PCT advice please

sabby

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Hi all---Newbie to this site.........Very long story short: I have been a gym rat for the last 45 of my 61+ years. All my training has revolved around sports and overall fitness. Although there have been many peaks and valleys in my training motivation, I have, for the most part, stuck with it all these years. My training was always natural using only nutritional supplements. About 8 or 9 years ago, feeling I needed a bit of a boost, I spoke with an old friend from my high school days...He always looked like he was cut from stone. He turned me on to 1-ad (pre-ban) and I was amazed at the gains. I never used any PCT---truthfully never even knew what that was. Just prior to the ban, I bought up a moderate stash of 1-ad. Fast forward to the present: After having to lay off from any serious gym activity due to heart surgery for a congenital aortic valve issue, I have been hitting it hard of late. Week 4 on a 6-week cycle of 1-ad, I have made significant gains and would like to maximize my retention. Having perused this site and others, I frankly am amazed at the detailed level of knowledge into chemistry and pharmaceuticals that many of you possess.......My question: Is there a simple, straightforward easily obtainable over the counter PCT supplement that you all could recommend? I say simple and straightforward because I honestly don't think I have the patience to put together any supplement regimen of any complexity---sounds a bit lazy I guess, but the truth... I see ads for "Post Cycle II"--- is that worth trying or is there something else?

Jim
 
wouldn't have suggested any ph cycles after heart surgery, but too late for that. Reversitol or formadrol are my choice for my pulse cycle and recovery has never been a problem. You will want to keep intake of quality fats and fish oil suppliments to help balance your cholesterol after cycle. You didn't use a methyl so liver support isn't needed. Good luck. At your age it would be safer to see your doctor and just be put on trt.(testosterone replacement therapy.
 
sabby said:
Hi all---Newbie to this site.........Very long story short: I have been a gym rat for the last 45 of my 61+ years. All my training has revolved around sports and overall fitness. Although there have been many peaks and valleys in my training motivation, I have, for the most part, stuck with it all these years. My training was always natural using only nutritional supplements. About 8 or 9 years ago, feeling I needed a bit of a boost, I spoke with an old friend from my high school days...He always looked like he was cut from stone. He turned me on to 1-ad (pre-ban) and I was amazed at the gains. I never used any PCT---truthfully never even knew what that was. Just prior to the ban, I bought up a moderate stash of 1-ad. Fast forward to the present: After having to lay off from any serious gym activity due to heart surgery for a congenital aortic valve issue, I have been hitting it hard of late. Week 4 on a 6-week cycle of 1-ad, I have made significant gains and would like to maximize my retention. Having perused this site and others, I frankly am amazed at the detailed level of knowledge into chemistry and pharmaceuticals that many of you possess.......My question: Is there a simple, straightforward easily obtainable over the counter PCT supplement that you all could recommend? I say simple and straightforward because I honestly don't think I have the patience to put together any supplement regimen of any complexity---sounds a bit lazy I guess, but the truth... I see ads for "Post Cycle II"--- is that worth trying or is there something else?

Jim
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How long ago was the surgery? Did it take care of the problem and are you completely healed from it? Do you get blood work to find out where other health issues may lie in wait? If you do know these things already you should state them after talking about having heart surgery. Before anyone offers much advice they honestly neeed to know about you.
 
...Good point---Heart surgery was a little over a year ago. Same procedure that Arnold had: Bad aortic valve from birth. It finally caught up with me. Luckily, I had a great surgeon and apparently everthing went really well. For those of you that know about such things, The normal protocol for someone my age would have been a metal valve which would have necessitated my being on blood thinners for the rest of my life. Due to my physical pursuits (surfing) I (and my surgeon) opted for a tissue valve---no meds, but it only lasts 10-15 years. By the time I need a new valve, all those procedures will be performed through the femoral artery so a real quick recovery. Having your chest cracked open like a coconut isn't too conducive to doing bench presses (or anything gym related,really) for the first few months. Got back in the gym last April. The surgery is a somewhat distant memory. My overall strength now is pretty much pre-surgery levels. No other health issues thankfully...pretty much a clean bill of health. I'm not really taking any meds to speak of other than a baby aspirin daily......
 
...posted a reply the other day...got the "administrator will review" ...don't understand why as the post was very innocuous...will try again if it doesn't come up...
Jim
 
sabby said:
....So would Formadrol be a good PCT choice?
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It is more important to understand the steroids you are running and their direct effects on you rather then asking about specific products. You can than make informed decisions yourself through research.

Think about PCT in general terms and specific terms. What does your particular steroid suppress post cycle? If 1-ad is a mild steroid it probably does not cause liver, kidney, and general heart health problems. Yet all steroids suppress your natural ability to produce your own testosterone, so you have to take stuff to bring that back. Also many mild steroids cause a certain amount of estrogen rebound and cortisol rebound. If that's true of 1-ad (and I don't know), then you have to address those issues as they can cause you to lose your gains and to bloat up and gain fat on your gut and chest. If estrogen rebound is bad enough it can cause gyno.

If 1-ad is toxic to liver, kidneys or heart (say lowering HDL), then you have to address those problems in your PCT, and you should be addressing those issues even on cycle when necessary. YOU need to understand your particular steriod and what it does to you through research and your own blood work. It's worth the effort, as you still should have a lot of good years if you treat yourself right. And check your blood pressure to see if that is elevated, there are some great herbs and ammino acids to get that back under control.

There are all kinds of over-the-counter products for bring your "boys" back and reducing estrogen post cycle, and you can check into the cortisol thing if you think that may be a problem with 1-ad.

One last thing, if you are shut down really hard then you need to use medical scripts to bring back your natural test production, and to get estrogen in line, but 6 weeks is a reasonable cycle, and I think 1-ad is not too harsh on shutting you down that quick. I'm just using logic here, and there are sharper people out here to answer your questions. In the end you need to do your own research and gain your own knowledge, as you are the one responsible for yourself. The more intelligent your questions get, the more likely you will get sharp replies on AM.
 
sabby said:
Hi all---Newbie to this site.........Very long story short: I have been a gym rat for the last 45 of my 61+ years. All my training has revolved around sports and overall fitness. Although there have been many peaks and valleys in my training motivation, I have, for the most part, stuck with it all these years. My training was always natural using only nutritional supplements. About 8 or 9 years ago, feeling I needed a bit of a boost, I spoke with an old friend from my high school days...He always looked like he was cut from stone. He turned me on to 1-ad (pre-ban) and I was amazed at the gains. I never used any PCT---truthfully never even knew what that was. Just prior to the ban, I bought up a moderate stash of 1-ad. Fast forward to the present: After having to lay off from any serious gym activity due to heart surgery for a congenital aortic valve issue, I have been hitting it hard of late. Week 4 on a 6-week cycle of 1-ad, I have made significant gains and would like to maximize my retention. Having perused this site and others, I frankly am amazed at the detailed level of knowledge into chemistry and pharmaceuticals that many of you possess.......My question: Is there a simple, straightforward easily obtainable over the counter PCT supplement that you all could recommend? I say simple and straightforward because I honestly don't think I have the patience to put together any supplement regimen of any complexity---sounds a bit lazy I guess, but the truth... I see ads for "Post Cycle II"--- is that worth trying or is there something else?

Jim
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Testforce2 is very useful in pct and for bringing up test levels in general good solid science behind it and brought to you by the same man that brought you 1-AD, Patrick Arnold.
 
tuberman said:
It is more important to understand the steroids you are running and their direct effects on you rather then asking about specific products. You can than make informed decisions yourself through research.

Think about PCT in general terms and specific terms. What does your particular steroid suppress post cycle? If 1-ad is a mild steroid it probably does not cause liver, kidney, and general heart health problems. Yet all steroids suppress your natural ability to produce your own testosterone, so you have to take stuff to bring that back. Also many mild steroids cause a certain amount of estrogen rebound and cortisol rebound. If that's true of 1-ad (and I don't know), then you have to address those issues as they can cause you to lose your gains and to bloat up and gain fat on your gut and chest. If estrogen rebound is bad enough it can cause gyno.

If 1-ad is toxic to liver, kidneys or heart (say lowering HDL), then you have to address those problems in your PCT, and you should be addressing those issues even on cycle when necessary. YOU need to understand your particular steriod and what it does to you through research and your own blood work. It's worth the effort, as you still should have a lot of good years if you treat yourself right. And check your blood pressure to see if that is elevated, there are some great herbs and ammino acids to get that back under control.

There are all kinds of over-the-counter products for bring your "boys" back and reducing estrogen post cycle, and you can check into the cortisol thing if you think that may be a problem with 1-ad.

One last thing, if you are shut down really hard then you need to use medical scripts to bring back your natural test production, and to get estrogen in line, but 6 weeks is a reasonable cycle, and I think 1-ad is not too harsh on shutting you down that quick. I'm just using logic here, and there are sharper people out here to answer your questions. In the end you need to do your own research and gain your own knowledge, as you are the one responsible for yourself. The more intelligent your questions get, the more likely you will get sharp replies on AM.
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This is all good advice....I am a little embarassed for looking to take the easy route and wanting a quick answer when there are so many variables and products out there. I have since been searching this site as well as other resources. I think my best bet is to just give some products a try that seem to fill the bill for others. If I don't get the results--oh well...move on to something else. As it stands now, I ordered some Erase + DAA. Hopefully I'll have something positive to report. If not, I'll give Testforce2 a go as Truthornuthin suggests. As far as the TRT, an interesting sidenote: Prior to the surgery, I went through a battery of routine tests---standard pre-op protocol. I asked my physician to do a Test level as I was curious. A couple of months later, I asked the Doctor about the Testosterone result. He simply said "it's normal".....I now know that "normal" and "optimum" with regards to test level are not the same thing. I had The Doctor fax me the actual report yesterday and my Test level was 549. From what I have gathered on this forum, not terribly low, but certainly not optimal. I plan to have a routine phsical in the next month and will be interested to see how the test level is since I'll be in the middle of my Erase-DAA supplementation. Another thing I have to keep in mind: For some reason, my libido was through the roof post surgery. In fact my wife couldn't believe I wanted sex right out of the hospital. Since then, my libido has been steadily diminishing and the 1-ad brought it down even more (in the past, that has been the only apparent side effect of the 1-ad for me---lowered libido). I have enough 1-ad for one more cycle and then it's adios---I really liked that stuff....
 
sabby said:
This is all good advice....I am a little embarassed for looking to take the easy route and wanting a quick answer when there are so many variables and products out there. I have since been searching this site as well as other resources. I think my best bet is to just give some products a try that seem to fill the bill for others. If I don't get the results--oh well...move on to something else. As it stands now, I ordered some Erase + DAA. Hopefully I'll have something positive to report. If not, I'll give Testforce2 a go as Truthornuthin suggests. As far as the TRT, an interesting sidenote: Prior to the surgery, I went through a battery of routine tests---standard pre-op protocol. I asked my physician to do a Test level as I was curious. A couple of months later, I asked the Doctor about the Testosterone result. He simply said "it's normal".....I now know that "normal" and "optimum" with regards to test level are not the same thing. I had The Doctor fax me the actual report yesterday and my Test level was 549. From what I have gathered on this forum, not terribly low, but certainly not optimal. I plan to have a routine phsical in the next month and will be interested to see how the test level is since I'll be in the middle of my Erase-DAA supplementation. Another thing I have to keep in mind: For some reason, my libido was through the roof post surgery. In fact my wife couldn't believe I wanted sex right out of the hospital. Since then, my libido has been steadily diminishing and the 1-ad brought it down even more (in the past, that has been the only apparent side effect of the 1-ad for me---lowered libido). I have enough 1-ad for one more cycle and then it's adios---I really liked that stuff....
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Your score of 549 is quite good for over 60, but as you say that can be optimized upward. Libido is similar, but slightly different than test boosting issues. Whatever generally boosts test is likely to somewhat boost libido. Some test boosters though are known for even more boosting libido -- Long Jack 100 or 200 is an actual aphrodisiac and it does boost test too. Until recently the levels needed to do a great job at both test boosting and being an aphrodisiac were expensive, but now it's available at much cheaper rates. Just google " LJ:100 or LJ:200 purchase," to find out. Also Testofen type Fenugreek both increase libido and boosts test at high levels. You need to take 1.25 grams per day of LJ:100 or half that of LJ:200. Take at least 1.2 grams of testofen up to 1.5 grams. You can keep taking DAA as a backup. You don't ned to take both LJ:100 and Testofen, just chose one.

You may be able to get your total test up to over 1000 this way, and that's a level you barely even need steroids for great results, although they will come slower. You do need to free your test from SHGB to get those results, and for that you need stinging nettle root extract. Freeing test from being bound up in your body is the greatest factor in the usefulness of your natural testosterone.
 
an aromotase inhibitor like reversitol or erase pro would be a good idea.A SERM is always advised but your a little too late into the cycle to aquire one.

Bear in mind you should have everything on hand before starting your cycle
 
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