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Ostarine Questions

Fit1962 said:
Yes I've considered test, like a TRT dose. Thanks! After ostarine, once I get my test checked to see if there was suppression, I evdn thought about running clomid alone for awhile to see how it might increase test? I've been reading about it, though the sides are mentioned often.
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25-50 mg eod of clomid shouldn't really give you sides.
 
Fit1962 said:
Why does everyone seem to say they feel like **** on clomid? You think that'd be enough to see some test increases?
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Because for the longest time, people assumed that they should dose it @ 100 mg ED for PCT. That is roughly double of what they should have been using.

Also keep in mind, whatever test increase you get from clomid above baseline will still be within physiological ranges, so don't expect gear-like gains.
 
kissdadookie said:
Because for the longest time, people assumed that they should dose it @ 100 mg ED for PCT. That is roughly double of what they should have been using.

Also keep in mind, whatever test increase you get from clomid above baseline will still be within physiological ranges, so don't expect gear-like gains.
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I would like to see my test in the 1000 range which seems pheasible from what I read, doubling of baseline. Surely my muscle mass could increase some with even that higher test?
 
im coming off a tr3st run and bridging osta for a few wks before i do a pct. Would it be beneficial to run a otc pct supplement with the osta before i do my real serm/ai/dermastrength pct.
 
Nitro41 said:
im coming off a tr3st run and bridging osta for a few wks before i do a pct. Would it be beneficial to run a otc pct supplement with the osta before i do my real serm/ai/dermastrength pct.
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What's the point? It's really not going to do much of anything for recovery.
 
kissdadookie said:
What's the point? It's really not going to do much of anything for recovery.
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Figured it might help a little bit, i just got this free offbrand bottle to burn.

Im just trying to stretch this cycle a bit longer til I can commit to a solid PCT....due to travel/workout issues.
 
Nitro41 said:
Ok ill save it for another time. Anything else to aid in a osta bridge? Still stay on formastane?
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Nah, and you're not actually bridging it would appear since you plan on running PCT afterwards, so technically you're just extending the cycle of whatever you were running with the ostarine run.

What did you get from the Tr3st? Saw one log and the person said it didn't do much of anything.
 
Ok sounds good.

I ran my tr3st with dmz. 50mg oral pwo, and 50mg TD

Its savage dude. My goal was to get BIG i put strength on the back burner and juat did crazy pump workouts. I knocked fats down and went from clean bulk to a recomp halfway thru.

Im 13lbs heavier and leaner then ive ever been. My strength did go up some too, especially presses.

Virtually no sides. My plan worked out great.
 
Nitro41 said:
Ok sounds good.

I ran my tr3st with dmz. 50mg oral pwo, and 50mg TD

Its savage dude. My goal was to get BIG i put strength on the back burner and juat did crazy pump workouts. I knocked fats down and went from clean bulk to a recomp halfway thru.

Im 13lbs heavier and leaner then ive ever been. My strength did go up some too, especially presses.

Virtually no sides. My plan worked out great.
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So would that be mostly DMZ effects or a combo of both?
 
kissdadookie said:
Not really, it's not linear progression with test levels and gains.
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But we do know that men who are naturally more muscular also have naturally higher test levels? Isn't it true that the only gains you will ever keep are gains that can be made at natural test levels? Otherwise when you come off you'll eventually shrink back to what your test levels will naturally support? Am I off?
 
kissdadookie said:
So would that be mostly DMZ effects or a combo of both?
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No idea. Its my first time with both compounds, but for surr can feel the oral trest kick in. Then ON feeling and pumps is 2nd to none on oral trest. Kicks in after 25minutes, and you better be near a gym, becausd i get aggressive on it.
 
Fit1962 said:
But we do know that men who are naturally more muscular also have naturally higher test levels? Isn't it true that the only gains you will ever keep are gains that can be made at natural test levels? Otherwise when you come off you'll eventually shrink back to what your test levels will naturally support? Am I off?
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Most of the shrinkage is due not to loss of actual muscle tissue when off cycle but because you are no longer able to keep as much water and glycogen stored in muscle.

If going by your theory of test levels, especially in physiological ranges, there shouldn't be so many beasts walking around with ~400-500 test levels.

It's not a linear correlation. If you are below baseline, you're going to hold on to a lot less muscle than the guy at physiological normal ranges. However, within that physiological range, the response is pretty much flat, then when you hit super physiological levels, you get another more acute muscle mass accumulation.
 
Nitro41 said:
im coming off a tr3st run and bridging osta for a few wks before i do a pct. Would it be beneficial to run a otc pct supplement with the osta before i do my real serm/ai/dermastrength pct.
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Curious how that treats you. I would have ran the Osta first. I'm just curious how the gains from Trest will hold going to a weaker product while your hormones are already tanked.
 
my bloodwork right after finishing ostarine, fsh and lh where normal, and stayed the same the 4 following bloodtests.

at week 4 libido tanked for me too, not l du to low test alone, it ended up on the lower range 14(8-35) but one week later, it was up to 31(8-35)
what made my libido shot for about 2-3 weeks, was prolactin levels double the max limit.
High test levels and high E2 levels kinda go hand in hand, and as soon as my prolactin came down, libido was great even though E2 was a bit above max...
I have come to the conclusion, for libido, prolactin plays a big role

Also, no realy gains after 4 weeks (I stupidly stayed on for 4 more weeks) If I had used ostarine for 4 weeks, I`d probably recover quicker, and found it okish...
 
Thanks for the short review. I don't know, how the prolactine could rise - it's normally not affected by the Ostarine...
I also finished my S4 + Osta cycle. All values were a bit under pressure, liver value was 14 units over the medical max range (not dramatic). I'm using now Damage Control from LGI, that should recover fast.
I honestly didn't test estrogen and prolactin levels, but LH is a bit decreased (by 0.7 units). Could be affected by the S4.

Was 11 weeks on Osta, recovery was still insane in the last week. But as you say woodbear, the gains were not that big anymore as in the first five/six weeks.

These two substances together were definately impressive. My weight changed from 84kg to 88kg (at a height of 178cm). Bodyfat was with 16% nearly the same as before (that means, of this 4kg I also made more than a half kilo of fat).
It was odd to see impoved vascularity, despite of that high body fat ratio. That was for sure the S4, which dried out the skin probably.

I can recommend S4 for two main conditions:
- body fat is low: this is, where the S4 has probably the strongest benefit. It acts - for my opinions - a bit like stanozolol.
- the aim is strength: under S4 the strength improved extremely. Mabye for a powerlifter a good choice.
 
woodbear said:
my bloodwork right after finishing ostarine, fsh and lh where normal, and stayed the same the 4 following bloodtests.

at week 4 libido tanked for me too, not l du to low test alone, it ended up on the lower range 14(8-35) but one week later, it was up to 31(8-35)
what made my libido shot for about 2-3 weeks, was prolactin levels double the max limit.
High test levels and high E2 levels kinda go hand in hand, and as soon as my prolactin came down, libido was great even though E2 was a bit above max...
I have come to the conclusion, for libido, prolactin plays a big role

Also, no realy gains after 4 weeks (I stupidly stayed on for 4 more weeks) If I had used ostarine for 4 weeks, I`d probably recover quicker, and found it okish...
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That is very interesting to me as I encountered some prolactin issues after my last osta run.
 
woodbear said:
my bloodwork right after finishing ostarine, fsh and lh where normal, and stayed the same the 4 following bloodtests.

at week 4 libido tanked for me too, not l du to low test alone, it ended up on the lower range 14(8-35) but one week later, it was up to 31(8-35)
what made my libido shot for about 2-3 weeks, was prolactin levels double the max limit.
High test levels and high E2 levels kinda go hand in hand, and as soon as my prolactin came down, libido was great even though E2 was a bit above max...
I have come to the conclusion, for libido, prolactin plays a big role

Also, no realy gains after 4 weeks (I stupidly stayed on for 4 more weeks) If I had used ostarine for 4 weeks, I`d probably recover quicker, and found it okish...
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Yeah. I decided another 4 weeks after the first 4 wasn't worth it. 1-dhea + 4-dhea I started right after the ostarine is great though. Strength really started climbing, nice recomp effect.
 
Today has been 6 weeks on ostarine 15mg. I'm up one pound! Lol hard to tell if I've lost body fat though I know I haven't gained any. I had one of the biggest guys in the gym tell me last week my arms looked bigger! Score!! Lol I feel no adverse sides. I had all intentions of stopping today but with the holidays I don't have time for blood work so I think I will push to 8 weeks and then have bloods done.
 
i kinda regretted doing bloods right after the cycle... it lead me to pay roughly 300usd for a mri for no reason just to check for prolactinoma... so if I ever bother with my halodrol, which i have a few bottles of, I will just do regular pct, and go by feel rather than bloodwork. But I guess, I`m not doing anything like that again.
Sticking to legals estrogen blockers, since I have alot of estrogen, they tend to work very well for me.
And more ARA... that stuff beat osta hands down! Actually my strength gains on ARA ( x factor) where better than any anabolic for me.
 
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woodbear said:
i kinda regretted doing bloods right after the cycle... it lead me to pay roughly 300usd for a mri for no reason just to check for prolactinoma... so if I ever bother with my halodrol, which i have a few bottles of, I will just do regular pct, and go by feel rather than bloodwork. But I guess, I`m not doing anything like that again.
Sticking to legals estrogen blockers, since I have alot of estrogen, they tend to work very well for me.
And more ARA... that stuff beat osta hands down! Actually my strength gains on ARA ( x factor) where better than any anabolic for me.
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Estrogen blockers?
Ara?
 
woodbear said:
i kinda regretted doing bloods right after the cycle... it lead me to pay roughly 300usd for a mri for no reason just to check for prolactinoma... so if I ever bother with my halodrol, which i have a few bottles of, I will just do regular pct, and go by feel rather than bloodwork. But I guess, I`m not doing anything like that again.
Sticking to legals estrogen blockers, since I have alot of estrogen, they tend to work very well for me.
And more ARA... that stuff beat osta hands down! Actually my strength gains on ARA ( x factor) where better than any anabolic for me.
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Uhm, that's your fault for not being smart about bloodwork. It's about $70. No clue why you opted to go the super expensive route.

Curious, what crappy androgens were you using that gave you less gains than ArA? Lulz.
 
The mri cost more, because i paid for a private clinic to do it, instead of waiting 6 months for public healthcare where i live.. Yup, stupid.. but the bloodwork was like 10 usd where i live
 
Blood work doesn't always mean much if you don't have PRE cycle blood work to compare.

Who the hell knows why you had high prolactin...
 
I m tired of this , i had pre cycle blood work.. But all this has been explained in the start of this thread.
I never had high prolactin ever before ostarine.. And it went away about 6 -8 weeks after.. Would have stopped it earlier, if i had l dopa for pct..
 
Fit1962 said:
Why does everyone seem to say they feel like **** on clomid? You think that'd be enough to see some test increases?[/QUOTE

I feel horrible even on 12.5mg a couple times a week. Coincidentally, this is all it takes to see the positives as well. I think taking 50-100 mg ed or eod would make me want to kill myself lol.
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anabolix said:
Fit1962 said:
Why does everyone seem to say they feel like **** on clomid? You think that'd be enough to see some test increases?[/QUOTE

I feel horrible even on 12.5mg a couple times a week. Coincidentally, this is all it takes to see the positives as well. I think taking 50-100 mg ed or eod would make me want to kill myself lol.
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When I'm finished with this ostarine. I want to try clomid alone as a trt cycle.
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Fit1962 said:
The Engineer said:
Why not try a low dose clomid?
I don't need trt with a test at 575, I would just like a little boost? Why would it be more risky than ostarine or any other supp that effects hormones? Honestly asking.
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A little boost will do diddly squat for anabolism. Even if you go up to let's day, 700-800 range, it's going to do diddly squat because the anabolism to test levels relationship isn't much of a linear relationship. It has more to do with thresholds. Below normal threshold and you will not be able to put on or maintain lean mass very well, super physiological levels (nothing within baseline range) and you will see a big increase in anabolism, from low baseline to high baseline, it's mostly going to be the same.
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kissdadookie said:
Fit1962 said:
A little boost will do diddly squat for anabolism. Even if you go up to let's day, 700-800 range, it's going to do diddly squat because the anabolism to test levels relationship isn't much of a linear relationship. It has more to do with thresholds. Below normal threshold and you will not be able to put on or maintain lean mass very well, super physiological levels (nothing within baseline range) and you will see a big increase in anabolism, from low baseline to high baseline, it's mostly going to be the same.
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This^^ the difference between say 400 and 1000 is negligible. It's only once you're in the 1500+ range that things really start to have even a noticeable effect
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I hate the idea of IM injections. Call me a bitch but it could go badly. Luckily I'm going to nursing school in the fall though so maybe after schooling I'll feel more comfortable.
 
Pinning is far more idiot proof then people make it out to be. Muscles are much bigger then people think and the pins themselves are so small.
 
booneman77 said:
Pinning is far more idiot proof then people make it out to be. Muscles are much bigger then people think and the pins themselves are so small.
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I've just heard of buddies hitting nerves or getting infections or cysts and it turned me off to the whole idea
 
xhrr said:
I've just heard of buddies hitting nerves or getting infections or cysts and it turned me off to the whole idea
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it's so much more rare then you'd think. The reason you hear about is because it's not the norm. No one talks about the 4738595936263 times nothing went wrong
 
Kutz2 said:
H..dro and ost and good stack?
ost 15\15\15\15\15\15\15\15
Hdrol 50\75\75\75\75\75
Input plz thx
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I wouldn't run that stack, save the osta for another cycle, or use 10mgs in pct
 
Kutz2 said:
Y? I heard for post it just prolongs the natural test from getting back. So let the hdrol do its thing and run it solo. I'd still would appreciate a little explanation on why not to run osta_. Thx
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Hdrol would overshadow any "benefits" of ostarine (like there are any...). Anyway and again, not worth it, but by all means throw your money away if you're convinced it'll work.
 
You also have to remember he ^ is 1 out of every 300 that had a terrible run with Ostarine, deeming it worthless to every person on the planet.
 
Kutz2 said:
Y? I heard for post it just prolongs the natural test from getting back. So let the hdrol do its thing and run it solo. I'd still would appreciate a little explanation on why not to run osta_. Thx
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Nothing wrong with stacking ostarine with another PH/DS. Best times to use it is either as a stacker (benefits are questionable and it's an expensive stacker) and/or as a stand alone bridge into another cycle.
 
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