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OTC vs SERM the proof is in the blood

MadmanMike

MadmanMike

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Hi im fairly new to the forums and thought I would share my total testosterone blood results from a OTC pct and SERM pct. For the OTC pct I use erase and nutrex t-up black, my total test was 356.1 normal range is 249-836 so good but not great. Alright for SERM I used Nolva @ 20/20/10/10 and my total test was 684.5 almost double from before, both blood test were about 3 weeks after last dose of pct, and both cycles were P-mag. OTC was for 50mg for 30 days. The serm was for 50/50/75/75/75/75 of P-mag so there you have it, serm is the way to go but a viable OTC will work for a short mild prohormone run.
 
Some have been proven for more mild runs but if u can get a serm y pay a **** load for others
 
I guess some might not want to use a toxic serm, it really was about the same price for the SERM, as the erase and t-up black, about 50 bucks. I definitely noticed a difference with the SERM over OTC. Much faster recovery and i was leaner with the SERM. Im was just sharing my experience everyone is different and will have different experiences.
 
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Thanks guys, its nice to have some science behind all this to see what we are really doing to our bodies.
 
MadmanMike said:
Hi im fairly new to the forums and thought I would share my total testosterone blood results from a OTC pct and SERM pct. For the OTC pct I use erase and nutrex t-up black, my total test was 356.1 normal range is 249-836 so good but not great. Alright for SERM I used Nolva @ 20/20/10/10 and my total test was 684.5 almost double from before, both blood test were about 3 weeks after last dose of pct, and both cycles were P-mag. OTC was for 50mg for 30 days. The serm was for 50/50/75/75/75/75 of P-mag so there you have it, serm is the way to go but a viable OTC will work for a short mild prohormone run.
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Do you also have the levels for LH and FSH and Estrogen?

The OTC products did elevate your natural test levels to 300+ which is proof your HPTA is back online?
Is PMAG a mild PH?

Cheers,
Karl.
 
@ Standon -- I dont know, I imagine if you got the SERM just use it, i used a OTC pct for a very mild run of pmag @ 50/50/50/50 no atrophy just a lil acne, gained about 10 pounds kept 7 after otc pct... What cycle were you thinking of running a low SERM plus OTC pct??
 
I dont know much about 1ad 4ad except they are usually long cycles becuz they take a while to have effect, your using 3 mild ph I think it would be smart to go with a SERM. You could post your cycle and ask for advice but I think most people will say SERM.
 
Good to know.
 
@Karl, I dont have my bloods for the LH and FSH or estradiol...my doctor was mostly concerned with total test and my lipid panel and cholesterol, I wish I knew more back then I would have gotten the right blood work. PMAG is a class 2 prohormone and is considered mild yes.
 
What do you think of Reversitol V2 and Testabolan as a pct for a 30 day cycle of hdrol. Along with that would be some support sups and creatine. Thanks in advance
 
jquanda said:
What do you think of Reversitol V2 and Testabolan as a pct for a 30 day cycle of hdrol. Along with that would be some support sups and creatine. Thanks in advance
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Y would u run a 4 week cycle of hdrol?
 
first time to test the waters. see how my body responds to it. i'm not expecting anything drastic from this. Like i said i'd like to "wiggle" my way into this taking baby steps.
 
When I ran hdrol it took about three full weeks to start to get the effect, hdrol is different from P-mag, i get almost instant gains with p-mag(about 9 days) which is why i ran it for only four weeks, and i ran with OTC becuz i didn't have the knowledge i have now, i would say go for p-mag @ 30 days, if you wanted a short cycle, also i was bulking and it wasn't a clean bulk. Everyone is different, if you decide to go short and with OTC pct please get blood work a month after or so to make sure your fully recovered, otherwise buy two bottles of hdrol, run it @ 75mg a day for 40 days, with a SERM PCT ALONG WITH 3 GRAM DAA everyday and erase. If your not ready then wait and do more research.
 
@ airborne42 hey dude, what do you know of superdrol? Im planning a winter bulk and looking for info, probably 10mg for 42 days maybe 35 days.
 
superdrol is the king of orals sides and gains wise..its not joke make sure your ready people can and do get injured on it but if your ready go for it but imo your better of injecting
 
MadmanMike said:
@ airborne42 hey dude, what do you know of superdrol? Im planning a winter bulk and looking for info, probably 10mg for 42 days maybe 35 days.
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10/20/20/30 BAM!!! ALL KINDS OF MUSCLE!!!
 
Thanks standon, yeah I dont think ill get injured, I usually do light weight high rep on cycle to avoid getting to strong to quick, im not sure if im ready, im also contemplating mechabol for winter bulk but it's new and im now sure how strong it is. I definitely have some research to do, i dont know where to get injectables lol, at least that i trust.
 
@ airborne42 you think ill be able to keep those gains after pct? You dont think it would be easier to maintain if I low dose the super and make slower gains? What about a test base, have you run sdrol before? What did you keep for gains?
 
MadmanMike said:
@ airborne42 you think ill be able to keep those gains after pct? You dont think it would be easier to maintain if I low dose the super and make slower gains? What about a test base, have you run sdrol before? What did you keep for gains?
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Bro I'm king with sd lol yes you would have better chance at holdin gains your way. I ran 20/20/30/30. Ate and trqined like a champ. Gained 25. Proper pct and deload... Kept 22
 
MadmanMike said:
@ airborne42 hey dude, what do you know of superdrol? Im planning a winter bulk and looking for info, probably 10mg for 42 days maybe 35 days.
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That's quite a while to be on sdrol... Usually shorter than that, about 4 Weeks not 5 - 6...
 
Valdez said:
That's quite a while to be on sdrol... Usually shorter than that, about 4 Weeks not 5 - 6...
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It can be like that at low dose bro like 10 ed for 6
 
Airborne42 said:
It can be like that at low dose bro like 10 ed for 6
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I didn't catch the 10mg part...
 
Airborne42 said:
Bro I'm king with sd lol yes you would have better chance at holdin gains your way. I ran 20/20/30/30. Ate and trqined like a champ. Gained 25. Proper pct and deload... Kept 22
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haha alright well you may have sold me then, I'd love to get 20 pounds of muscle, I might go 10/20/20/20 maybe(30) depends on sides, I have like 500 gram taurine, and liv 52, now I need to get a superdrol I can trust, I was thinking m-stane, or FCFM version of superdrol, there's so many clones im not sure which is legit, maybe I shouldn't be cheap and go with CEL... Any thought on brands? Or is this a bad question to ask.
 
MadmanMike said:
haha alright well you may have sold me then, I'd love to get 20 pounds of muscle, I might go 10/20/20/20 maybe(30) depends on sides, I have like 500 gram taurine, and liv 52, now I need to get a superdrol I can trust, I was thinking m-stane, or FCFM version of superdrol, there's so many clones im not sure which is legit, maybe I shouldn't be cheap and go with CEL... Any thought on brands? Or is this a bad question to ask.
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Beastdrol, forced or lgi
 
Thanks Airborne, I'll probably go with beast, not gonna start until August or fall, but I think ill log it, im thinking clomiphene 50/50/25/25 for my serm, along with erase and daa of course. It would appear I hijacked my own thread haha...
 
MadmanMike said:
Thanks Airborne, I'll probably go with beast, not gonna start until August or fall, but I think ill log it, im thinking clomiphene 50/50/25/25 for my serm, along with erase and daa of course. It would appear I hijacked my own thread haha...
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75/50/50/25 ;-)
 
Cool, ill follow that for clomid. So what type of atrophy should I expect? Will my kiwi's turn to chick pea's???
 
MadmanMike said:
Cool, ill follow that for clomid. So what type of atrophy should I expect? Will my kiwi's turn to chick pea's???
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Raisins lmao jk it just depends. Mine didn't much
 
Hahaha, fosho now I just gotta figure out my diet, ill probably post another thread asking questions closer to cycle, when is your next cycle? I appreciate all your help.
 
MadmanMike said:
Hahaha, fosho now I just gotta figure out my diet, ill probably post another thread asking questions closer to cycle, when is your next cycle? I appreciate all your help.
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Couple weeks bruh ha haa
 
Lucky you, I gotta find something to fill the void until I can cycle, how many cycles do you do a year, I get two feb/march then again august/sept give or take a few weeks for recovery and what not. Are you doing a ph/ds or going all out with the real deal?? If it's ok to ask...
 
MadmanMike said:
Lucky you, I gotta find something to fill the void until I can cycle, how many cycles do you do a year, I get two feb/march then again august/sept give or take a few weeks for recovery and what not. Are you doing a ph/ds or going all out with the real deal?? If it's ok to ask...
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The real thing? They are ALL the real thing bro... It's all steroids. I'll be running sd, bold and stano :-)
 
I hear ya, which sd brand you running? Are you logging this symphony of muscle cycle??
 
MadmanMike said:
I hear ya, which sd brand you running? Are you logging this symphony of muscle cycle??
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Forged and hell yes. Hope ur there
 
Yeah man, ill be waiting to sub and comment...any thoughts on d-zine??
 
MadmanMike said:
Yeah man, ill be waiting to sub and comment...any thoughts on d-zine??
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Some like it better than sd. Ima try it eventually
 
Yeah, what do you think of ams 1-ad or 4-ad @ rec dose 8 weeks with the last 4 weeks stacked with sdrol?
 
MadmanMike said:
Yeah, what do you think of ams 1-ad or 4-ad @ rec dose 8 weeks with the last 4 weeks stacked with sdrol?
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As a test base
 
Yeah as a test base and hopefully to help with lethargy, any thoughts?
 
MadmanMike said:
Yeah as a test base and hopefully to help with lethargy, any thoughts?
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It will work for that I'm thinkin on adding it in
 
Excellent, ill let you be the guinea pig before I spend cash on it hahaha...im not sure to go with the 1-ad or the 4-ad? Is it similar to bold?
 
MadmanMike said:
Excellent, ill let you be the guinea pig before I spend cash on it hahaha...im not sure to go with the 1-ad or the 4-ad? Is it similar to bold?
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Lol its dhea
 
oh...oops...but it's a dhea that doesnt convert to estrogen or other hormones i don't want. At least that's the claim. I have a bottle of cel m-mlg would it be ill advised to run it 75/75/75/75/0/0/0/0 and the 4-AD 400/400/400/400/400/400/400/400 and sd 0/0/0/0/10/20/20/20
 
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