clomid and Aromasin dosing, I will usually do 100 for the first 4-5 days and then drop down to 50 for the following 9-10, and then 25 for the last 2 or 3 weeks depending on how long the cycle. Aromasin is very strong and some people react differently to it. I like to do a 12.5mg dose every other day or every third day and take it from there. As far as the Sarms, I wouldnt take ANY sarms during PCT as they have all been found to be suppressive as far as I know. I have never ran Sarms before though so Im not the best guy to ask..
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"Sarms, I wouldnt take ANY sarms during PCT as they have all been found to be suppressive" very true and well put bro- trying to tell everyone the something, don't use a sarm during pct- makes absolutely no sense at all- great info on pct as well
 
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