Pct advice

Fartknocker

New member
Currently on last week of cycle of 600mg ed of epiandro, 330mg ed of 1 andro and 30mg ed of ostarine for recomp. Also taking fish oil, chaos and pain legendary epicat and laxo.
Currently have on hand torem, clomid, aromisin, BLR rebirth and letrone, supplent called nolvastane that is arimistane and 7 keto. And natty test boosters with cardarine on the way.
Already have next cycle planned with a stack of lgd, rad, and yk11.
Id consider my current andro cycle pretty mild and wonder what i should use now for pct and what i should save for next cycle. Any info is greatly appreciated thanks
 
Fartknocker said:
Currently on last week of cycle of 600mg ed of epiandro, 330mg ed of 1 andro and 30mg ed of ostarine for recomp. Also taking fish oil, chaos and pain legendary epicat and laxo.
Currently have on hand torem, clomid, aromisin, BLR rebirth and letrone, supplent called nolvastane that is arimistane and 7 keto. And natty test boosters with cardarine on the way.
Already have next cycle planned with a stack of lgd, rad, and yk11.
Id consider my current andro cycle pretty mild and wonder what i should use now for pct and what i should save for next cycle. Any info is greatly appreciated thanks
Click to expand...
Also....39 years old. 6'. Went from 215 to 205. Guessing added a few pounds of muscle and got leaner and harder this cycle. Have 2 solo rad cycles and an lgd cycle under my belt. Been back into training for a couple years after a break. Altogether 10ish years of training experience. Got away with otc pct for first sarm cycles but i realize this wasnt smart and trying to remedy that for the future.
 
Well i guess im gonna try out 30 mg ed torem for last week on cycle and continue for pct, hopefully that will preload a bit as it has a half life of 5 to 7 days. I figure that might reduce the need for a high dose first week or two. Then maybe put blr rebirth starting first day of pct on top of the torem.
Also on 15 mg ed of mk677.
Big question i have is AI use. Should i try 1 cap a day of letrone from the beginning of pct and see how that treats me or hold off on any AI till later in the pct and use the aromisin at 12mg eod or twice a week if needed?
 
The think with torem is that it's a lot weaker for restarting hpta than nolva. Even the recommended dosage at 60mg is low. We don't know what the effective dose is neither so we know if it's actually safer in any ways at effective dose.
 
Chados said:
The think with torem is that it's a lot weaker for restarting hpta than nolva. Even the recommended dosage at 60mg is low. We don't know what the effective dose is neither so we know if it's actually safer in any ways at effective dose.
Click to expand...
So u think i should just use the clomid i have on hand? Dont have any nolva nor do i feel lethargic or any sides at all from this cycle. Overall feels a lottle weaker than a solo rad dose of 30mg ed
 
Fartknocker said:
So u think i should just use the clomid i have on hand? Dont have any nolva nor do i feel lethargic or any sides at all from this cycle. Overall feels a lottle weaker than a solo rad dose of 30mg ed
Click to expand...

I think torem is fair for an oral cycle. I just don't think studies are there to prove its effectiveness compared to nolva that's all. I'm fairly sure it's as effective or even more than clomid.

I'm throwing out numbers now but I think nolva at 20mg is like clomid at 100-150, most people don't go above 50 clomid and people do 40mg of nolva very often.

Torem dosage would have to be higher than the average recommended dosage to be close to nolva. Nolva is a safe bet.
 
Chados said:
I think torem is fair for an oral cycle. I just don't think studies are there to prove its effectiveness compared to nolva that's all. I'm fairly sure it's as effective or even more than clomid.

I'm throwing out numbers now but I think nolva at 20mg is like clomid at 100-150, most people don't go above 50 clomid and people do 40mg of nolva very often.

Torem dosage would have to be higher than the average recommended dosage to be close to nolva. Nolva is a safe bet.
Click to expand...

Clomid is fine
 
Thanks, still learning here. Ill make sure to have some nolva on hand for anything stronger in the future. Was thinking prolly have some ralox on hand too just in case. Knowing me ill probably just keep using stronger **** lol
 
Imo torem is by far the best serm and nolva is a decent option too but nobody should take clomid anymore just because of the possible sides. Of course torem needs to be ran at higher dosage though
 
Mathb33 said:
Imo torem is by far the best serm and nolva is a decent option too but nobody should take clomid anymore just because of the possible sides. Of course torem needs to be ran at higher dosage though
Click to expand...

What sides apart from the potential emotional stuff? I know blurry vision at high doses, but that seems irrelevant since it’s not necessary to dose like that for pct. Most feel like Clomid works really well for getting your balls back up to full size.
 
Mathb33 said:
Imo torem is by far the best serm and nolva is a decent option too but nobody should take clomid anymore just because of the possible sides. Of course torem needs to be ran at higher dosage though
Click to expand...

We don't know this for a fact. Nolva is much stronger for hpta and the positive effects should not and can't be comparable without evidence. How much torem do we need to match even 20mg of nolva? A lot, 40mg? What are the sides of torem at this dosage?

The studies aren't even made at high dosage torem and they are definitely not used to study hpta. They are very closely related and it's a high probability the sides one could experience with nolvadex would also come with torem.


You'd have to overdose torem to get effects of a medical dosage of nolva to (maybe get the same effects) that's also something we don't know but we can assume torem might be able at some dosage increase hpta as good as nolva.
 
Fartknocker said:
I have enough torem for 60mg ed for 2 weeks and 30 for another 2. Is that high enough?
Click to expand...

I'd assume that's too little if we go by the standard dosage of Nolvadex. Then again I can't say how you'll shut down.

Here's a read for you

Invalid Link Removed
 
jrock645 said:
What sides apart from the potential emotional stuff? I know blurry vision at high doses, but that seems irrelevant since it’s not necessary to dose like that for pct. Most feel like Clomid works really well for getting your balls back up to full size.
Click to expand...

What you listed is enough for it not to be worth it when there is better options! It’s really just what I meant. Chados right in everything he says there’s nothing to really prove the nolva vs torem but all I know is nothing got me back like torem when I used to PCT. of course as chados mentionned higher doses like 120/100/80/60 are needed
 
Whats a good AI protocol since nothing in my cycle was supposed to aromatize? I assume the torem will raise my estrogen? I have arimistane and 7 keto to help aromatose and letrone and aromisin for e.
 
jrock645 said:
What sides apart from the potential emotional stuff? I know blurry vision at high doses, but that seems irrelevant since it’s not necessary to dose like that for pct. Most feel like Clomid works really well for getting your balls back up to full size.
Click to expand...

Nolva and torem hit flashes, clomid floaters not blurred vision
 
Fartknocker said:
Whats a good AI protocol since nothing in my cycle was supposed to aromatize? I assume the torem will raise my estrogen? I have arimistane and 7 keto to help aromatose and letrone and aromisin for e.
Click to expand...

You don't need an ai if you don't have estrogen problems, torem on cycle or pct? Torem will absolutely destroy the possibility of having gyno not during Cycle and pct. Its not an inhibitor it's a blocker. If you don't run anything that aromatize don't worry about an ai.
 
Chados said:
You don't need an ai if you don't have estrogen problems, torem on cycle or pct? Torem will absolutely destroy the possibility of having gyno not during Cycle and pct. Its not an inhibitor it's a blocker. If you don't run anything that aromatize don't worry about an ai.
Click to expand...
I decided to run 30 mg torem ed during last week of cycle then will continue for 4 more weeks prolly and up dose after last oral taken. Idk if that makes sense but the boys are already plumper after 2 days of 30mg torem even while still taking 600 mg epiandro 330 1 andro and 30 mg osta
 
Fartknocker said:
I decided to run 30 mg torem ed during last week of cycle then will continue for 4 more weeks prolly and up dose after last oral taken. Idk if that makes sense but the boys are already plumper after 2 days of 30mg torem even while still taking 600 mg epiandro 330 1 andro and 30 mg osta
Click to expand...

Haha that's fair I guess. We all react differently. If you wanna run it during cycle go ahead.
 
jrock645 said:
Floaters?
Click to expand...

Little white pinpoints of light/stuff that float around with your vision. Depending on the cause it could be permanent retinal damage. Rods and cones broken off and floating. It’s normal to have some.

I have quite a bit. I also have 20/100 vision.
 
Fartknocker said:
So any suggestions on dosing and timing of aromasin or letrone during torem pct to combat any rebound? Just play it by feel or start at the beginning or layer in the 4 week serm run?
Click to expand...

The torem is what combats the rebound. What do you think it’s for? How do you think this is supposed to fix your hormones?
 
Old Witch said:
The torem is what combats the rebound. What do you think it’s for? How do you think this is supposed to fix your hormones?
Click to expand...
still learning here. I know its to restart htpa and test production but i was under the impression it also increases estrogen while blocking the effects of it.
 
Fartknocker said:
still learning here. I know its to restart htpa and test production but i was under the impression it also increases estrogen while blocking the effects of it.
Click to expand...
I see a lot of logs where an ai is used during last two weeks of serm and tapered off and continued for a couple weeks after serm is stopped. My thought was estrogen would still be elevated but the blocking effects of torem would wear off
 
Torem should be absolutely enough for such a light cycle.

120/60/60/30 or 120/60/30/30 and you’re good.
 
Scaring people with broken rods and cones stuff lol...your eyes have a solid jelly like substance in them that starts to break apart and float around. When the light passing through your eye hits them, they cast a shadow on the retina and that's why we see them.
 
LSALT said:
Scaring people with broken rods and cones stuff lol...your eyes have a solid jelly like substance in them that starts to break apart and float around. When the light passing through your eye hits them, they cast a shadow on the retina and that's why we see them.
Click to expand...

Rods and cones. I have floaters. Normal aging causes this. If it’s excessive you’re in some trouble.

Like I said, I used clomid first time, perfect vision.

One year later having used it three times it’s 20/100 in the left eye and 20/75 in the right.

I did not make the connection until much later. Clomid caused me some retinal damage. I can’t really think of another reason. My vision was great. Suddenly I’m in college and can’t see anything written on the board for the first time ever in my life. It was like I needed to rub my eyes so they could focus but it never happened.

Now, twelve years later, my vision hasn’t gotten any better. Or worse. And I haven’t used clomid in as long either.
 
I'm just saying floaters have nothing to do with your retinas rods and cones or retinal sensitivity. I worked with many eye surgeons, retina, corneal and glaucoma specialists. Not to say at all that Clomid isn't the cause. You probably saw the specialist and he told you a few things all at once. You added them all together. Happens all the time :33:
 
LSALT said:
I'm just saying floaters have nothing to do with your retinas rods and cones or retinal sensitivity. I worked with many eye surgeons, retina, corneal and glaucoma specialists. Not to say at all that Clomid isn't the cause. You probably saw the specialist and he told you a few things all at once. You added them all together. Happens all the time :33:
Click to expand...
I’m pretty sure old witch didn’t mix up random things all together and made up conclusions, he’s a nerd and knows his stuff
 
Lol, not saying he doesn't know his stuff when it comes to bodybuilding. When it comes to eyes, I have been around thousands of patients. Rods and cones do not "float" in the eyes. Those cells can die when they detach and cause loss of vision and that loss would be stationary. Those are not the "floaters" people see. If someone who has actual floaters (which I do by the way) comes across this info and starts worrying about their retinas being damaged because he says floaters are broken off rods and cones, I'm just trying to prevent that. It's good he's you're buddy and I respect that. I've read a lot of his posts and I respect his knowledge for sure. Not here to step on toes or post nonsense. Here to contribute what I know. We all have said stuff somewhere that needs correction and are glad when we get it. Basically what he described is a retinal detachment, the rods and cones are not floating. You can have floaters as a secondary issue to the detached retina. But you would notice loss of VA first. Having floaters without loss of VA is absolutely nothing to worry about. Unless the floater is huge and bothersome. In that case they can laser it. Also they do have procedures to repair a detached retina. They must be acted un immediately to reattach the retina. The longer you wait to get the procedure, the rods and cones get desensitized and stop working.
So sudden loss of visual acuity= immediate trip to eye doc
 
Oh, not saying he has detached retinas either. Lol. There was a documented case where a clomid user had a central retina vein occlusion. Basically if you lose blood to the retina the rods and cones dont work also. But that is not floaters.
 
Detached retina is not the same as dead rods and cones broken off the surface of the retina, both of which are definitely a real occurrence.

And besides, you and I both know we’re hiding the real secret. Floaters are just your eyes rotting inside your head. While you’re still alive.
 
Floaters actually come from testicular atrophy. When your nuts shrink, your sperm need a place to go, so they migrate to your eyes. Just be careful not to creep too long or you'll get her pregnant...:hitwithrock:
 
LSALT said:
Floaters actually come from testicular atrophy. When your nuts shrink, your sperm need a place to go, so they migrate to your eyes. Just be careful not to creep too long or you'll get her pregnant...:hitwithrock:
Click to expand...

And then the mold starts to grow.... in her womb.
 
If you have dead rods your penis dont work. If you have broken cones you have gyno. See what I did there hahaha
 
See more like writing or own medical terminology book lol
 
Tren causes insomnia by releasing tiny elves with anger issues into your cerebral cortex, who then use their tiny zinc pickaxes to mine the neurons in the cerebellum and frontal lobe, causing nocturnal upset.
 
Lol, might as well get started...oh wait thread hijacked. OP dont use clomid hahahaha
 
I took clomid 25/15/0/0 and torem 75/50/25/25. And to be honest i havent felt this good in a long time. I dont think i ever really fully recovered from past sarm cycles with otc and now my nuts are finally working like they should. Mood has been very even keeled and fairly laid back. I felt pretty good with the epiandro in my last cycle but i guess i missed actual natty test. I only have a few days left of pct. Experienced zero sides although my gf said i was having some night sweats but i never noticed them much. Started taking letrone at 2 caps a day 2 weeks into pct and will probably take 1 cap ed for a couple weeks after and see how that treats me.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top