Swolljaboi
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You will be fine at 20. Enjoy it!
Ostarine Questions
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booneman77
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Yep, good plan here. Just make sure you give some time to recover between cycles and youll be golden
woodbear
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From my weekly bloodwork , for 4 weeks following using ostarine and some 11 andro(which gave no good gains past 4 weeks, but mild shutdown) i
I would use it only for 4 weeks. No 4 week cycle gave so much trouble afterwards
Expect a rise in estrogen and prolactin after use.
A good pct for me, would have been to instantly use arimistane(old erase) or brawn atd. And l dopa.
Me, i d rather use a more powerful pro hormone, to get proper gains, and a proper pct. The mild stuff just messes me up with little gains, and i have now bloodwork to prove it, for me. Same with trenazone, few gains, same need for pct.
L- dopa from analyzed is a kicker. E2 is very low now, so just taking care of prolactin now.
Have a feeling l dopa and viagra together would be insane..
I would use it only for 4 weeks. No 4 week cycle gave so much trouble afterwards
Expect a rise in estrogen and prolactin after use.
A good pct for me, would have been to instantly use arimistane(old erase) or brawn atd. And l dopa.
Me, i d rather use a more powerful pro hormone, to get proper gains, and a proper pct. The mild stuff just messes me up with little gains, and i have now bloodwork to prove it, for me. Same with trenazone, few gains, same need for pct.
L- dopa from analyzed is a kicker. E2 is very low now, so just taking care of prolactin now.
Have a feeling l dopa and viagra together would be insane..
Fit1962
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So you are saying you would not do ostarine again?
Contaygious
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Yeah could not it be from the andro?
woodbear
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I did 8 weeks of ostarine, the 11 andro was week 4 weeks in the middle. It might have compounded something.
Thats why i suggest 4 weeks with ostarine, since it kinda stopped working then
But i feel it is better to use epistane or h drol for 4 weeks instead, for 3 times the gains. I have bloodwork that showed little liver damage, everything was just a bit over midrange. I used no support supps, other than taurine for back pumps... even drank a few beers now and then. ( never more than 2 in one evning)
Thats why i suggest 4 weeks with ostarine, since it kinda stopped working then
But i feel it is better to use epistane or h drol for 4 weeks instead, for 3 times the gains. I have bloodwork that showed little liver damage, everything was just a bit over midrange. I used no support supps, other than taurine for back pumps... even drank a few beers now and then. ( never more than 2 in one evning)
BCseacow83
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IMO there is no reason that ostarine will not be like test in the sense that people get sides that others do not. I am NOT comparing results of the two here at all. What I am saying is that for some low dose of test still require and AI while some take very large amounts and see no E sides. Some take HRT dose and see hematocrit and or BP go through the rood while others take large amounts and have no issues with BP or hematorcirt. As more people take osta you will more than likely see trends emerge but there will always be those that get extreme sides that others rarely encounter. There used to be certain DS that some felt great with and others felt like death after a week. Good news is that from what we know no significant sides that are permanent seem to be occurring and you can try it and see if it is for you.
kissdadookie
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Just take Inhibit-P + an extra 100 mg of P5P. That will mitigate prolactin issues well.
Letro on hand in case of estro issues.
Ostarine is a pretty weak steroid (but not technically one) and has little to no real toxicity issues that I know of or has been noted. So out of the various things you can take, it's a good starting cycle.
SERM for PCT, all OTC stuff you should consider to be nice extras to add in but should not be considered your base.
reps4jesus
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Agreed. Or super dose inhibit p
Fit1962
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So do I need the prolactin items? Or only if gyno shows?
Man lol am I wrong or is this rather expensive?
$65 for ostar1ne
$100+ for letro and clomid
$25 inhibitp
Sorry that I'm sounding like such a in Novice, but I am. And I do appreciate the patience from you guys.
kissdadookie
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Inhibit-P you should run it through the cycle. Better safe than sorry. 1 bottle per month of cycle. Get a bottle of P5P as well, dose it 100 mg a day. That should be under $10 a month. That should take care of prolactin.
blacklac
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Cycles are not cheap, and it's the PCT and cycle support that usually cost most.
I also dont see a need for taking support supplements while on Ostarine, like some do. Not that my opinion on that wont ever change, I just haven't seen the need for an AI or prolactin control on cycle.
I also dont see a need for taking support supplements while on Ostarine, like some do. Not that my opinion on that wont ever change, I just haven't seen the need for an AI or prolactin control on cycle.
Swolljaboi
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I was lactating after my osta run. Inhibit P took care of it. I never thought to expect prolactin sides from osta.
kissdadookie
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P5P btw I suggest dosing it split 50/50/50. 1 dose from Inhibit-P, 2 doses from the bottle of P5P (they typically come in 60 ct bottles, 50 mg per cap).
Swolljaboi
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The Engineer clear your PMs.
Grayson
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Done.
Fit1962
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Ok guys once again thanks for your patience as I ask and learn.
How does this look?
15mg ED for 6 weeks, to eliminate most sides, and to get an idea of how my body reacts. Il have plenty left from my purchase to run another cycle later.
How would running OL sup3r along with it? Or just as pct?
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How does this look?
15mg ED for 6 weeks, to eliminate most sides, and to get an idea of how my body reacts. Il have plenty left from my purchase to run another cycle later.
How would running OL sup3r along with it? Or just as pct?
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Grayson
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I'm going to be pessimistic, but at 15mg I don't think you'll see much. Research was on 3mg on elderly folk for 12 weeks, and there was a recent paper (can't access it because it's private) in which there was 25mg for 6 weeks.
YMMV, but the most you might see is slightly enhance recovery and smoother joint mobility. I highly doubt you'll gain any muscle like you would if you were dosing it higher -regardless of calories being consumed.
Try 20mg for 6 if anything,
Fit1962
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If I did that, anything needed on cycle? Still looking at pct?
kissdadookie
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Run PCT regardless. Treat it as a steroid cycle. Proper PCT. Low dose clomid should do the trick. Get bloodwork, if you don't get bloodwork, I would run PCT for 8 weeks just to be on the safe side. 50 mg clomid every day for 4 weeks then 25 mg every other day for another 4 (this is without bloodwork, if you get bloods, retest bloods 4 weeks into PCT if initial bloods suggests a PCT is in order).
Grayson
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Nothing on cycle except food
And pct is a must. Just refer back to previous posts or look at my log.
At 6 weeks, you'll still be suppressed. Hell, after 3 days you're suppressed. At your age, I'd get a SERM just to make recovery easier.
I know you said that you're looking to add 3-5lbs of LBM and you want a light PCT. With that said, I'll reverse what I said on 15mg: You can do 15mg for 8 weeks, but with that I'd also look into mk-677. It's another SARM, but it's an oral GH secretagogue. You'll be able to add lean mass with this stack while keeping your ostarine dose low.
Recovery is pretty intense with mk-677. It will also make you hungry.
Increased recovery + appetite = gains.
Quads_of_Stee
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So general consensus is to run clomid for serm pct just to be safe but not necessarily needed?
I just bought some clen and clomid for cheap as **** and figured might as well go clomid if I am going to run a SARM
I just bought some clen and clomid for cheap as **** and figured might as well go clomid if I am going to run a SARM
Kendal07
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I run clomid after my first ostarine cycle, which was 15 mg ed for 6 weeks. My testesteron level had been 16, normal range 8-29, prior to this cycle. 4 weeks after pct my testesterone was 18.5. My liver enzymes was normal too,44 (10-50).
I am on second ostarine cycle 20mg ed for 8 weeks. So I am 10 years younger you I think a serm should be a must after ostarine cycle since our bodies are young to recover fast, I believe clomid does this job perfectly because whilst I was on clomid my strength did not diminish but increased.
I am on second ostarine cycle 20mg ed for 8 weeks. So I am 10 years younger you I think a serm should be a must after ostarine cycle since our bodies are young to recover fast, I believe clomid does this job perfectly because whilst I was on clomid my strength did not diminish but increased.
Quads_of_Stee
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Also quick question. I have some pubertal gyno (prolactin based) only in one nip. Should I keep inhibit-p on hand, or take it on cycle? I am going to take it pct just to be safe but should I just moniter it while taking osta
Grayson
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I'd start taking it one week before the osta cycle and run it through pct just to be safe. If anything, pick up some prami.
kissdadookie
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L
Who's to know if it's not needed? Practically everybody that claimed no suppression had not bloods to base it off of and just going by "feel," lol.
Who's to know if it's not needed? Practically everybody that claimed no suppression had not bloods to base it off of and just going by "feel," lol.
booneman77
Legend
continue both. Nolva had some anti e properties but if you're having trouble you need a real ai.
Quads_of_Stee
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thats why I said general consensus and not "what the scientific data says"
Fit1962
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What were your results after 6 weeks at 15mg? That's what I was considering. Muscle gain? Fat loss? Strength?
Kendal07
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In a nutshell I loved it, strength went up 50% ish in bench press, lateral side rises, and tricep push down as well. I gained 6 pounds LBM and I can say I hold 5 pounds 4 months after first cycle. Fat loss was not my priority at that time , however, my abs become more visible. So after fist cycle I decide to it again, this time I am using ostar1ne OL, in first cycle I used RC and test was horrible. OL one is better in that sense.
kissdadookie
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You increased bench by 50%?
Kendal07
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My bench was 70 kg 6 rep max I did 90 kg 6 reps but I did not push it harder. Tricep push down went up more than 50% though.
Fit1962
Member
Great! I ordered OL ostar1ine, and will do the exact same cycle as you 15mg for 6 weeks
kissdadookie
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I'm certain that the ostarine helped but it sounds like a lot of the gains were also from beginner gains, IMO you should have stayed natty for just a bit longer first
kissdadookie
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Oy vey.
Inhibit-P, 2 bottles (you'll have half a bottle left, you can use it through PCT)
Bottle of cheap as heck P5P in 50 mg capsules
Letro just in case
Clomid for PCT
Done. Cheap, easy, effective.
Fit1962
Member
Lol! Sorry! I think I've got it!
I assume we can't talk vendors, but where would be the best place yet most inexpensive to get clomid and letro? I looked at a place like AG, but $100 for both? That fair?
Grayson
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Sleep, diet and training will keep ostarine "in check."
Sorry to sound like an ass, but you're purposed cycle is very light, so anything else and you're just wasting money.
Real chems/rx ancillaries will help, but you obviously don't want to go that route, hence the light cycle.
Formestane will help with the occasional estrogen bloat (actually employed this last night), but that's really it.
Kiss is correct with using b6, but if you experience real prolactin issues you're going to need prami or rx caber. A SERM will be needed regardless of cycle length and you might want an ai like exemestane for the last week of pct.
Personally, at your age you can just run oral or td trestolone. It'll make you feel like you're 18. That's what I would do at least.
Fit1962
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Hey man, you're not being an ass! I appreciate the comments. I'm belaboring this thread, but just trying to wrap my head around it all, so all advice is helpful.
kissdadookie
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Eventually, if you're going to do it, you're going to jump into the water. There is no toe dipping into such things I'm afraid
Fit1962
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Eventually, if you're going to do it, you're going to jump into the water. There is no toe dipping into such things I'm afraid
Yeah finances are my biggest issue right now. I've been unemployed for 3.5 months, so every dollar counts and that's why I'm penny pinching the extras. Otherwise I would just buy it all and be done with it.
kissdadookie
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IMO, leave your cycle for a time when you have a more steady stream of funds. Food bill alone is going to be a headache if you're trying to gain. The drugs will not help that situation
Grayson
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Seriously. Each bag of pasta costs me 1.50-2 and chicken is 5.50 per pound.IMO, leave your cycle for a time when you have a more steady stream of funds. Food bill alone is going to be a headache if you're trying to gain. The drugs will not help that situation
Gaining drains you harder than a Vegas prostitute.
kissdadookie
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"I'm not poor, I'm just cutting!"