Overtraining, a Chaotic Painful approach.

jtterrible

jtterrible

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"Today most people, athletes included don't push to the extreme. Most Americans don't because they are lazy as hell. Athletes that rely on their body solely for their sport don't push to the extreme either for fear of something that doesn't exist. This thing is Overtraining. Many of those that read this will disagree with it because they have been preached at to rest when they need it. Those people will also read the above program and believe it will yield no size, or strength, to the lifter and bash it for "overtraining.". The problem is that the body will want you to think you are pushing it too far so you stop stressing it. Resulting in you just giving up on something because you're body lied to you. When not listening would have pushed you over the edge to another level."

The full article is on my blog for those who might be interested in a differing viewpoint on training frequency and intensity.

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I agree that most people underestimate the threshold of the body for adaptation, but the Bulgarian training scheme is over the top, IMO.

I'm not versed enough in Olympic training programs, but I know that they go far beyond the "normal" amount of volume.
 
6-8 hours per day is slightly much... lol.. I've read instances where their coaches have them squat 8 seperate instances in a day.. so 8x their normal rep scheme.. but hey those guys are he men..
 
Most successful training programs ramp up to state of over-reaching followed by recovery and adaptation, then begin again. How fast you plan to over reach and how long you need to recover and adapt is what separates a great coach/trainer/physiologist from a monkey at a local gym or a keyboard smart guy.

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I opt for abbreviated training cuz I know iv overtrained before and I know that for me it does not yield results. Tennis elbow isn't exactly gratifying to me but hey if it works for you more power to ya
 
Rodja said:
I agree that most people underestimate the threshold of the body for adaptation, but the Bulgarian training scheme is over the top, IMO.

I'm not versed enough in Olympic training programs, but I know that they go far beyond the "normal" amount of volume.
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my buddy is at the olympic training center right now for skeleton and ludge and there program is definently on the verge of overtraining and he gets a total of a month off a year. Also he is there for 8 years before the winter olympics.
 
I agree with the article to an extent. Training 6-8 hours a day isn't feasible for most of who have to work 8-12 hours for a minimum of 5 days a week. There are many lifts that are becoming extinct like dinosaurs in many gyms across America. I don't know if it's laziness or these lethal fear of "overtraining". Maybe it's the fact that I see many people that go to the gym w/out a purpose. Too many folks focused on just beach muscles and socializing. Also, some people will react different to intense training and may need to deload sooner than others so that's where knowing your body becomes crucial.
 
People tell me I go to the gym too much. But I don't think so. I go 5-6 days a week for approximately 2 hrs. The key is knowing what you can take. I've lost 70#'s in 10 mnts and put on like 12 #'s of lean muscle.
 
I agree that most people and gym goers are lazy. But who in the hell can have a full time job and put in 40 hrs a week at the gym?
 
I too agree that many of us don't know/realize our limits, not sure if the "especially americans" jab is appropriate or fair at all. Part of it is the attitude/goals of many who work out. Most do it to be "fit" and "sexy" for guys in america these days, that seems to mean fitting into girl jeans and showing off the ribcage, obviously training like a beast would be counterproductive to that, so the media and popular training methods cater to this approach to fitness.

Me? I just want to be a brutal beast benching 300, squatting 400 and deadlifting 500 for reps :D

ManBeast
 
ManBeast said:
I too agree that many of us don't know/realize our limits, not sure if the "especially americans" jab is appropriate or fair at all. Part of it is the attitude/goals of many who work out. Most do it to be "fit" and "sexy" for guys in america these days, that seems to mean fitting into girl jeans and showing off the ribcage, obviously training like a beast would be counterproductive to that, so the media and popular training methods cater to this approach to fitness.

Me? I just want to be a brutal beast benching 300, squatting 400 and deadlifting 500 for reps :D

ManBeast
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This is true in candy ass commercial gyms. Walk into a real gym and tell me that there not working their ass off. The skinny jeans jokers and the trainers advocating bosu ball squats are whats ruining gyms across the world. People start believing the garbage they spew like Dont lift heavy youll hurt your self. Another one I love is you should only bench half way down. Then these jokers have the nerve to say I bench 315 for reps, no you dont dummy. There isnt one competition where they allow you to do half benches. Along the way people forgot to work to achieve there goals. And as a result most people under train and never achieve anything.
 
joeblow1 said:
This is true in candy ass commercial gyms. Walk into a real gym and tell me that there not working their ass off. The skinny jeans jokers and the trainers advocating bosu ball squats are whats ruining gyms across the world. People start believing the garbage they spew like Dont lift heavy youll hurt your self. Another one I love is you should only bench half way down. Then these jokers have the nerve to say I bench 315 for reps, no you dont dummy. There isnt one competition where they allow you to do half benches. Along the way people forgot to work to achieve there goals. And as a result most people under train and never achieve anything.
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Lmao half benches! A guy at my gym had every 45 in the gym on the leg press machine. He was moving the weight like 3 or 4 inches and had the nerve to tell me "there's not enough weight in the gym", that upset me because I was trying to do squats and he had all the damn weight!
 
joeblow1 said:
This is true in candy ass commercial gyms. Walk into a real gym and tell me that there not working their ass off. The skinny jeans jokers and the trainers advocating bosu ball squats are whats ruining gyms across the world. People start believing the garbage they spew like Dont lift heavy youll hurt your self. Another one I love is you should only bench half way down. Then these jokers have the nerve to say I bench 315 for reps, no you dont dummy. There isnt one competition where they allow you to do half benches. Along the way people forgot to work to achieve there goals. And as a result most people under train and never achieve anything.
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Sadly it is the commercial candyass gyms that succeed (more often) because they cater to what is "popular" and "in the news".

ManBeast
 
3 days 1 hour each time is enough for me...
Stress it to all get out that day & then rest the other days... Push hard as u can for that hour....
 
A good powerlifting routine u only need 4 days 45 -90 minutes. But when u start extra workouts that's a whole new story. For instance u might want to add plyometric box jumps a day before ur squat workout, or isometrics to help with ur sticking point. 12 hours after ur workout u might wanna add a light high rep workout for recuperation purposes! the time starts to add up quick.
 
diggyboo said:
Lmao half benches! A guy at my gym had every 45 in the gym on the leg press machine. He was moving the weight like 3 or 4 inches and had the nerve to tell me "there's not enough weight in the gym", that upset me because I was trying to do squats and he had all the damn weight!
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You should have invited him to squat with you. But im sure he probably cant squat because he used to do quarter squats and hurt his knees. The first thing anyone who leg presses 1500 lbs should realize if your legs dont resemble tree trunks your doing it wrong. But they never learn or progress its sad to waste all that training time.
 
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